Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

[ToneBob]

Maybe the fine crushed/razorblade, then fill up those cheap capsule you can get. Maybe that would help with tossin em down the hatch and getting a good instant release. I recall years ago reading they were going to do some sort of pepper trick/make it burn like a mofo.
But I haven't tried regular oc's since I crushed a big sack of em and had a great day and a half. I mixed 2 grams of coke, 1 gram meth, and 1 oc 80, 15 oc 40, and 7 oc 10. All in a ziplock inside another ziplock, then I took a hammer to em for a good 5 mins, that was a great time.

 

[Nikolai]

Probably the standard prescribing habit for OC. 1 tab BID. 60 tabs and at that price I would assume 80's. Unfortunately, for people who don't have good insurance OC is ungodly expensive. Depending on the pharmacy, a cash-price for 60 80mg's is between 1600 - 1800.

This is coming from someone who filled prescriptions

If thats true that is absolutely outrageous, thats over $25 per pill? A couple years ago I got a script of the old Perdue OC 80's and the price was nowhere near that, but these are a different pill. That even puts Oxycontin at double the price of Opana. A 40mg' Opana ER will generally run at about $12-13 per pill while the 10mg IR's will run at around $7 per pill. My opana scripts are in the thousands every month. If those prices are right and I were to switch from Opana to the equivalent in OC the scripts would be approaching $10,000 per month.

 

[svacheme3]

It's $12-15/80 at the pharmacies; I'm prescribed 120.

Back on topic,
Can anyone speak as to the effects of an acidic solution on oxy? Would simply creating an acidic solution and soaking for 24 hours extract as much as the stomach, or simply not work, or even destroy the drug?

 

[Crake]

Any Canadians here know if this new formula is coming to Canada?

I bought an 80 just yesterday and it broke down normally, and had the usual imprints of 80/CDN. I live about 2 hours from Detroit. I haven't heard anything about the new ones coming here, but I also haven't asked anyone so...

 

[TerminalIsland]

The new Oxycontin is filed as a new drug with the FDA, while using the same trade name "Oxycontin". For it to be sold in Canada will require Canadian Health approval which should not be too hard because it is already FDA approved. The factor is the length of patents and generic competition in Canada *replace canada with your country name*

Purdue Pharma is a privately held company, so besides their tax returns, you will not learn much about their inner workings, as compared to a public company.

An interesting thing I have read; the "OP" pills do not work as well as the "OC", when swallowed, so says regular pain patients.

My theory, OC's were RX'd 3 times a day after sometime, because doctors learned they were really only effective for 8 hours. This caused a big stir, because of the cost, and that OC is advertised as a "12 hour" medication. This practice caused allot of issues with Medi-Care and state programs. So the absorption on these pills is more than likely much longer than the previous, even when taken "correctly".

There will be no generics, especially since July 1, 2010 is essentially their "New Drug" filing date, so you may be waiting some time for generic, more than likely never.

 

[SiLAK]

sooo... what about smoking them? are they still OK to smoke?

 

[sweetstufflover]

Smoking OC is just as dumb as shooting pills without a micron filter.

I don't think that they can be smoked. The oxycodone is "caged" inside the polymer that gels up with water. You'd have to soak the OP in water, then blend it a lot, then you release the oxycodone into the water. Someone already posted this here.

You can be sure that some smart guys will release a method for defeating the time release matrix, by extracting the oxycodone. It won't be a mainstream method, but an advanced extraction - but as simple as possible. The guys on wetdreams are some really intelligent bastards (some of them), and there already is a thread for defeating the new OC time release matrix.

Some guys will be able to perform the extraction. You'll need some chemicals like non-polar solvents (chloroform, petroleum a.k.a. "kerosene" in the English language, toluene, xylene...; one of them will do the job, someone will have to find out which one) and polar solvents (water, some alcohols...), acids (hydrochloric acid, sulphuric acid), bases (ammonia etc. etc.), a sep funnel, etc.
I'm sure that it's absolutely possible to extract pure oxycodone powder out of the new oxycontin pills.

 

[stacymay30]

try.......



Try using vinegar to break it down instead of water....I think that it will most likely keep it from jelling up and the vinegar wont hurt u. That's what I've always used on pills that gel up.

 

[villian]

sweetstufflover I'm sure you are right and someone will come up with an extraction method, but I think puffj said it best:

But honestly, what made OC so appealing was you got it, crushed it, and did your thing with it. There was no 12 hour waiting period, no complex process involved in extraction, etc etc. Now there is, and that isn't ideal for usage.

