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Drugs Are My Life

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slimvictor

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No offense is meant by this, but I want to discuss a serious issue here.

To me, anyone who says "drugs are my life" is basically wasting their life.
Drugs can be a wonderful way of exploring life more deeply, but it seems to me like a waste of life to live in order to get high.
I completely understand and support the idea of using drugs to facilitate the exploration of music, art, literature, yoga, sex, friendship, one's own psychology, and even science, but using drugs without any "higher" goal ;) seems like a sad waste to me.
To use drugs to relax is not a problem, to my mind. But to use drugs just to use drugs seems sad, in some way. It seems escapist, and like a defeated way to live.

And then, there are people like the Shulgins, who might be able to say "drugs are my life", and I would have nothing but respect for them.

So just what is going on here?

Am I just being too narrow-minded and limited in my thinking?

Or is there a line that can be drawn, on one side of which is the "drugs are my life, and I am wasting my life" area, and on the other side of which is the "drugs are my life, and I am living life to the fullest" area???

Maybe it has to do with the responsibility that people take.
The Shulgins (possibly) take responsibility for living fully, and so I can respect their choices easily.
Some people continuously use drugs in order NOT to take responsibility, so I have more trouble respecting their choices.

Hoping to discuss this issue with y'all.
 
I don't think that you're being narrow-minded, I think you're being quite logical.

Some individuals spend their lives on drugs, seeking them in attempts to get high and escape some reality that they don't wish to face.

Others pursue drugs on more intellectual terms which I think relates to your feelings about Shulgin. The intellectual underpinning of this type of pursuit makes it more palatable, but in my opinion unless it serves some practical purpose or goal I don't think it is any more respectable than the first type. Its more like chasing a subjective ghost--perhaps less pathetic than escapism, but equally as useless.
 
I do agree in a way.
I think for me, people who use drugs in such a way and have purpose are in a better situation to say that drugs are their life and not come across as though they are actually wasting their life.

I'm definitely wasting mine, though it's a bit of a waste anyway lol :|
 
drugs are ly life too...5 pills in the morning, 2 at mid-day, 1 at supper/diner, one after diner, then 5 pills before sleeping.. all Rx'ed, but they have infiltrated my conciousness for better an for worst, then every couple of weeks i'll try a new RC....

life on drugs... good or bad,,,???

some of my Rx's i use therapeuticaly, others recreational (bupe benzos meprobamate.) i abuse of
 
But I don't know why...

I guess u could say they r a "big part' of my life right now--but I can't pinpoint why-or I don't want to face why..I dunno.. Just know they aren't workin so good anymore..:(
 
I see both sides of the issue..

I think it may be a bit narrow minded to think they are wasting their lives.

Maybe if it was your source of livelihood and #1 hobby, and you were single, and you did cool things and went cool places while on the drugs, or in the course of obtaining and selling them.
 
I think it's impossible to "waste your life". If life can indeed be deemed as wasted, all children who died under the age of twenty could be described as "wasted life". Your problem, I think, is that you attribute contributing to society as the main way to establish that you have not wasted your life. I would disagree, I think all life, whether it lives for hundreds of years building and working, or for but a quick moment destroying all around it, had a purpose, and a reason to be there.

tl;dr: The man told you to be unhappy one day unless you work, and you believed him. You should be happy to work, not work to be happy.
 
I don't think the poster is being narrow-minded, but I wouldn't be so quick to judge people who use for their own reasons. Maybe if the person is a junkie and he/she is so hooked on drugs that they can't even function to the slightest, then yeah that'd be wasting a life. If someone uses drugs here & there for whatever their reason though and can still go on about their lives, then who are you to judge them or say they're "wasting life"? Maybe it is "better" or "more sensible" to use drugs for this so called "exploration" you talk about or whatever, but if somebody still wants to use a drug for a good trip every now & then, then I don't see the problem in that either. That doesn't automatically mean the person is "escaping" or is "defeated." Then again maybe for some people that is the case, I don't know. This conversation really could go on forever though because so many people use drugs for so many different reasons. I mean there are what, some 7 billion people on Earth? A good % of that number probably uses drugs in some form, and of all those people a good % of them probably use drugs for a multitude of different reasons. It really is a debate that could last forever.
 
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Ralt said:
I think it's impossible to "waste your life". If life can indeed be deemed as wasted, all children who died under the age of twenty could be described as "wasted life". Your problem, I think, is that you attribute contributing to society as the main way to establish that you have not wasted your life. I would disagree, I think all life, whether it lives for hundreds of years building and working, or for but a quick moment destroying all around it, had a purpose, and a reason to be there.

tl;dr: The man told you to be unhappy one day unless you work, and you believed him. You should be happy to work, not work to be happy.
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Unless you derive all purpose and value from a divine being or religion or something like that, then contribution to society IS the defining factor. I know it sounds terribly harsh, but evolutionarily speaking, it's true. Everything having a "plan" or a "purpose" implies a divine plan and predestination.
 
I don't see any greater value in the abuse of drugs with the subtext of exploration of an art over the abuse of drugs to chase a high or feeling of being away from it all. I think it's a rather self serving proclamation that because someone explores music while high that somehow makes it a nobler or better reason to do drugs over someone who simply abuses the drugs because they want to "escape".

