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The 6-APB thread

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It was not a pellet from an "official" source but rather a capsule. I will post the spectra if my friend gives me permission - otherwise feel free to regard anything I say with skepticism. Marquis reagent and alike will not be useful as there are three different chemicals which will confound the reaction.

Indeed, the analysis was done on a capsule, NOT official pellet.

As seejay33 stated, it would be nice if a chemical ID could be done on one of the pellets, also.

I for one, would not be surprised if these also contained chemicals not stated on the package, but don't get me wrong, i'm neither a fan nor an anti-shill of the O5. I'm just hoping to know what's in them so we can all know what we're taking. Again, due to the added stimulation the pellets provide, a pyrovalerone analoguee would explain this.
But just as a reminder, we're all purely speculating here so we all could be wrong, couldn't we?
 
We're not all speculating...

Your right. Most of us already can make an educated guess that what is in these pellets is NOT 6-APB, and is definitely NOT the same compound as the samples.

Why would a manufacturer ADD ANOTHER chem, as well as 6-APB at more cost to themselves ? I think we will find that the chem in the pellets is exacty what is causing the over-stimulation, nothing more - nothing less.

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Your right. Most of us already can make an educated guess that what is in these pellets is NOT 6-APB, and is definitely NOT the same compound as the samples.

Why would a manufacturer ADD ANOTHER chem, as well as 6-APB at more cost to themselves ? I think we will find that the chem in the pellets is exacty what is causing the over-stimulation, nothing more - nothing less.

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Adding 2 chems only adds more cost if they add extra total active ingredient, the suspicion is that the 2nd chem is used to add extra active effect to compensate for reduced 1st chem. e.g.

1KG Chem 1 £8000
1KG Chem 2 £3000

1 * 100mg Chem 1 pill = 80p
1 * 50mg Chem 1 + 50mg Chem 2 pill = 55p

Based on the pills going out of stock so quickly it is also likely that they could only secure limited amounts of Chem 1. So why not purchase a load of Chem 2 to make your limited Chem 1 supplies spread further. I think enough people have said that the effects of the pills were similar to the samples nad the fact that they marquis test a similar colour to conclude that they at least contain the same mystery chem, with the posibility of other things as well.
 
Lots of people want to be stimmed for 12hours, but they should have that choice.

Those who want a clean A-6PB experience should be able to buy it pure. Capitalist profiteering at work, yet again.

If they done that every site would be selling "best quality " 6-apb...which is why i'm glad they've went down the official pellet route....if only they can sort out the dosage.. yes i know it's going to make big profits for them, but imho it's the only way this drug has any chance of staying legal.
 
If they done that every site would be selling "best quality " 6-apb...
And that is a bad thing? You would prefer 60% filler, 20% advertised ingredient and 20% junk that you didn't want to take?

No thanks.

but imho it's the only way this drug has any chance of staying legal.
The drug isn't going to stay legal, no matter what. At least if it was pure powder we, as users, could buy what we wanted and not some other mystery chemical that keeps us stimulated all night.
 
6-APB Powder Trip Report

Gender: Male
Weight: 85 kg
Set: Suboptimal (havn't slept well?)
Setting: home alone
Experience: approx. 20 psychoactive drugs over 5 years of research including entactogens like MDMA, Methylone, Mephedrone...
Appearance of 6-APB: Tan fluffy powder, very hydroscopic, chloride smell (like swimming pool)
RoA: 6-APB dissolved in approx. 4cl water for oral admin
Reagents test has been performed and posted on a previous post. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8685235&postcount=432

