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Izzdann

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So how come when you roll, if you eat another pill while still rolling it brings you back up ..but once you're down all the way and try to eat another it does nothing?
 
I suggest you read the Basics part of The Directory where you will lkearn all about mdma and how it works and lots lots more.
 
Its all good, its just that the answers are probably better explained there. Feel free to ask as many questions as you wish.
 
Izzdann said:
So how come when you roll, if you eat another pill while still rolling it brings you back up ..but once you're down all the way and try to eat another it does nothing?
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Correct. The first time (and only time) I did molly, I wanted to come back home so badly that I probably ate another 150mgs after I came down, but it didn't do a single thing. I believe there's a two hour window from when you start feeling things to redose or the extra dosage won't make you feel any different (except for maybe the bad aftereffects).
 
Once your roll is all the way down... its damn near next to impossible to get it back up... I tried one too many times to know its impossible... NOW with that said.. you can re-dose every hour or so... but in the end you just feel numb and its still a waste in my eyes.
 
I think 2 hours is a bit short to describe the window. I would say you've got 3 hours from the time your first one starts to hit (an hour from your first swallow) if you dose right IMHO.

I usually dose 1 every hour until I'm so floored I can't take another (i.e. would probably make me puke it right out)

If my tolerance is high, I've found it best to dose 1 the first hour, 2 the second, 1 the third, then 1 or 2 the fourth (which is 3 hours after your first swallow)...5 pills total. If my tolerance is low, I can keep myself at a peak for 5 or 6 hours with Molly.

And that's not to mention if you mix MDMA and MDA...now you can blast off for 8 - 10 hours easy since there's no cross tolerance.
 
You have a bottle of water - you pour half out, you pour the other half out - erm bottle is empty so no matter how much you try and pour nothing is going to happen until you let the bottle fill up again.

That’s a very basic analogy of your brain, serotonin and your brain. (In this instance it takes a month or two before your bottle/brain is refilled)
 
georgewc2001 said:
I think 2 hours is a bit short to describe the window. I would say you've got 3 hours from the time your first one starts to hit (an hour from your first swallow) if you dose right IMHO.

I usually dose 1 every hour until I'm so floored I can't take another (i.e. would probably make me puke it right out)

If my tolerance is high, I've found it best to dose 1 the first hour, 2 the second, 1 the third, then 1 or 2 the fourth (which is 3 hours after your first swallow)...5 pills total. If my tolerance is low, I can keep myself at a peak for 5 or 6 hours with Molly.

And that's not to mention if you mix MDMA and MDA...now you can blast off for 8 - 10 hours easy since there's no cross tolerance.
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MDA and MDMA do have cross tolerance - MDMA converts into MDA in your body.
 
Bearlove said:
MDA and MDMA do have cross tolerance - MDMA converts into MDA in your body.
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I might have phrased it incorrectly, but are you sure about that? I remember in my reading that if you take all MDMA one night, you can still take MDA the next night and have a much stronger roll than if you were to try to roll on MDMA again or vice versa.

In addition, I have tried this but I took the MDMA and MDA all in one night. I took the MDMA first every hour for about 5 hours and then started the MDA every hour for a few hours. Let me say, there was a distinct lasting peak that could in no way be achieved by using either one alone. The roll was at an INTENSE peak for a LONG time.

I'll see if I can find where i read that and post it.
 
Bearlove said:
MDA and MDMA do have cross tolerance - MDMA converts into MDA in your body.
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It converts into many things, MDA is just one of several metabolites of MDMA. HMMA is the metabolite of MDMA generally tested for in urine samples :D

The more you know!! ;)

As for the cross-tolerance, it's most certainly there. Only so much serotonin can recover before the next night. You may be able to roll, but it won't be nearly as great.
 
i didnt read all of the responses carefully but i believe i have my thought put together correctly. it doesnt happen because once the serotonin is depleted from your brain through the first dose it wont make any more. this is why the second dose doesnt do shit. and is also why the comedown is so bad. serotonin is what makes you feel good and once it is all goen you feel like shit whether it be the next morning or the next dose you cant make your body make more of it.
 
AylaV said:
It converts into many things, MDA is just one of several metabolites of MDMA. HMMA is the metabolite of MDMA generally tested for in urine samples :D

The more you know!! ;)

As for the cross-tolerance, it's most certainly there. Only so much serotonin can recover before the next night. You may be able to roll, but it won't be nearly as great.
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If MDMA converts into MDA in the body, then why does MDA produce a different high than MDMA? I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's a distinct differenc in each roll.

I can say from experience that if you mix MDMA and MDA pills in one night, your peak will be MUCH longer lasting (i.e. 5-6 hour peak easy).

Those here who are trying to say that redosing once is all you get to finish the seratonin release have not been testing all possible dosing combinations. It is very possible to get a long sustained heavy peak by dosing on the hour for 4 or 5 hours in a row.

I've being a chronic ecstasy user for almost 15 years, so I believe me when I say I've had to figure out how to optimize the seratonin release in my brain. To say you can only re-dose once is simply not right. However, if you don't continue to dose every hour and allow a "come down" period, it will be tough to go back up to a peak.

If you have a tolerance and are really looking to roll long and hard (as I always do), then try dosing 1 pill 1st, then 2 pills 45 min. to 1 hour later, then 1 more pill 45 to 1 hour after that, then 2 pills 1 hour to 1.5 hours after that. I would suggest playing with this combination, but basically if you pop at least one on the hour every hour til you can't take anymore without puking, then start popping 2 at once when your stomach settles enough, trust me you'll roll long and hard...and the concept of only being able to redose once will become a joke when you're blind with stutter vision for 5 or 6 hours. ;)
 
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