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Heroin H: Chase Or Snort..Which Do You Preffer & Why?

muie

muie

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For anybody that live on the East Coast of Canada or even North America can tell you that the heroin found in say New Jersey v.s. California is a ton fuck better...the only contradiction/exception to this rule is that the heroin from the Toronto area v.s. British Columbia/Vancuver area (B.C. has always had stronger/purer H)....however the other close provinces to the East of B.C. have heroin which is way weaker than the Toronto heroin and is more along the lines of California/Mexican shit.

With that being said, the H here is very good & to give you a concret example a person needing 20mg oxy or 30mg hydrocodone to buzz would be able to have 1 point of this H (in general from the area) last from day to night high all the time, 2 full days and maybe even a 3rd day for the stronger minded......chasing the dragon this is...I know H tolerent people who can easily smoke 1g a day and still get high for the whole day off 50mg-70mg I.Ved.

I have always been afraid and hated needles even at the doctor's office so I never tried I'V though with H i've snorted and I've chased it a lot...usually when I was addicted I would chase 1g a day (usually no more, but no less either...plus consider that a person needs to sleep so prob 1g chased in about 14-17hrs).

Other friends at that time would snort it much more than smoke it and they would tell me it lasts longer and bioavailability wise they told me that it is very close if not the same absorbility/bioavailability when snorted as when smoked (with the exception that smoking is immediate).

OUESTION:

1) I would like to hear other opinions on which is better in terms of which lasts longer in effects, or in days/hours and which is better overall between snorted and smoked H. If possible mention what is your current situation regarding the use of narcs and so on.

2) Also does anyone one for certain what the difference in bioavailability is between smoked and snorted?

Honestly I have only gotten a true rush from chasing H only when I haven't done it in a long time or when I first started smoking it. However I am very used to chasing fentanyl (worse than H..got up to 10mg smoked a day, ended with 205mg/day methadone for 3-4 yrs). When I chased fentanyl I would actually RUSH from head to toe (even when using it often and addicted), as if throwing myself into a huge wave splashing over my entire body massasing every part..you get the point...with H it never was like that, it was more of a fuck I was waiting for that, damn everything is nice stony high eyes going down everything seeming as it should be...but definatley not strong enough like fentanyl to not be able to function/talk/operate properly during the rush and/or having the rush as the main focus while ur peaking.

Anyways you can see why I would be eager to chase fentanyl, however when chasing it compared to having it orally, chasing would last less than 1.2hrs-1.5hrs while orall would be about 2hrs-2.3hrs so almost half that...the only difference (since fentanyl is very bioavailable orally, unlike H) chasing it was the actual rush.

As with H (from experience) the 'rush' you get chasing it gets less and less magic and also like fentanyl and compared to snorted it also lasts shorter.

My question to everybody experienced in this field is:
1) Considering that I don't do heroin to get 'fucked up/rushy' rather when I take it I do either when I am very very upset or in pain to the point of crying! First of all out of all the narc I've done I've never been crazy about any perticular aspect of the experience OTHER than the morphine/poppy pod buzz which some call dirty and most preffer the synthethics/semi like oxy or dilaudid but to me oxy and dilaudid were simply 'twisted' versions of the original version. Morphine, along with codeine, methadone, pods, heroin and all those that are sedating are my favorites as opposed to the uplifting fentanyl, demerol, oxy, etc which are like I said 'tweaked/modified' versions.

Don't get me wrong I like getting high on H and the other sedating narcs (by snorting too much, rather than chasing a little less) but these days I usually keep narcotics and especially heroin for emergency cases only and when I do I intend to get the absolute most in effects and in absorbtion/bio availability (without a needle) out of my heroin.

Side Note:
Currently 1 point (100mg) of H will last me high from day to night about 2 days...this is by chasing it and on the internet and bluelight people are of the opinion that smoking (compared to every other R.O.A. is considered a 'waste').

Doing this I will maybe run out by the end of the 2nd night or right on the 2nd night though always lasts till next day. When I would snort, I would need about 40mg...almost half a point so 45-50mg norted at once to get high, high and very buzzed. This would last longer than smoking but the point would last me about 2, maxium 3 highs with a low tolerence when 25mg-35mg would be enough to get high snorted.