Unless purdue brings the old formulation back, or someone releases good generics that are abusable (if a generic company is smart, they'll do this), I think OC is done.

 

[ToneBob]

In response to the over inflation at the pharmacy, after my health insurance was no longer available, my I asked my doctor about cheaper long acting meds, and he started writing me scripts for methadone. In many ways I would say I actually prefer methadone over oc's. Seems to last longer for me, and withdrawls were far less severe. I actually had legit pain and was going through the proper channels, however as in many cases, opiate tend to take over silently and slow, or pretty quick in many cases too.
Something else I was wondering as I read all this OC abusing and all I just have to ask why many aren't happy with the oral dose and buzzing that way? Even just upping the dose, the ride lasts longer. Do people really need to be nodding off to be satisfied? Iunno, I do enjoy the heavy hitting rush of other methods too, but i was still satisfied with an unbroken oral dose.

 

[Knarf]

not in canada

To those wondering these will NOT be coming to Canada due to the fact that titanium dioxide is carcinogenic.

 

[villian]

To those wondering these will NOT be coming to Canada due to the fact that titanium dioxide is carcinogenic.

I'm aware of the fact titanium dioxide is classified as possibly carcinogenic to humans in Canada, but why would that stop Oxycontin from going to Canada?

The original Oxycontin have titanium dioxide in them as well and they were released in Canada.

http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=1679&rot=4

Check the ingredient list at the above link

 

[cryan]

It helps pain patients, because the pills actually WORK properly for once. Better, longer lasting pain relief.

No company makes ANY product without profit in mind (and largely, that's ok.) They've been constantly sued and blamed for addiction, dependence, and deaths associated with having insufficient abuse-protection. Given these facts, it's kind of pointless to get all indignant and self righteous about them largely IMPROVING their product and shielding themselves from further liability.

Just FYI, after reading lots of feedback on pain management websites, a good majority of what I am reading is from a lot of very upset pain management patients who are claiming "these are just as useless as a bottle of motrin".

If I get my hands on any of these before anyone else posts results, I'll mess with them all in different ways described on this board and post results.

I'd imagine they are still chewable (jaw is supposedly strongest in body?) but even so the saliva would turn them into the gel and they'd retain their time release property so it'd be pointless.

 

[Pegasus]

Chill on price talk please...

 

[80mg]

lucky duck!! Lol

Yeah. When you think about it though hes the lucky fuck. Hes spending, what like 150 bucks for his script? Making a fucking killing. With insurance its like 20 fucking dollars. Makes me sick.

Chill on price talk please...

Sorry. But with this issue, its kinda hard not too talk about the prices. It's a effect of these fucking cock sucking OP's. Roxys and old 80s are through the fucking roof.

What mg?

30


And I think were all getting off topic here. The thing we should be focused on is working together too beat this time release bull shit. Heres a theory. What is the inactive ingrediants in MS Contins? Because although I havent tryed slamming the new 80s (because I like not being in the ER) MS's have a simillar thing when put in water. And it's very easily defeated with just boiling and double filtering. I'm sure it's not that easy with the 80s but I have a feeling that boiling is half the battle won. IMO.

 

[Pegasus]

^I know that this is a really big issue and that's why I didn't edit it. I'm just saying, the point has been made, so let's not discuss it anymore...

 

[Jabberwocky]

^I know that this is a really big issue and that's why I didn't edit it. I'm just saying, the point has been made, so let's not discuss it anymore...

this

anymore price discussion and whinging about how they want their old OC's back will be removed.

it's implemented and happening so you're going to have to deal with it and not just harp on about it.

 

[ToneBob]

this

anymore price discussion and whinging about how they want their old OC's back will be removed.

it's implemented and happening so you're going to have to deal with it and not just harp on about it.

very true, not much can be done, and all is off topic from what thread started as.

 

[phr]

Smoking OC is just as dumb as shooting pills without a micron filter.

I don't think that they can be smoked. The oxycodone is "caged" inside the polymer that gels up with water. You'd have to soak the OP in water, then blend it a lot, then you release the oxycodone into the water. Someone already posted this here.

You can smoke them. I can't comment on effectiveness and bioavailability, but it can be done.

That's an interesting question, and I wonder if Purdue tested it out?

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BTW, I got rid of some posts dealing with pricing since my last post in here. Unless you're saying something along the lines of "the new OP 80's cost $10 less than the OC 80's" or something relevant like that prices will be removed.

 

[80mg]

So now that we all got it out of our systems...any thoughts? And what the fuck was that solvent in the study? Any theorys? Or are we all just gonna give up and go too heroin (which i hate)