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Deep thoughts and Introspection

Devo_

Devo_

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It might sound odd to some, but I have never really had any deep meaningful thoughts or any introspection when on psychedelics. I have had my fair share of trips in the past with drugs including 2c-b, 2c-e, 2c-i, shrooms, acid, AMT, DMT (wasn't as potent as I'm guessing it should be), a hell of a lot of ketamine and probably a couple of others somewhere back down the line, but not once have I had any thoughts which have really meant something to me, or stuck with me and made me think differently/more clearly about situations.

The only time I have had what I think could be called "deep thoughts" was the other night when I had psilocybin (first time tripping by myself). I only took 10mg which wasn't enough for a full blown trip, but I had a nice time and when I was watching a tv show then a film, the whole time I was analysing everything that was going on and thinking very hard about what was happening.

Of course I have enjoyed being on psychedelics in the past, whether it be having a good laugh with my mates or tripping absolute bollocks, but I want to get more of them than just some pretty visuals or lots of laughter.

I have noticed that my mindset whilst sober has changed, and I can think more open mindedly about things or think about things from a different perspective a lot more easily, but when I read trip reports of people taking these drugs, they can describe so clearly everything they were thinking and the thoughts/introspection they gained from the trip.

I'm not sure if there is any answer for it, if it's just me or maybe too much ketamine whilst tripping, but I was hoping someone could "help", if that is the right word lol, so any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Devs :>
 
Devo_ said:
The only time I have had what I think could be called "deep thoughts" was the other night when I had psilocybin (first time tripping by myself). I only took 10mg which wasn't enough for a full blown trip, but I had a nice time and when I was watching a tv show then a film, the whole time I was analysing everything that was going on and thinking very hard about what was happening.
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In what settings do you usually trip? With who?
 
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Devo_ said:
It might sound odd to some, but I have never really had any deep meaningful thoughts or any introspection when on psychedelics. I have had my fair share of trips in the past with drugs including 2c-b, 2c-e, 2c-i, shrooms, acid, AMT, DMT (wasn't as potent as I'm guessing it should be), a hell of a lot of ketamine and probably a couple of others somewhere back down the line, but not once have I had any thoughts which have really meant something to me, or stuck with me and made me think differently/more clearly about situations.

The only time I have had what I think could be called "deep thoughts" was the other night when I had psilocybin (first time tripping by myself). I only took 10mg which wasn't enough for a full blown trip, but I had a nice time and when I was watching a tv show then a film, the whole time I was analysing everything that was going on and thinking very hard about what was happening.

Of course I have enjoyed being on psychedelics in the past, whether it be having a good laugh with my mates or tripping absolute bollocks, but I want to get more of them than just some pretty visuals or lots of laughter.

I have noticed that my mindset whilst sober has changed, and I can think more open mindedly about things or think about things from a different perspective a lot more easily, but when I read trip reports of people taking these drugs, they can describe so clearly everything they were thinking and the thoughts/introspection they gained from the trip.

I'm not sure if there is any answer for it, if it's just me or maybe too much ketamine whilst tripping, but I was hoping someone could "help", if that is the right word lol, so any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Devs :>
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It could be the K involved there,do you use to mix K with other psychedelics while tripping?Even tho i find K to be a good tool for self introspection and analasys,it can put you sometimes in a self-centered universe where your ego takes over anything else rejecting other meaningfull information you could receive from the outside world,that goes even beyond self analysis or introspection
 
inkash said:
It could be the K involved there,do you use to mix K with other psychedelics while tripping?Even tho i find K to be a good tool for self introspection and analasys,it can put you sometimes in a self-centered universe where your ego takes over anything else rejecting other meaningfull information you could receive from the outside world,that goes even beyond self analysis or introspection
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Yes I use it to get more visuals and try to enhance the trip. Like you say it could be the ket which stops me getting any insights or maybe even makes me forget what I was thinking. I've never really thought about it that way before so next time I trip I might save the ketamine for later on in the trip.