Thanks!
 
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IME people who smoke heroin do so for many reasons one of which being the ritual. You get started smoking it, and smoking it just naturally comes; it's how you associate the pleasure of being high with how you get high if that makes sense. But yea the ritual everyone's got one. But snorting is far more effective, in all of the ways you mentioned. Smoking is a big waste unfortunately, it can be fun for the fast onset, but that's about it. I'm on the east coast and almost always bang my dope unless I don't have a rig and I have never seen people smoke it, nor have I ever actually seen tar around Boston.

In conclusion snorting is the way to go, for efficiency, duration, and everything in between. Like I said my opinion has little place in this thread because I pretty much take heroin soully through injection.

If you want to examine this through the lens of harm reduction I would say smoking is safer because rumor has it you will pass out completely before you get high enough to stop breathing, however, I have also heard that this is a possible fallacy. I sort of believe a little of both. I hope I had some constructive input here man
 
well i can tell you i never have tried smoking h but enjoy snorting it...

with oxys i do smoke and snort ... usually will rack up a 40mg line and then smoke the other 40
 
it definitely depends on the batch/supplier, but I've gotten Persian brown that was A LOT more potent than a good portion of the china white I've experienced. I've also experienced china that was better than the best Persian brown I've had..

Every batch of dope is different. It could be cut to shit, or it could be 90% pure... Tar or otherwise.
Therefore, it completely depends on the bag you've got in your hands now. This is why it's best to test a small bit of your dope previous to slamming/snorting it.


as for your question, Keif Richards pretty much nailed it right on the head. as he damn well should, since he's been doing dope since before most of us were born! ha, just playin.
 
I haven't done heroin in a longtime. I live on the west coast so we get tar H. When I was addicted to H, my preferred way, was at first I.V. but then I started plugging it, tar sucks for snorting and smoking, its wasteful.. I was getting some track mark scaring and injecting street drugs is dangerous, so I decided to start plugging.
 
JustaJunkie said:
I live on the west coast and my friend that used to live on the east coast says tar is much better.
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I used to live in the middle of the united states (St. Louis, MO) where they have powder, and now I live on the border of the united states (Tucson, AZ), where they have tar. you'd think being in the middle of the united states it'd be weak as hell, well I will tell you the powder in St. Louis is stronger than the tar here. BUT, the tar here is $45 a gram, and I can make that last longer.

oh, and I inject my drugs.
 

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE TELL ME THE BIOAVAILABILITY OF HEROIN WHEN SNORTED?
(Wikkepiedia only lists the inhalation bioavailability..not reliable really as it lists it between 40%-60%..pretty big difference).

On the topic of chasing it....I haven't snorted too much but I feel that people who say snorting is better than smoking just don't know hot to get the most out of their foil, however I know do believe that snorting is more efficient, although you have to admit there is no way in hell you can feel the effects of 10mg heroin without injecting it (smoking it you can...its like 1 or 2 tylenol 3's) but snorting it I don't think you could so like I said 100mg is prob going to be 2 doses of 45mg-50mg (though I still think a small hit is the way to bump up when u've snorted say 50mg and you know that another 50mg will be almost your entire stash/point.

There has been heroin over here that was silver, white, and even brown (sometimes the brown is better than silver or even white so color has nothing to do with it) however no heroin required over 50mg at most..40mg or so smoked to get fucked up. All I said is there is no mexican brown tar here in the East Cost...Persian or whatever you call it, it's all middle easter or mostly middle eastern and Persians (Iranians) make just good quality H as Afghanistan (which is mostly so backwards it only has fields of pods and no facilities so the shit ends up somewhere more modern like Syria or Iran as a transipment point so to speak as it is processed to H but instead of Afghanistan the importer is Iran....not much difference in heroin, maybe in opium yes but not in the final product out of the destination countries factory.

I've had H which was $15 a point and H that was $25-$30 a point. The $15 a point H was from a rare connection, not that it was bad heroin..ohh and I used to pay even $40 a point when I started smoking because I knew only 1 person for it and I had to 'eat out of his palm' so to speak which I did.
 
I really can't find anywhere the bioavailability of snorted heroin, wereas on wikipedia they give the smoked bioavailability but not snorted.

