The 6-APB thread v. Is full of dummies

[Xamkou]

I work 5 days a week, 6am-2pm. I'm thoroughly enjoying two weeks off at the moment, however.

 

[ragingboy]

haha! I do work but I have a day off so I can get my stuff together for bigchill tomorrow I promise to do a tr when I get back.

Oh and does grinding these up and putting them in gel caps sound a good plan?

 

[tonsill]

haha! I do work but I have a day off so I can get my stuff together for bigchill tomorrow I promise to do a tr when I get back.

Oh and does grinding these up and putting them in gel caps sound a good plan?

yep thats the best way of doing them (so ive read on here)

 

[Vurtual]

Hi - just to report back (i'll keep the inane waffle low from now on in anticipation of this thread getting merged with it's daddy).

Just a word of HR (bit late i know) - this stuff is a novel chemical: while similar to known substances (mdx) it may produce different by-products when broken down in the body which could have unpredictable effects (a chemistry bod would honour me by correcting anything i just said). While lots of people have taken it in samples, there may be other bad effects which only show up with excessive doses and prolonged use. I'd say be cautious about boshing this too much too soon - this also goes for most other RCs (not you amt)

I did only one pellet (not crushed) at about 1.10 and that was enough for me for a good 8 hours (about the same as 100mg of sample lasted). First alerts at about 50 minutes - Full effects were about 90 minutes in: felt nice and euphoric, maybe not as empathogenic as mdma (i found this with the sample too); heavy teeth clenching, eye-wobbles, hot and sweaty. leg bouncing - this strong peak lasted about 4-5 hours tapering down gradually at the end to nice-feeling afterglow (again just like the sample). I suspect this after-stimulation would have carried on for another couple of hours to give an overall duration of 10-12 hours to (more-or-less) baseline (like the sample) - but....

I then decided to redose [me stupid - see HR above] at about 9.20, but only with a half (to see if half would do anything to me more than anything) - i got a definite hit again and was up for another 8 hours, though with slightly shorter and less intense peak. It came on much quicker than the first though (definite effects within 45 minutes: maybe because it was semi-crushed; maybe the earlier dose potentiated it) - got a slight headache at the end though (this may have been not eating/drinking enough - hope it isn't a consistent effect of redosing). Tried to go to bed about 5.30 - couldn't nod off for ages (residual stimulation); managed about 2 hours sleep before i had to go to town and do stuff. Surprisingly i don't feel too knackered though, and i'm definitely still feeling an afterglow and even some stimulation (leg bouncing) from last night's pellets (i was marching round the town, my mate had to ask me to slow down) - i also got this nice next day afterglow from my sample (sort of like the day after a pill felt last time they were £10) (no i'm not saying they're like pills).

The basic trajectory of the hit seems similar to methylone to me (initial nice peak, with residual after-stimulation which tails off slowly over a day or two) - but with a much longer peak and overall effect, and with the MASSIVELY important difference that the after-stimulation is also really nice (unlike the edgy methylone). It is certainly similar to mdma and mda, but it seems sort of different to either too - i didn't get the visuals i would expect from 100mg mda (and didn't from the samples either), although there was some slight visual distortion - but the stimulation did feel more like mda than mdma to me (less empathogenic).

As to speculation on amount in the pellets - i don't think you can draw the conlusion that all the pellets are less than 100mg from the info so far - especially if you think (as seems likely) the amount in each pellet varies. Mine for one - as far as i can tell - seemed to give more-or-less the same effect i got off 100mg of sample (it seemed like it may be slightly weaker, but it was close enough to be accounted for by other factors, so i couldn't definitely say) - i'd guess at anywhere from 75-100mg. But it was significantly stronger than when i did ~66mg (again with above subjectivity caveats). I'll try the few i got left sometime to see if the hit is consistent across my pellets (if i can wait long enough to give a fair assessment - i.e. probably not)

The above is my (very tentative) opinion of what happened to me - and could be totally wrong - these are subjective opinions but it is honest (oh and sorry if my ability to spell makes me seem like an impostor ).

 

[MrDoIt]

Hi guys. Just checking in to let you know Im still alive and well and no A&E dramas !!!

