The 6-APB thread

[chronic bubonic]

I would not buy these pills unless they were tested and proven to be what they are advertised as. Same as i would do with ecstasy pills.

If you are certain they are 6-APB titrate your dose up till you feel comfortable.

If you arent certain dont eat them.

I would avoid the pellet nonsense.
Wait till the hype dies down and legitimate 6-apb powder arrives.

There is just no way we could know how much your pills contain.
Even pills of the same color can contain different amounts.

cool ... i was avoiding calling them pellets cos i didnt want to break the rules, but ur last sentence answers half my question thanks

 

[BigFishLittleFish]

"286834-85-3 (racemic free base)
286834-84-2 (racemic hydrochloride salt)"

Taken from the ADD section.

All the cas numbers relating to 6-APB are fake.

Saying that i haven't found anything verifyable about this chemical....

 

[chronic bubonic]

I suppose if it comes mixed with other stuff, then half of the recommended dose could be seen to contain that much, its not exact, but I cant think of a way of fully seperating the contents and just get the active ingredient without an awful amount of effort.

i was thinking more in terms of anecdotal evidence but i guess by definition such evidence is unreliable particularly regarding 6-APB!!!

 

[skyHiGuy]

All the cas numbers relating to 6-APB are fake.

Saying that i haven't found anything verifyable about this chemical....

286834-84-2 (racemic hydrochloride salt) <---- I believe this to be a fake number

i was thinking more in terms of anecdotal evidence but i guess by definition such evidence is unreliable particularly regarding 6-APB!!!

so if there is no cas number does that mean it hasn;t ever been synthesised before now, nor mentioned in shulgins works?

could it be either a really new, yet to be registered chem or a complete fake made up of other drug(s)?

Can anything be picked up suggeting it is another known substance/s from the anecdotes and trip reports?

 

[Turing Machine]

It has been synthed before, it was patented.

EXAMPLE 3
1-(benzofur-6-yl)-2-aminopropane hydrochloride


http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7045545.html

I'd be surprised if the CAS numbers posted by Murphy Clox were incorrect. What evidence is there that the CAS numbers are fake? It seems odd that someone would make up such a thing. The reports seem to describe a highly hedonistic very shallow psychedelic more than an empathogen.

 

[Jamshyd]

I'd still recommend that everyone not touch this drug (of any brand) until we know 100% what it is.

I mean I certainly wouldn't be risking my life for something for which even the CAS number is disputed. You couldn't pay me to put something like that in my body. The market has plenty of fine Entactogens. We can live without an extra one until we know for sure what we're getting.

Wouldn't everyone here agree?

 

[skyHiGuy]

It has been synthed before, it was patented.

EXAMPLE 3
1-(benzofur-6-yl)-2-aminopropane hydrochloride


http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7045545.html

I'd be surprised if the CAS numbers posted by Murphy Clox were incorrect. What evidence is there that the CAS numbers are fake? It seems odd that someone would make up such a thing. The reports seem to describe a highly hedonistic very shallow psychedelic more than an empathogen.

That is helpfull turing machine. 9though the word shallow is rather subjective)
Do the reports/cas listing give details of reaction to testing reagents or a description of other identification features, colour of pure material, etc

I'd still recommend that everyone not touch this drug (of any brand) until we know 100% what it is.

I mean I certainly wouldn't be risking my life for something for which even the CAS number is disputed. You couldn't pay me to put something like that in my body. The market has plenty of fine Entactogens. We can live without an extra one until we know for sure what we're getting.

Wouldn't everyone here agree?

a difficult question to answer jamshyd as each person has a differnt degree of risk aversion, in UK the available enactogens are few and many people have found the whole RC phenomonen liberating

The risks of damage may be higher yet the risk of criminalisation, or dealing with the criminal underground for a fix, or even ending up with alduterated materials are all much lower.