Can someone also please tell me why I still get tempted to smoke it and preffer to smoke it rather than snort, despite everything I told you that what matters to me is the buzz not the rush or anything fancy.....

Thanks!
 
muie said:
I really can't find anywhere the bioavailability of snorted heroin, wereas on wikipedia they give the smoked bioavailability but not snorted.

Can someone also please tell me why I still get tempted to smoke it and preffer to smoke it rather than snort, despite everything I told you that what matters to me is the buzz not the rush or anything fancy.....

Thanks!
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I think the difference between 40-60% probably depends on how well you can vaporize the heroin when smoking it. if you can smoke without being wasteful and burning your dope on the foil, you're probably in the upper end of the 40-60% spectrum.

as to why your body reacts to smoking so well is anyone's guess. my guess would be that you've grown so accustomed to smoking and the rituals that come with it, that you get "higher" that way. in reality, it's placebo effect. all in your head. just my theory though, i'm no doctor or psychiatrist.
 
Tar is much better IMHO.

Please stop thinking that where you are from is better. That is a old story that is preached all the time.

Heroin all depends on how pure it is. I have had tar that would blow your mind.

If you like the shit you get (made in a lab)...more power too you.

I get my tar strait from Mexico, still in sheets.

How good it is depends on how pure it is..it has nothing to do with what state you live in.

I lived in Boston and in other places up and down the East Coast. I have had good shit, and bad shit. Same with my home state of California. Good shit and bad shit.
 
Smoking because it is so fun! It's like a ritual. Cutting up a nice piece of foil, folding the edges to make it nice and sturdy, (sometimes) finding a nice new pen to use, making art, and cool designs! Smoking in general is just fun!

But my opinion is completely invalid as I only can get tar, I sometimes get brown powder but I don't snort it. I just breathe on it and it turns to tar. Like magic! I wish I could get my hands on some quality east coast pow, you know, just to try. See what all the fuss is about and if it's true. :(
 
BTW, shooting Heroin is the only way to go.

The high is much more intense, you only have to use a fraction of what you would use with smoking or snorting it, and the high is much better.

People who say that the whole process of smoking it is better, but I can assure you, the fun you have "cutting up foil" and "drawing pictures" is very similar to fixing up dope to shoot it. If you don't believe me, watch "Pulp Fiction" and you will get the idea.

I understand why some people like to smoke or snort it, but just like the old saying of "once you shoot it, you will never go back," I can attest to the fact of shooting it is light years better then any other MOA.
 
To the previous poster number one I don't think where I live is better...number 2 having heroin ANYWHERE is not a good thing. Generally speaking I assure you geography has always played a large part in the purity of heroin, even today not only historically, number 3 as for you getting your brown tar directly from mexico where the poppy grows wheas I am happy getting my heroin from the labs/factories.....this oviously shows what you know about shit all if anything I now wonder.

In the country parts of Mexico where the poppy grows, the opium is collected with primitive tools and method (no technology) in the same way it has been for 2-3 thousand years....just like in Turkey. The thing in common with heroin production in both Mexico & Turkey is that after the opium is collected and 'cooked', it HAS to be transported to a better developed facility (in the case of Turkey, opium has generally gone to Sicily where they had enough modern methods and facilities whey'd turn it into pure heroin. This heroin most definatley got into your veins or your parents at one point or another in your/their lives.

There is no such thing as heroin from the earth...all H comes from a factory...end of discussion.

As for your last comment on injection, that is EXACTLY the reason I do not inject.

p.s. For the record and those that are considering shooting out there, my good friend who started to IV has told me many times in all honesty that the only difference between smoking/snorting and shooting is a 10-20 minute rush.

Those who say that its better to shoot b/c you don't need as much material are usually asshole dealers who want to profit from your addiction because to be honest once you DO get addicted using needles you will no longer use 50mg-80mg to get high. I know people who have used as much as others injecting it while others snorted it, so that comment is only valid for the first month or two of injecting H...after that you will have a monster tolernence and it will be a huge bitch to get it out of your body.
 
it DOES take less heroin to get you to the same point as smoking/snorting it. however, I do think that your tolerance will go up once you start this. IV heroin is also shorter in duration.
 
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