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Do you think I should quit psychedelics?

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fruni

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First of all I am going to say I love psychedelics.. I have had some of the most amazing trips ever.. But then I made some mistakes in my life and got a little overboard on wanting to be fucked up and then when my life went downhill I just did more drugs, I did a large amount of 2c-e the first time I tried it and had a very powerful trip that completely destroyed me consisting of powerfully real hallucinations and head trips that played on every single one of my deepest fears and anxieties of life and I felt like I could only watch in in a neutral ego-less perspective and then it left me on my ass to think about it, Although I didn't take much of it at the time and I proceeded to do mushrooms very occasionally and pretty much every single trip was bad and I finally stopped earlier this summer after the anxiety attacks I noticed I was getting started turning bad and I felt very.. tripped out all the time so to say. I had very bad mood swings consisting of very bad anxiety and depression at the time, I also think the way I felt about my life played a bit of a role in the depression but the anxiety was just terrible it is honestly the most annoying thing I ever had in my life, and it was the same feeling I got in a bad trip from shrooms and it seems almost identical even with my thinking as well so I think there connected. It is now the end of summer and I haven't used any psychedelics in a while (except for salvia I tried earlier today.. I had fun though) and I feel like I am fixing my life and I have felt mostly normal lately with no depression in a while and rare have I felt an anxiety attack other then a couple times where I knew what triggered it and I was able to control. I am still.. tripped out so to say but now it is just a part of life and I'm used to it.. kinda like what my friend said, going insane is fun for a while.. then it gets boring. I was honestly ready to see a therapist a month or so ago with these crazy mood swings I figured was from my drug use, I dint know if I was insane and I was looking up mental illnesses finding that I could relate in lots of ways. Now it all seems.. better I guess.. In fact I even feel like I came out of this stronger mentally and completely different person although I'm still trying to figure out exactly who. So much has changed over the last year so fast, and now that things seem to be getting back to normal, I was thinking about getting some psychedelics sometime in the near future, wanting to get acid, or mescaline if I could but I doubt I could find it. I feel like I could go into a trip with the right mindset and have an amazing time and maybe even help me think about things.. but I also have to think about this.. what if it brings back my anxiety, although I don't think It would do that because I feel like it was related to the slump in my life and the bad trips I was having and I feel happy with my life right now and I think I will have a great time that will help me if anything. Or maybe it could just encourage me to do more and more again... but I feel like I know what I am getting into now and I know I just cant skip school and be fucked up all the time. I don't know... My personal opinion I think I should at least try it but I don't know if its just the part of me wanting drugs talking..

So do you think I should just stop to prevent insanity? or do you think I learned my lesson.
 
fruni said:
First of all I am going to say I love psychedelics.. I have had some of the most amazing trips ever.. But then I made some mistakes in my life and got a little overboard on wanting to be fucked up and then when my life went downhill I just did more drugs, I did a large amount of 2c-e the first time I tried it and had a very powerful trip that completely destroyed me consisting of powerfully real hallucinations and head trips that played on every single one of my deepest fears and anxieties of life and I felt like I could only watch in in a neutral ego-less perspective and then it left me on my ass to think about it, Although I didn't take much of it at the time and I proceeded to do mushrooms very occasionally and pretty much every single trip was bad and I finally stopped earlier this summer after the anxiety attacks I noticed I was getting started turning bad and I felt very.. tripped out all the time so to say. I had very bad mood swings consisting of very bad anxiety and depression at the time, I also think the way I felt about my life played a bit of a role in the depression but the anxiety was just terrible it is honestly the most annoying thing I ever had in my life, and it was the same feeling I got in a bad trip from shrooms and it seems almost identical even with my thinking as well so I think there connected. It is now the end of summer and I haven't used any psychedelics in a while (except for salvia I tried earlier today.. I had fun though) and I feel like I am fixing my life and I have felt mostly normal lately with no depression in a while and rare have I felt an anxiety attack other then a couple times where I knew what triggered it and I was able to control. I am still.. tripped out so to say but now it is just a part of life and I'm used to it.. kinda like what my friend said, going insane is fun for a while.. then it gets boring. I was honestly ready to see a therapist a month or so ago with these crazy mood swings I figured was from my drug use, I dint know if I was insane and I was looking up mental illnesses finding that I could relate in lots of ways. Now it all seems.. better I guess.. In fact I even feel like I came out of this stronger mentally and completely different person although I'm still trying to figure out exactly who. So much has changed over the last year so fast, and now that things seem to be getting back to normal, I was thinking about getting some psychedelics sometime in the near future, wanting to get acid, or mescaline if I could but I doubt I could find it. I feel like I could go into a trip with the right mindset and have an amazing time and maybe even help me think about things.. but I also have to think about this.. what if it brings back my anxiety, although I don't think It would do that because I feel like it was related to the slump in my life and the bad trips I was having and I feel happy with my life right now and I think I will have a great time that will help me if anything. Or maybe it could just encourage me to do more and more again... but I feel like I know what I am getting into now and I know I just cant skip school and be fucked up all the time. I don't know... My personal opinion I think I should at least try it but I don't know if its just the part of me wanting drugs talking..

So do you think I should just stop to prevent insanity? or do you think I learned my lesson.
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Stop.

God, please, stop.
 
Stop, at least for a while..

One must only use psychedelics when in a nice mood, to get even better. But one must also be prepared for the dark road.It would be stupid or maybe naive, IMO, to do psychedelics to get better from a depressed mind..