Well after last nights adventure, I can honestly say that for me, it was a really long time coming up. Originally dropped 1st pillet (whole) around 2pm, slightly happy feeling and feeling nice but no big rush or anything like the original samplers had. Friend turned up at 4pm, necked 1 pillet (whole) and within half an hour she was being sick, and after that was buzzing all night. My dissappointment led me to take another 1 1/12 pillets (both crushed and bombed in rizzla). By 10-11pm I have to say I was feeling amazing, but could not compare this trip remotely to any old skool Es/MDxx Ive had in the past. Whole thing was a lot weaker. Still tripping balls at 6am (and friend) when we went to bed to try and sleep, after playing/messing about for the next 2 hours I think we eventually got to sleep !! Woke up at 1.15pm, still feel wired now and its 15.20pm !!

I think the "O5" have to iron out problems with these pillets, and hopefully their next batch will be spot on the money. It took me 2 1/2 pills to "come up" but I think the experience was worth the wait.

Get your pills sorted out Vendors - stop selling us naff goods and expecting premium price to be paid.

All in all I think these pills have not been made correctly, with varying doses from pill to pill, and also think the filler might be a problem.

Have a good day trippers - will be back later.

 

[Osky_P]

Is Sublingual ROA equally as effective as plugging, in that both methods by pass the stomach preventing much degradation to the substance?

Or is it always better... erm... up the shitter?

If so, as a bum noobie, would 100mg be the way to go? Or in theory will lesser dosage hit the spot? Do not want to underdose .

 

[Plant Love]

Rachel Riley time! :D

I was suprised how battered I felt and how long it lasted yesterday evening from just one pillet.

 

[iom]

So, given that the bioavailability of the active ingredient of these pillets seems rather low, and given that the only other ingredients in the pillets are cellulose and magnesium stearate (or so we've been told), has anyone tried a proper Cold Water Extraction? I remember several people got their best results by crushing the pillets up and dropping them in a chosen beverage (although some of these were re-doses). In order to reduce the come up as much as possible seems to me the next logical step is to beat the hell out of a pillet and perform a real CWE

Switching gears, I apologize if these next two questions are massively duncey. If I do beat the hell out of a pillet and strain it well (coffee filter, etc.) could I dry and weigh the crap that comes out, and compare with the weight of the pillet pre-extraction to infer the weight of the dissolved ingredient (hopefully 6-APB)? Alternatively, could I boil off the water post-extraction to get powdered 6-APB, or would that potentially damage the chemical? Which kind of heat can this chem take?

I believe cold water extractions are intended to selectively extract one active ingredient when more than one is present in a pharmaceutical tablet. I don't cold water conveys any advantage in this case, and it might hinder dissolution of the desired actives.

That said, as an experiment you could try to filter and dry the undissolved portion of a crushed pellet to see what percentage is soluble. While the 6-APB is probably soluble, other pill additives may also be soluble. At the same time, a substantial amount of 6-APB may also remain bound within the crumbles of insoluble material. This means you won't necessarily get an accurate measure of active product, and you might waste product if you only consume the liquid.

I suspect the low bio-availability of the active in the experience described here is due to the pellets not disintegrating well in the gut. Pharmaceutical preparations (other than extended release), on the other hand, are carefully designed to disintegrate completely soon after swallowing.

 

[afctu]

Quick question: Anyone tried 6-APB with Mephedrone before, or know anyone who has?
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Yes. I had one average sized line when i took 80-90mg of the first tan sample batch of 6-APB.

I was that fucked off the 6ABP that i didn't really notice the meph, but it was after the meph (i had also been smoking a bit of highgrade) that i get really nice visuals. Spinning dartboards, a womens eye winking, 'cartoon grass' on my mates back garden lawn, and a spiral tunnel

That tan sample from one of the official 5, was amazing, best drug experience ive had.

I have yet to order any 'pillets' though

 

[iom]

V_Marquis test result:

Quick reaction on all four straight to purple/dark purple No fissing!

left to right weight:

(1) 250mg (2)290mg (3)300mg (4)310mg

thats a 60mg difference smallest to largest!! WTF

That's a range of about a 20%. For the manufacturer to have achieved "100 +/- 2 mg" as was indicated in a previous post, they would have had to have individually measured the dose going into each pellet. Such would be extremely labor intensive, especially at the +/- 2mg error range. (ed. unless they somehow used liquid measurement and dried them in the press; hmm... still more questions)

People should never make claims that don't add up if they want to earn your trust. It's time to protest this pelleting nonsense.