Dose titration
5:00am, t+00: Ingested approx. 1mg 6-APB fir allergy test
t+45min: Nothing. Ingested further 10 mg.
t+1h15min: Nothing.Ingested further 10 mg.
t+1h45min: Nothing but have the urge to pee, so i did. I think i must titrate faster to catch up with renal elimination. Another 10 mg ingested
t+2h: Still nothing. Ingested further 10mg
t+2h30min: Still nothing. Ingested further 20mg. Went to pee. Worries about loosing too much material throug renal elemination
t+2h45min: Slight tingles in the legs, One little wave of euphoria that quickly subsided. Muscle twithes in legs and arms. Ingested further 20mg.
t+3h: Stronger wave of weirdness (no euphoria but memories from my teen-age). Morphing patterns on the wall. HR increased to 108 Bpm with arrhytmias PB: 179/110. Fuck, this is too high. Anxiety, ingestet 1mg Clonazepam. Ingrsted further 20mg 6-APB
t+3h15min: More dysphoric waves, knees brcome purple, want to stop the experiment due to the side effects. BP alarming 185/135. Ingrsted 40 mg Propanolol (beta-blocker), it helps for the heart bpm, but not for the BP. Shit, i should have an alpha blocker instead. Vascoconstriction is really annoying.
t+3h30min: Initiating full counter mesures. Ingested 150ug Clonidine, 400 mg Magnesium, one glass wodka-energy, 2000mg L-arginine and most importantly 25 mg Baclofen. Tried to ingest 2cl GBL but this resulted in instant vomiting all over the table :!. My body strictly refuses GBL after a bad coma experience. Nevermind, i got the Baclofen that does mostly the same.
t+3h45min: Countermeasures were successful, serotonine toxic symtoms have vanished completely. No dysphoric waves, no morphing visuals, knees and BP normalizing. New side effects: intensive sweating at normal body temperature and beginning jaw stiffness.
t+3h50min: Mood brightening, great music appreciation, emphatic mindset and hints of euphoria but only related to real phenomena (f. ex. Inspiration boost from a subject in the news or understanding the psyche and motivation of a certain person, looking at beautiful Objects, a transition in a music track ect.). I notice that euphoria never comes for free with 6-APB.
t+4h30min: Feeling Pretty damn GOOD. Gimme music, wonderful music!. The classic 2manydj's radio soulwax sets are always so perfect for me in this state of mind. I notice not only the emphatogenic element of the high, but also that kinda Sparkle that made MDMA so unique. It is supposed to be related to some HT1a agonism. The effect of this is difficult to explain, but it changes the perception of colors and beauty. One can intuitively perceive, what could be the inner beauty of objects or living beings. Its like an emotional psychedelic tuch. I would even say, that the sparkle is even more present in 6-APB than in MDMA. On the other side, 6-APB seems to lack of any stimulation as opposed to MDMA.
t+5h: Headphones and sunglasses on my head, i go to the shopping mall nearby to buy some papers and especially just to look around.
t+7h: After returning home, i now want to go outside, repair my bike and make a ride in the park. For the energy 100mg Caffeine and 40mg 4-Fluoroamphetamine are ingested. Battery fully charged now, lets go workin. Oups, but not forget the mp3-player, sunglasses and chewing gum. Beeing in the flow and heavenly calm, the bike was repaired in like 10min.
t+7h10min: Lets go for a ride... Arriving at the park, everything was so perfect: The sky and the clouds, the trees, the people. Everything was sooo nice. I did a few turns around the park, i had great energy and sweating was no problem cause of there was a lot of wind. As my missus arrived in the park, we sat down on a bench and started chatting...
t+9h: It is beginning to rain and i feel im coming down now. We return home. I intend to write a TR for BL soon.
t+14h: by now, i have a chilly comedown, nice afterglow and a minor headache. Feeling absolutely fine.

Qualitative comments:
I noticed that 6-APB tends to produce vascoconstriction and really high BP that could lead to a hypertensive crysis. I suspect that these side effects are caused by serotonine intoxication. Other symtoms like
hallucinations, agitation, muscle stiffness or anxiety also correspond to that picture. To solve the issue, there are many meds that cause vascodilatation. Potential counter agents are alpha-blockers, L-arginine, Sildenafil (Viagra), Amylnitride (Poppers). Phisical effort is also very useful, as it accelerates the transformation of L-arginine in NO. NO is used in the whole body to dilate blood vessels. In this case, that happens cause the muscles need more energy from blood vessels, so they have to dilate. But for really getting rid of serotonine intoxication, there is no med is listed in literature (serotonine syndrome). Inspite of this, it was found that Baclofen has a neuroprotective effect in the brains of MDMA treated rats. I Personally found that it does wonders against serotonine intoxication. The same would probably count for GHB, GBL or Phenibut. All are acting in a similar way through GABA-B agonism. Hopefully one time there will be more research on this.
For those who had a bad reaction on 6-APB that was maybe caused by serotonine intoxication, keep in mind that the intoxication symtoms could worsen if:

Endogen dopamine is depleted from bingeing with srong dopaminergic stimulants (Meth, Meph, Cocaine, Speed ect). Endogen Dopamine and Serotonine tend to be in a balance through an autoreceptor mechanism. If Dopamine is absent, more Serotonine will be released and vice-versa.

The man/woman in case has an unhealthy diet. In that case essential amino acids like L-arginine are insufficient to dilate the blood vessels again.

No physical effort is being done during the trip. Maybe some of you know the impression that everything is darkening around you when lying on the couch on a hard tryptamine trip. When you get up and walk araund a little you migt instantly feel fine again.

6-APB imho is EPIC material. If i had to draw a spectrum of entactogens from simply euphoric to complex, rich and challenging, i would it rate like this

simply euphoric-------------------complex, rich, challenging
Mephedrone------Methylone----MDMA------6-APB------AMT

I completely agree with shambles who once said "6-apb is Anti-Mephedrone" =D

If Mephedrone is the BigMac of entactogens, 6-APB would probably be the oister of entactogens. 6-APB is difficult to handle and it will be not be in the taste of a lot of people (especially,may i say it?- THE MEPH-KIDS :p:p=D)

Be safe

<3<3<3 Froggie <3<3<3

sorry for the typos, i am too tired now to overread
 
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@Frog

Fucking excellent report !! Not as experienced as you to know what other drugs will counter effects such as high BP/Bad circulation (I take it thats the purpling knees) but am learning all the time because of reports like this so thanks. Am glad you had what seems to be a fucking awesome time from such a modest dose. Am doing some research of my own right now concerning the "dreaded" Ivory Wave, and reading this has actually given me more stimulation than the fucking drug Im taking !!!

Better go and report, but I think on behalf of all in this thread thanks for an awesome TR.

Peace :)
 
@frog Not sure how useful the report is mate considering you basically necked the entire medicine cabinet when you started coming up but I like your writing style especially this bit-

"t+3h30min: Initiating full counter mesures."

I am definately looking for a way to drop this into conversation at the first opportunity.
 
yeh great report Frogster, probs the best ive ever seen for detail:), so we can safely say 6-apb powder is out there and it does the trick at a dose of 100mg, did ya take a pellet mate and if so how would you compare the two?
 
Does anybody have any info on how long 6-APB can be stored for before it deterioriates? Given how good the pellets supposedly are and the tendency for stock to be unavailable, I'm considering a bulk purchase. Wish I'd done the same with mephedrone actually...
 
^^^ If there really was 100mg put in the pellets I would say it deteriorates drastically within minutes of production.
 
^^^ If there really was 100mg put in the pellets I would say it deteriorates drastically within minutes of production.
Why is that?

*Ok I get your point, but seriously I have heard good reports about it, so if the chemical doesnt decompose too quickly, buying bulk could work out cheaper in the long run.
 
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^^^ Rich people

+1

ChingChing & BlingBling !!!! :)

Although seeing a fair few dealers houses being busted on cop shows - they seem to like living in shitholes and wearing tracky bottoms and white socks !! (No offence meant to any dealers who frequent BL - youre the exception to this "bad" image !!!) Hehe !! :)

Evening Scoob !! Hope youre having a good week. :)
 
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Why is that?

*Ok I get your point, but seriously I have heard good reports about it, so if the chemical doesnt decompose too quickly, buying bulk could work out cheaper in the long run.

There are hints of some decent powder starting to surface so I'm waiting but it's still a guessing game at the moment.
 
^^^ If there really was 100mg put in the pellets I would say it deteriorates drastically within minutes of production.

