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2c-p / 2c-e. treading on thin ice

IME none of the drugs you listed above are weight dependant.

Im a very lite guy but require high doses with ketamine, MDMA, and some PEA's.
While my tolerance for most tryptamines is very low.

i think when dealing with drugs of this nature it really comes down to individual reaction to a particular substance.

I dont think the way you react to 2c-e will certainly tell you how it would be with 2c-p (dose wise and effects)
 
DXM is certainly weight dependent as is Ketamine hence why if you look on erowid it says the doses for K in grams per pound. And if you do a little researh you'll surley find that MDMA dose is recommended at 0.5 to 1.5 mg/kg of body weight.

Yes Delsyd to say that each people experiences things differently is a true fact, but to say that weight has no effect on the administering of drugs is absurd.

and lastly I agree with you on your last statement
 
i've tried 2c-p twice now, once at 9 mg and once at 12. The dosage/response curve is definitely steep, and duration was significantly longer with 12 mg, didn't get fully back to baseline until almost T+24hrs. For a first trip I wouldn't think 10 mg would be irresponsible, but personally i'd go a bit lower, say in the 7-9mg range to get a feel for it, though the visuals & other effects at 9mg were still fairly intense. Also, i'd recommend liquid measurement for this chem, the commonly available scales aren't really accurate enough to properly weigh single doses of this one, unless you're prepared to spend 20 min or so weighing a dose and still have some doubts...
 
Cybion said:
Yes Delsyd to say that each people experiences things differently is a true fact, but to say that weight has no effect on the administering of drugs is absurd.
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i guess we'll have to politely disagree.

My opinion and what I know from personal experience and that of others, that when dealing with drugs that affect the mind so powerfully weight is hardly ever a factor.

i need to use 2mg/lb to achieve a K-hole where as erowid recommends half that.

ive known skinny girls who need large doses of MDMA and big girls who need small doses.
Same for things like Mephedrone and methylone

Once you start dealing with the true psychedelics (trypts and PEA's) your weight stops being a factor entirely.
As most of these have proven to be pretty safe as far as lethal overdoses, the dose is justa matter of how far you wish to take it.

As for DXM, i dont have enough experience with it to make an opinion.
But as with the others above, i have a feeling that its dependant alot more on what and how much your mind can handle than body weight.
 
I agree that the person plays a large factor but there's no doubt that weight plays a large factor. also any major dude I have a mg scale :~D
 
Cybion said:
I agree that the person plays a large factor but there's no doubt that weight plays a large factor. also any major dude I have a mg scale :~D
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so do i, I was referring to AWS type mg scales, or any other fairly affordable ones. They're only accurate to +/- 2-3mg on a good day, and +/- 2-3 mg of 2c-p is a pretty big deal. Even with 2c-e I found a 2 or 3mg difference to be just around the threshold of perceptibility so I didn't have any reticence about weighing up a few doses of 2c-e at a time. The dose response curve with 2c-p is much steeper. And given the extended duration of this one, making a 2-3mg error, could result in having a bad time for a long time

IME, there is a lot of individual variability when it comes to psychs, but i've never noticed that being directly correlated with weight, but i haven't really looked into it that much.
 
As far as I know DXM is the only substance mentioned above where weight comes into play for dosage. Sometimes clinical studies of PEAs/Tryps will use mg/kg dosing but I'm pretty sure that's just a standard for scientific studies.

Everything I've read on serotonergic psychedelics suggests that they work in a manner that makes weight an unimportant factor in dose effectiveness.
 
nearjat Ketamine is certainly weight dependent, check erowid if you need some proof. also any major dude, yeah I know what you mean I plan on using liquid dilution if I go with 2c-p. if I go with 2c-e I think my scale will do just fine
 
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