Sounds on me like you want to forget your reality, not alter your perception of it?

If you feel like using psychedelics(for the right reasons of course and in a allready nice state of mind), just go ahead and do it :)

//blazR
 
Yeah stop at least until the dust settles, and believe me that can take a significant amount of time, probably years. After that (its too early to even think about it now) you will know if stability, peace and internal quietness returns to you and you enjoy enough things naturally. And then you might not even have interest to trip anymore, or if you do it will be a special thing you plan ahead - make sure everything is right in terms of set and setting. But at this point it sounds like its better to use nothing at all!

Stop tripping, and oh yeah, start using paragraphs. Don't worry that they're addictive :)
 
blazR said:
Stop, at least for a while..

One must only use psychedelics when in a nice mood, to get even better. But one must also be prepared for the dark road.It would be stupid or maybe naive, IMO, to do psychedelics to get better from a depressed mind..

Sounds on me like you want to forget your reality, not alter your perception of it?

If you feel like using psychedelics(for the right reasons of course and in a allready nice state of mind), just go ahead and do it :)

//blazR
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I couldn't agree more. Psychedelics can be and probably are the most powerful tool humanity has for progress and growth in terms of our perception. This means, however, that they can be very dangerous when misused. They are not drugs that can serve as a crutch (if they actually are any that can!) because essentially, psychedelic comes from the greek phrase "mind-expanding." if you are taking something that opens your mind, therefore granting insight, it can be beneficial insight. but as you've seen, when grounded in an unstable mental set, it may not be. so maybe lay off until you've achieved some mental peace, let the tides calm, and play it by ear. Don't embark on a psychological journey until you have a nice place to journey to ;)
 
Anything that makes you write a long essay like that without any decent paragraphing, is something you ought to STOP.
 
you woke up during that trip, you can no longer live in ignorance. that is why you have bad trips. try giving it a break for a few years unitl you get a grip on reality, take some tranqs and chill.
 
You should consider fixing the problems that the psyches have made you witness and realize, before you take anymore. They helped you fond your fears and anxieties for a reason, and you won't be able to evolve yourself any furthur until you deal with it all.

You will know when the time is right, if you respect both your life and psychs seriously.
 
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If I were you, I'd give a half a year break and simply focus on yourself (doing activities that are fun that don't involve drugs, focusing on work/school, meeting friends who don't do drugs, whatever floats your boat), and then try a low-dose psych trip again, and see how you feel. If you feel like you had a good trip afterwards, slowly begin to move up again, but otherwise I'd see a doctor just in-case, as drugs can bring-worth pre-exisiting medical issues that you didn't know were there.
 
i'd personally stop while you're ahead of yourself, and are slowly getting a grip on reality again. Having to ask generally means you know the answer but need reasuring. You'll know when it's right.
 
when i notice myself getting fucked up too often and it's not helping me to move out of my funk, i try to go hiking more often and do drugs less often. Being in the woods instantly gives me a sense of relief from anxiety, and the hiking (or any exercise) helps improve my mood and burn off extra anxiety. plus it gives you lots of time to think things over.
 
i wouldn't, but everyone is different.

Alexander Shulgen is like 90 and he has tripped hard his whole life. He still is making chemicals and is very functional.
 
Yes u should stop and take a long break or hiatus from psychedelic drugs.

Most people who use psychedelics do not take them very frequently, every weekend/daily, or nonstop. As for the Shulgins haters are gonna hate but I do not believe that they took all of the chems that they made or came into contact with. I'm not saying they didn't take a lot or some.
 
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Shulgin collected reports from loads of people. He didn't take all those chemicals several times over himself. I'm sure he tripped a lot by most peoples' standards but a good number - maybe even a majority - of reports in TIHKAL and PIHKAL are not first-hand.


OP: I would wait a little longer to make sure you've got your shit together, then if you decide you want to try psychedelics again, try a low-moderate dose of one you're familiar with, and have a sitter present. Psychedelics can definitely help work through problems like this, but (especially if overuse of psychedelics contributed to the problem in the first place) they can also make things worse, at least in the short term, so you should be absolutely sure you're fully on your feet and can deal with the possibility of a difficult experience as well as maintaining self-control in terms of frequency of use if you have a great experience.
 
solistus said:
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Shulgin collected reports from loads of people. He didn't take all those chemicals several times over himself. I'm sure he tripped a lot by most peoples' standards but a good number - maybe even a majority - of reports in TIHKAL and PIHKAL are not first-hand.
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Thanks for clarifying. That's what I was trying to say in my post.

Bad trips do happen and psychedelics aren't for everyone.

Don't feel bad OP a friend of mine was big into both LSD and smoking herb and he does not do any of that now at all, and he only trips on shrooms maybe a few times a year and doesn't even drink or use other drugs at all anymore.
 
Psychedelics can obviously bring to the forefront any issues you may be having with any aspect of your life. Once you've got those straightened out, you shouldn't have much to worry about in the bad trip department. When in doubt, probably best to avoid though
 
mfhipp said:
Alexander Shulgen is like 90 and he has tripped hard his whole life. He still is making chemicals and is very functional.
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It's not how long you continue doing it, it's how much and hard you have done it in a certain amount of time, or better yet a certain amount of life. If you live at a certain pace you integrate the experiences as you should. That has to be what Shulgin has done since the start, plus he is on the conservative side with dosing by many Bluelighters' standards.
 
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