Risk compensation plays a huge role here so people may be prepared to take a bigger risk in one respect since the risk in other areas have decreased

 

[Jamshyd]

^ Then again, people always have the choice of simply not taking drugs. No one NEEDS entactogens. It definitely can wait - something worthwhile ought to come out eventually.

And since BL is a Harm Reduction website, we will focus on the worst-case scenario and the highest risk.

 

[skyHiGuy]

^ Then again, people always have the choice of simply not taking drugs. No one NEEDS entactogens. It definitely can wait - something worthwhile ought to come out eventually.

And since BL is a Harm Reduction website, we will focus on the worst-case scenario and the highest risk.

(I am aware that we are straying slightly- so delete please Mod if too irrelevant)

Some people do need entactogens jamshyd.

I do believe that it is a basic human (and other animals) need to alter concousness and people find different ways to do so. prayer or yoga, menditation sex, music, and of course drugs all help us achieve that - I needed a regular mushroom trip to balance my head and grew cubensis for this. Since shrooms have become class A drugs here I have suffered and not tripped for over a year. My '6-AP' trip really helped me deal with things and cleared my head and has also help me end a stimulant addition.

 

[Roger&Me]

a difficult question to answer jamshyd as each person has a differnt degree of risk aversion, in UK the available enactogens are few and many people have found the whole RC phenomonen liberating

IMO, that's the whole problem.

The reason that entactogens (read: MDMA!) are scarce in the UK is because there is little demand for them. The demand is for any compound that will replace sobriety with some type of generic monged-out speediness.

If the people demand MDMA, it will return.

Until that time, be content with whatever shady garbage you happen to end up with.

I apologize for being curt, I mean this in the most respectful way possible.

 

[chronic bubonic]

That is helpfull turing machine. 9though the word shallow is rather subjective)
Do the reports/cas listing give details of reaction to testing reagents or a description of other identification features, colour of pure material, etc




a difficult question to answer jamshyd as each person has a differnt degree of risk aversion, in UK the available enactogens are few and many people have found the whole RC phenomonen liberating

The risks of damage may be higher yet the risk of criminalisation, or dealing with the criminal underground for a fix, or even ending up with alduterated materials are all much lower.

Risk compensation plays a huge role here so people may be prepared to take a bigger risk in one respect since the risk in other areas have decreased

Of course - if it aint illegal its available pretty much in everyones local headshop - of which there are MANY in the UK. people think becos its in nice packaging or sold on the high street it must be legit... so they buy it. ( 'it' relates to any random chemical btw)

 

[chronic bubonic]

4mmc (and derivatives) was banned in the UK following a number of deaths, i cant remember the exact details - ie names and locations of victims, but it subsequently has emerged that they hadnt taken 4mmc but that is what theyd thought theyd bought


i'm going to do a quick scout about and try and confirm this

 

[chronic bubonic]

from wikipedia mephedrone page


Deaths
[edit]Sweden
In 2008, an 18-year-old Swedish woman died in Stockholm after taking mephedrone allegedly in combination with cannabis. An ambulance was soon called to Bandhagen after the girl went into convulsions and turned blue in the face, Svenska Dagbladet reported.[46] Doctors reported that she was comatose and suffering from hyponatremia and severe hypokalemia; an autopsy after her death on the second hospital day revealed cerebral edema.[3] Mephedrone was scheduled to be classified as a "dangerous substance" in Sweden even before the girl's death at Karolinska University Hospital on Sunday, 14 December, but the death brought more media attention to the drug. The possession of mephedrone became classified as a criminal offence in Sweden on 15 December 2008.[47]
[edit]UK
There have been unconfirmed reports speculating about the role mephedrone has played in the deaths of several young people in the UK.[48] By April 2010, cathinones had been implicated in the deaths of 18 people in England , 7 in Scotland, 1 in Wales and 1 in Northern Ireland.[37] As of June 2010, mephedrone use has been established as a cause of death in only one case in England, that of 46 year old, Stirling Smith, who had underlying health problems and repeatedly injected the drug.[49] The death of a teenager in the UK in November 2009 was widely reported as being caused by mephedrone, but a report by the coroner concluded that she died from natural causes. Toxicology reports following the deaths of two teenagers (Louis Wainwright, 18, and Nicholas Smith, 19) that were widely reported by the media to be caused by mephedrone, and which led to a ban on the substance in April 2010, showed that the teenagers had in fact not taken any mephedrone.[49] According to Fiona Measham, a criminologist who is a member of the ACMD, the reporting of the death by newspapers followed "the usual cycle of ‘exaggeration, distortion, inaccuracy and sensationalism'" associated with the reporting of recreational drug use.[24]