pseudononamouse said:
In what settings do you usually trip? With who?
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I usually trip with a small group of friends but have had a couple of trips with just one friend. Usually I am at my friends house but I have had outdoor trips during both daytime and nightime but naturally I don't think that environment would be good for introspection. During the trip with just one friend I tripped more than ever and I think that would've been the perfect time for any insights or meaningful thoughts, but like I said above I took quite a lot of ket lol xD

Ket is just too lovely <3
 
you say that psilocybin trip was the only trip you've had deep introspective thoughts and that was your first trip you had by yourself. so maybe you need to trip solo if you want your trips to go in that direction.

i find im that way too. when im by myself the trips can be anything from self introspection learning more about me to spiritual sometimes almost cosmic transcendent experiences. ive never really had trips like that when i tripped with people though. people kind of distract me and almost keep me grounded to reality in a way so i can never really let go.

group tripping is very fun and serves its purpose. they can either be a huge ass non stop laugh fest or an incredibly fun adventure where we go around exploring places but i never get to to deep. maybe even find some one who wants the same things as you out of a trip and you can be kind of on the same wavelength. psychobable about the unkown with a person in the same mindsate can be very interesting
 
I completely agree! You never have chance to fully examine exactly what is happening to your body or exactly what you are thinking whilst tripping with a group of people. You just have a great time, which is good, but I've done it loads of times and it gets a little repetitive.

I would love to trip by myself a lot more but under my circumstances I can't =/
Hopefully my parents are going away for a few days at the end of this month, so I'm going to take advantage of that and have a nice trip by myself. Probably take some 2c-i with some psilocybin and obviously some ket/weed. But I will be more careful with the ket and save it for towards then end of the trip.
 
the old school LSD psychotherapy model is great for eliciting the more useful side of things like LSD, psilocybin, & some 2c-x's. Short version is get some music, usually classical, headphones, and eye shades. Set up a lengthy playlist, put on headphones, apply eyeshades, relax. There's plenty of more detailed info on erowid.
 
you can use ping pong balls cut in have, with the edges padded, as well I'd bet.

A lot of my most therapeutic trips had absolutely no, or very little, "deep thinking" and racing thoughts type stuff. They were pretty much beyond logical linear thoughts anyway, so everything I took from them was just something very vague and fundamental to my existence here.
 
Cutting ping pong balls up seems uncomfortable. Is there a search term I can use on amazon? I've tried using sleep covers for when people sleep, but that doesn't seem to work too well...
 
if you dont mind me asking, what kind of dosages have tried with the 2C's and tryptamines? that could have something to do with it, as lower dosages are obviously going to leave more room for recreational trips.
 
fractal fountain said:
Wonder if there's a known place I'd be able to procure these eye-shades. It'd be awesome if I could.
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I picked some up at a Walgreens or Rite Aid, or CVS... or whatever pharmacy chain it is near my old apartment, can't remember at the moment. Cost about 5 bucks. I'd imagine the eye covers that people use in tanning beds would work just as well, though i imagine the ones designed for sleeping would be more comfortable.

changerofways said:
if you dont mind me asking, what kind of dosages have tried with the 2C's and tryptamines? that could have something to do with it, as lower dosages are obviously going to leave more room for recreational trips.
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I've found that 4-AcO-DMT works really well for therapeutic type experiences at 25-33mg, but has worked at as low as 18-20. Haven't gone higher than 33 yet. And 2c-e around 18-24mg. Have gone a little higher, but seemed to just increase duration & not so much effects. 2c-d at +40mgs works for some people, but others need twice that amount. 2c-t-2 gets really deep in the 25-30mg range, hadn't got much above 30 yet. 2c-p gets pretty interesting around 9mg, 12mg was substantially different and warrants further investigation i think, its been a bit difficult to work with that one as the duration is so long and i've been a bit busy of late. As for all the dosage info, YMMV of course.
Haven't really found the halogenated 2c-x's useful for this type of thing.
 