 

[Scoobysnacks]

How was it a victory, most people had to take 3 or 4 times the amount which will make this too expensive and the ones who did get really out of it had to take other compunds as well like 5-IAI, MDAI,and alchhol

used to pay £20 just for one(good one) e in the early nineties, and we drank alchhol and smoked pot too.

victory only for big 5, im just suprised they didnt send out bunk to be honest

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Is Sublingual ROA equally as effective as plugging, in that both methods by pass the stomach preventing much degradation to the substance?

Or is it always better... erm... up the shitter?

If so, as a bum noobie, would 100mg be the way to go? Or in theory will lesser dosage hit the spot? Do not want to underdose .

im plugging the lot Osky if i faint from being overhigh so be it lol

 

[Osky_P]

im plugging the lot Osky if i faint from being overhigh so be it lol

Over high sounds good to me scoobs up the bum no harm done then it is

 

[questa]

It normally takes a LOT of anything to get me mashed but half a tablet was taken 62 minutes ago (crushed and dissolved) and I'm feeling pretty wrecked actually. Not out of it by any means, but this would be enough for me to have a great evening.

Wasnt expecting anything at all tbh, based on previous posts, but a whole tablet would have had me totally off my face, similar wreckedness to maybe 300mg off MDMA or a 400mg meph bomb.

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Over high sounds good to me scoobs up the bum no harm done then it is

haha...very true mate, check this post Osky

Yes, actually I'm a bit of an expert at plugging as I find it to be a superior route of administration, reducing the bodyload and halving the dose of just about anything and creating overall smoother experiences whose peak and plateau stages last about as long as oral, but where the come up and come down are shorter.

Anyway, with pure powders I just put it inside a gel cap and insert it and it works fine, still comes on very quickly, but slightly less quickly than if dissolved. For a pill I would definitely want to dissolve it to make sure it absorbs most effectively. I'd mix with maybe 2-3mL of water, enough to dissolve it completely without the water being too thick so it can be easily drawn up into an oral syringe. Then lay on your back and lift your legs and ass into the air and insert it (lube is good). Then leave it there for a moment and take it out slowly to avoid any leakage. Then you can hold that pose for maybe 20 seconds, let it flow in a little, and then you can lay on your stomach for maybe 5-10 minutes to make sure it stays in. If you have to walk, clench, but avoid walking for a good 10-15 minutes I'd say, optimally.

With the gel cap method for dry powders, you can pretty much just walk around right away, the powder will just immediately attach to the rectum and start absorbing, rather than leaking out like a dissolved solution tries to.

Graphic, perhaps, but now you have a technique. Rectal admin can be a little annoying or bothersome to perform, but it's worth it for a superior ingestion method that is WAY better than snorting and uses the same dose, and reduces bodyload significantly on almost everything I've tried it with. Some people are uncomfortable with it, but there's no reason or need to be. Putting drugs in your ass doesn't mean you're gay as a surprising number of people seem to suggest.

 

[Microgram]

It normally takes a LOT of anything to get me mashed but half a tablet was taken 62 minutes ago (crushed and dissolved) and I'm feeling pretty wrecked actually. Not out of it by any means, but this would be enough for me to have a great evening.

Wasnt expecting anything at all tbh, based on previous posts, but a whole tablet would have had me totally off my face, similar to maybe 300mg off MDMA.

Oh come on now! For goodness sake...300mg of MDMA? Give me a break.

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Oh come on now! For goodness sake...300mg of MDMA? Give me a break.

yeh which fucker selling ya bunk mdma, lets batter his dealer boys haha

 

[questa]

Well I'm feeling it pretty good on half a pellet anyway, thats the key part of ym post

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Well I'm feeling it pretty good on half a pellet anyway, thats the key part of ym post

true mate , keep us informed

 

[Osky_P]

Oh come on now! For goodness sake...300mg of MDMA? Give me a break.

On half a pellet? Don't mean to be rude but statements like that after a single post will raise eyebrows, dude. Good for you though fella if you're having a blast.

Quoted microgram but meant to quote questa... bloody tiny smartphone and fingers like sausages