ok i admit this doesnt prove my above statement but the testers need to know what theyre looking for so fuck knows what these people had been snorting

 

[Jamshyd]

Sky: No, nobody needs entactogens. If you need entactogens, then you more urgently need help!

Some people may want entactogens more than other drugs, but it doesn't make their decision to consume sketchy materials any less stupid.

 

[chronic bubonic]

IMO, that's the whole problem.

The reason that entactogens (read: MDMA!) are scarce in the UK is because there is little demand for them. The demand is for any compound that will replace sobriety with some type of generic monged-out speediness.

If the people demand MDMA, it will return.

Until that time, be content with whatever shady garbage you happen to end up with.

I apologize for being curt, I mean this in the most respectful way possible.

Completely incorrect

proper mdma is extremely sought after at the mo, restrictions on saffrole exportation from the far east (or the fact that there's none left) are responsible for its absence

 

[Roger&Me]

^Well there's so much unexpectedly-pure molly floating around North America right now, its absolutely ridiculous.

Clearly you people are doing something wrong.

 

[love_sex_desire]

^ It's true there is a shortage of safrole from SE Asia causing shotages in Europe, but from what I understand you can still get good quality MDMA in some European places (assuming Spain or The Netherlands?)

I might be wrong, but there is an abundance in Canada, and it seems like there is a lot in the US, so I have a sneaking suspicion that if the 'higher-ups' in the UK weren't able to pass of pipes and other BS as ecstasy than they might look into getting some legitimate MDMA from elsewhere.

Smuggling is the oldest way to get around laws in the book! Analogs are simply a new way to get around laws.

Anyways, I'm wondering if someone has access to MDMA and MDA do those that have tried 6-APB feel that it would be worth looking into? Or is it simply a sub-par alternative compared to MDMA/MDA because the traditional entactogens are unavailabale?

This thread is looking good BTW! BL isn't here to rain on your drug-fuelled parade but it is very much appreciated that you take the banter to the PD Social Thread. Have fun!

 

[organicshroom]

We shall not forget about the risks of this chemical itself.

As what was mentioned on the first thread, there is a chance that 6-AB(D)P is nephrotoxic(toxic to kidneys) due to the concern with having a benzofuran core. Also that there is possible 5ht2c receptor affinity which may create further side effects that differ from other empathogens.

All I'm suggesting is that its important to be mindful and strongly note any negative effects. It's easy to forget or dismiss them if the positive effects were delightful.

 

[organicshroom]

It has been synthed before, it was patented.

EXAMPLE 3
1-(benzofur-6-yl)-2-aminopropane hydrochloride

From what I understand, a chemical does not need to be synthed to be patented. A maybe it may not even require a CAS number either, in this case.

 

[infinity2k7]

IMO, that's the whole problem.

The reason that entactogens (read: MDMA!) are scarce in the UK is because there is little demand for them. The demand is for any compound that will replace sobriety with some type of generic monged-out speediness.

If the people demand MDMA, it will return.

Until that time, be content with whatever shady garbage you happen to end up with.

I apologize for being curt, I mean this in the most respectful way possible.

This is getting off-topic but seriously UK is probably the biggest users per capita of MDMA in the world, and there is constant huge demand for it. It's the supply that's not there, there just isn't enough to feed the demand.