Haha !! Yes I would strongly agree with that. Thats before taking into account that 2 of my pellets were half the size of the other 2 !!:X

Who says size doesnt matter....:\

Some fucking V not liking my comments on BL and stitching me up on purpose !! :X


@BlueBottle

MrTiHKAL was taking the piss BIG TIME !! :)

*Ok I get your point, but seriously I have heard good reports about it, so if the chemical doesnt decompose too quickly, buying bulk could work out cheaper in the long run.


I havent really ever been bothered about who is a V on here or not - but with 2 posts and immediately advising/ suggesting to "bulk buy" is a bit GAY !! (no offence to HS either :) )

You do have an out - Were you suggesting bulk buying powder or pellets ? If it was pellets I suggest you go and play Hide & Seek - ON YOUR OWN !!! :\

However...Welcome blueb0ttle Greenlighter.... :) Just playing !!

Think I am feeling overly kind in the last 30 minutes due to having had a NON "Im gonna fucking rip off my balls / Kill/Fuck your sister you MF / Skydive off a cliff (Without a Parachute) (R.I.P. Bruvv - :( ) / Forget to switch the oven off before you go on holiday for 2 weeks and come back and switch on the lights...BANG !! (where did that come from :) )etc etc etc....) BATCH of Ivory Wave...

Mmmm...Time has gone quick from 20.50 - Sorry guys Im doing something else also in another thread....Maybe they miss me !!! Haha Doubtful....:(
 
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@frog Not sure how useful the report is mate considering you basically necked the entire medicine cabinet when you started coming up but I like your writing style especially this bit-

"t+3h30min: Initiating full counter mesures."

I am definately looking for a way to drop this into conversation at the first opportunity.

yea, not the best idea to neck such a heap of meds. But considering my BP 185/135 i was (almost) panicing, thinking of cerebral edema ect. I just wantet to get that BP down by any means. But the 6-APB trip was definetly real and did not feel at all like a combo of a bunch of meds. Anyway, there has to be a reason for that side-effects during the come-up. They where real and could be potentially dangerous. Wondering if others have noticed vasoconstricion too.

@Scooby
I was unlucky during the first pellet auction. My order status is still on "pre-order" . So, this one was my first go...
 
.....but I like your writing style especially this bit-

"t+3h30min: Initiating full counter mesures."

I am definately looking for a way to drop this into conversation at the first opportunity.

Originating in The Frogs TR - Haha +1 :)

I guess Frog felt he was at DEFCON 1 8o

Woooaaaah :D This shit is *IMMENSE*. I've had 4 pellets sat in my drawer for the last 2 weeks with no real opportunity to take them. Got me a day off today and thought fuck it it's time to try it. Decided on half of one to be on the safe side. Glad I did phew I think a whole one would def be too much for me (MDMA always gets me munted very easily guess this does too lol). I crushed the half up and necked back with a beer, full come up in 1-2hrs.

Can't believe people have been double dropping these 8o that would fuck me up far too much.

Looking forward to getting some powder and dosing quite low really. Although this catch all legal highs ban they're bringing in may be a real kick in the nuts for us researchers :(

I soooooo wish I had some nitrous right now. Have done nos with most drugs and it combines better with some than others. I can just tell with this is will be absolutely amazing. Def gonna try this combo soon.

Has anyone else done 6-APB with nitrous yet? Very interested in any experiences there

Maybe I'm the only one peaking on this stuff on a Friday afternoon lol. My friends say I'm a secret fiend. Funny thing is I am and it aint no secret ;-)

Also, music sounds amaaazing. Intensifies the rushes almost like nothing I've experienced before

<3 Radiohead

Arghh have to go and meet the girlfriend in 15 mins when she finishes work. Will have to try and not looked high as a kite. Half a pellet or 50mg or whatever's in them seems like a spot on dose for me. Smoking a joint of dank bud intensifies feelings dramatically 8o

Still, Daft Punk ftw!! <3 %)
 
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Great report, makes me want to try it when the powder is readily available and has had a NMR.

Although the warning about poor diet is off-putting - I don't think I've eaten 100gram of protein in the past three months. ;-)
 
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