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Devo_ said:
It might sound odd to some, but I have never really had any deep meaningful thoughts or any introspection when on psychedelics. I have had my fair share of trips in the past with drugs including 2c-b, 2c-e, 2c-i, shrooms, acid, AMT, DMT (wasn't as potent as I'm guessing it should be), a hell of a lot of ketamine and probably a couple of others somewhere back down the line, but not once have I had any thoughts which have really meant something to me, or stuck with me and made me think differently/more clearly about situations.

The only time I have had what I think could be called "deep thoughts" was the other night when I had psilocybin (first time tripping by myself). I only took 10mg which wasn't enough for a full blown trip, but I had a nice time and when I was watching a tv show then a film, the whole time I was analysing everything that was going on and thinking very hard about what was happening.

Of course I have enjoyed being on psychedelics in the past, whether it be having a good laugh with my mates or tripping absolute bollocks, but I want to get more of them than just some pretty visuals or lots of laughter.

I have noticed that my mindset whilst sober has changed, and I can think more open mindedly about things or think about things from a different perspective a lot more easily, but when I read trip reports of people taking these drugs, they can describe so clearly everything they were thinking and the thoughts/introspection they gained from the trip.

I'm not sure if there is any answer for it, if it's just me or maybe too much ketamine whilst tripping, but I was hoping someone could "help", if that is the right word lol, so any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Devs :>
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trip alone more often
 
changerofways said:
if you dont mind me asking, what kind of dosages have tried with the 2C's and tryptamines? that could have something to do with it, as lower dosages are obviously going to leave more room for recreational trips.
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I'm not too sure about what LSD dosages I've had because it was just on blotter paper. With AMT, I only had around 20mg. With 2c-i the other day I had 30mg, 20mg orally and then two 5mg bumps later on. With 2c-e I've had over 30mg in one night. Not too sure with shrooms either tbh. Thing is with all of these trips I have been with a group of friends so they have been more of the "laugh a lot and have a great time" kind of nights.

I think I am definitely am going to start tripping alone more. Or even with my tripping buddy. Obviously I will still trip with more than one person but I really do want to start getting more out of psychedelics than just giggles.

Also, I did actually notice a good difference whilst wearing sunglasses when I was on MDA and a lot of ket once. The sunglasses were really dark and covered all of my line of vision (if that makes sense) and I was tripping a lot more and was in my own world quite a lot of the time. Whenever I took the glasses off it was like I entered a new world lol. Was pretty cool haha
 
Devo_ said:
It might sound odd to some, but I have never really had any deep meaningful thoughts or any introspection when on psychedelics.
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Have you ever had any deep meaningful thoughts when not tripping? Maybe deep meaningful thoughts are just not your thing. ;)

Sorry, couldnt resist.

You say the first such "deep" experience was when you were tripping alone.

Ummm.... but, duh, CALLING DR. OBVIOUS!

My only truly profound trips have been tripping alone. Takes ALOT more balls. The classic "Vision Quest" is ALWAYS pursued alone. Just you and the world and an unleashed mind. Its the only way to really learn.

Tripping with a group of people is like a baby with its security blanket. You do it because you are afraid of "what might happen", of things that are inside you that might come out and frighten you, so you surround yourself with other people who will be your anchors into ordinary consensus reality.

By doing so you have unconsciously CHOSEN to NOT have any profound experiences.
 
DwayneHoover said:
By doing so you have unconsciously CHOSEN to NOT have any profound experiences.
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Disagree. It's just fun to do it with other people cause doing it alone might feel "useless" (until you actually do it that is).

But yes, definately. At night. Alone. Pitch black is best. Just meditate on psyches and you will likely achieve profound revelations
 
DwayneHoover said:
Have you ever had any deep meaningful thoughts when not tripping? Maybe deep meaningful thoughts are just not your thing. ;)

Sorry, couldnt resist.

You say the first such "deep" experience was when you were tripping alone.

Ummm.... but, duh, CALLING DR. OBVIOUS!
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Even though I've read countless trip reports of people tripping WITH people and still getting these kind of experiences... Even on smaller doses of what I've taken.

No need for the sarcasm mate.
 
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