Certainly both uses have equally negative effects on society as a whole. Just because you explore art while high, doesn't mean you didn't just break a law or cop drugs from a dealer who may also sell to school age kids.
 
I have personally said "all i have to live for is drugs" when asked why I couldn't stop. At the time I wasn't working or even currently enrolled for the current semester. So basically if it wasn't for my daily fix at the time, there really wasn't too much excitement.

Luckily i'm pulling through and school starts soon :)
 
Ralt said:
Your problem, I think, is that you attribute contributing to society as the main way to establish that you have not wasted your life.
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tl;dr: The man told you to be unhappy one day unless you work, and you believed him. You should be happy to work, not work to be happy.
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't too clear about this, but I do not care about whether one contributes to society. It is in no way about a job, for me.
Instead, I judge passionate exploration of and participation in one's life, or lack thereof, to be the main factor.
 
I think statistics would probably tell you that most people who use drugs recreationally on a fairly regular basis are depressed/have some other non-major mental illness. Drugs are a great way to explore your mind and the world, and just to get a break from how shitty life can sometimes be.

I think that the majority of people who say "Drugs are my Life" probably don't mean it. And those that do mean it are probably just going through a phase (hate to be a mom here) in their life where drugs happen to play a very large role. I know if I were to ask myself point-blank I would probably say drugs are my life. But I'm nineteen and I might grow out of it or something. I've got goals and dreams and all that hoo-ha. I should mention that smoking weed kind of occupies a different niche in my life. It is infused directly with my life at this point and its like a yin-yang scenario. I'm talking primarily "hard" shit

I think the people that this quotation most applies to in a literal sense are straight junkies and crackheads, yet they wouldn't really need to say it because they are usually a walking billboard for it. I think for a lot of people; most people on here anyway, drugs are their life. Or alternatively a pretty serious hobby ;)
 
Keif' Richards said:
I've got goals and dreams and all that hoo-ha. I should mention that smoking weed kind of occupies a different niche in my life. It is infused directly with my life at this point and its like a yin-yang scenario.
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keep it that way! I can completely relate to the yin-yang scenario with weed and life.

But don't EVER try it with other drugs cuz then the yin and yang aren't so balanced. i've learned my lesson and i'm only 20
 
^^ I wouldn't suggest any one try it with weed either. It doesn't work for every one. I have seen weed stop peoples lives, and almost let it stop mine. It is a very real drug and needs to be treated that way. No one should live with any addiction.


slimvictor said:
And then, there are people like the Shulgins, who might be able to say "drugs are my life", and I would have nothing but respect for them.
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How do you know Shulgins ultimate goal wasn't just to get high? He just decided that he would help others and have a damn good excuse behind it?

I wouldn't say drugs are my life but they do incorporate a huge part of it, being my number 1 hobby.
 
I think some people get high to explore themselves. Others get high to escape. I don't think you can label one as more noble than the other, because you can never fully understand the circumstance of their life.

When someone is getting high simply out of boredom or habit, that's where it becomes sad in my book. At that point they would be doing themselves a favor to try to move on and make life more productive.
 
Jakeperson said:
^^ I wouldn't suggest any one try it with weed either. It doesn't work for every one. I have seen weed stop peoples lives, and almost let it stop mine. It is a very real drug and needs to be treated that way. No one should live with any addiction.




How do you know Shulgins ultimate goal wasn't just to get high? He just decided that he would help others and have a damn good excuse behind it?

I wouldn't say drugs are my life but they do incorporate a huge part of it, being my number 1 hobby.
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lolol, that was pretty funny Jakeperson. I kind of thought the same thing to myself. How does anyone really know why someone took drugs? Someone can say they're "exploring for deeper meaning" or something like that, but in reality they could be just looking to get sideways on some purple drank sizzurp for all anyone knows. IMO if one is really looking to find a "purpose" or advance themselves in some way then you're better off going about it sober, because in the long run no drug can help you do that. I'm not saying taking a drug here & there is bad, I do it. I just don't see how any drug can "open the door" or "turn on the light." I'm only in my early 20s but even I already know the older you get, the more sobering life is, and eventually if you're going to face it you have to be sober too. That's just my take though.
 
dokomo said:
Unless you derive all purpose and value from a divine being or religion or something like that, then contribution to society IS the defining factor. I know it sounds terribly harsh, but evolutionarily speaking, it's true. Everything having a "plan" or a "purpose" implies a divine plan and predestination.
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dokomo, im going to have to disagree with you on that one. im not religious and i didnt grow up in a religious family, but at 22 years old ive found that personally, contribution to society is most certainly not the defining factor for a life of value. in your mind, it sounds like success is what dictates one's character. that may be great for you, but ive found that achieving goal of "success" is absolute bullshit..i think people do stupid, selfish things to contribute to a wasteful, downward-spiraling society. maybe im egotistical, but my lifes goal is to be satisfied with myself and my environment. this can only come from genuine, perpetual happiness, which i have not yet attained, but i can assure you its more important to me than other peoples' perspectives.
 
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