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demitri amongst the unprepared

Mr Wobble said:
What are you talking about? In what way are 'human's born ready for DMT', and can you provide supporting evidence, or are you merely expressing some quasi-religious dogma?
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My only evidence is that any experienced DMT user will tell you that there is nothing a human can do to prepare for the DMT experience beforehand. It transcends language currently. Experience with meditation, LSD, flying jet planes, skydiving... none of these help prepare one for DMT. There's nothing a wisened 50 year old man possesses that makes him more ready than a drug naive 16 year old to experience a full dose of vaporized DMT.
 
I was definitely not prepared my first time. I thought I was. I'm just glad I am not an inexperienced 16 year old who thinks it's just going to be fun. Yes, it can be fun...but DMT can take you so much deeper than you ever expect. It's my opinion that someone doing it for the wrong reason could be very traumatic. So if OP is saying that these kids are being sold DMT and the kids have no preparation at all, that's a pretty bad situation in my opinion.
 
zenmasterjack said:
Yes, it can be fun...but DMT can take you so much deeper than you ever expect. It's my opinion that someone doing it for the wrong reason could be very traumatic.
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I always get this ominous feeling upon returning from a breakthrough, like this indescribable tingly feeling up my spine that invokes Three Dog Night's "Mama Told Me Not To Come".

It's not like the lysergic daydream of LSD that crawls through your neurons and leaves you feeling awe and wonder.

DMT is different; it is capable of being many things. It is the realm of the shape-shifters, where nothing is as it seems (the shape-shifters are The Mind's personification of unending transformation).

DMT is capable of inducing the most fantastically pure and loving visionary states that mankind could possibly experience; however, it's also quite capable of pulling out this unique brand of tricky mindfuckery that is unquestionably malevolent.

It's hard to describe this phenomenon with language. It feels like this ominous, dark, carnival-magic type vibe: full of "riddle me this" scenarios and absurd propositions that twist your cognition to goo. You try to find some type of reference point in your cognitive world, some ground on which to begin to attempt to conceptualize something, and every attempt to do so is side-stepped with otherworldly cleverness.

I have never encountered such a concentrated presence of the Jungian archetype of "the trickster" than during certain DMT experiences. Carl Jung, in an appendix in Paul Radin’s volume on the subject, says of the trickster: “The trickster is both subhuman and superhuman, a bestial and divine being, whose most alarming characteristic is his unconsciousness. [...] He is so unconscious of himself that his body is not a unity, and his two hands fight each other”.

In short, the trickster embodies extreme paradox and contradiction. Sometimes this contradiction is so severe, and simultaneously so convincingly real, that it results in experiences that are irreconcilable not only with everyday reality, but with the nature of logic itself. Being exposed to such unfathomable experiences can induce a feeling of catastrophic isolation and despair. It can at times be too much to ask anyone to handle.

I'm not trying to say anything bad about DMT: it is certainly my favorite psychedelic. I have truly seen the light with it.

HOWEVER, there's a trickster in there that feeds off of ignorance and lack of preparation. To embark on a DMT breakthrough without understanding the gravity of such an undertaking is just asking to have your psyche raped and pillaged by opportunistic energies (whether they are merely aspect of your own mind or not is, of course, up for debate).

Like I said before: DMT is best given out of love, not sold for profit. It's just too powerful to be dealt with in any other manner.
 
I fully agree with you. To me DMT is an experience which one most come to of their own volition, and not something influenced by the profit driven motives of others. To come to this substance without substantial respect and humility can have quite bad results.
 
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It's crass, and not respectable... And of course illegal...

But i have no major problem with it really - it's not like he's going to result in something getting banned - it's already illegal.
And compared to selling addictive pills or something like many highschool dealers, it's less likely to get someone on a path that will ruin their life.

That sounds kind weird though... what, they sneak out during highschool lunch into someplace on school grounds and blast off into hyperspace? And then go back to fucking class right after it wears off? Kids these days....!
 
Coolio said:
What are you talking about? Humans are born ready for DMT.
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I mean, it definitely feels like that to me as well. But I think that to make such a statement is to make a bit of an ignorant generalization. We might be in a distinct class of psychological profile.
 
TheAzo said:
That sounds kind weird though... what, they sneak out during highschool lunch into someplace on school grounds and blast off into hyperspace? And then go back to fucking class right after it wears off? Kids these days....!
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Chances are they're still going to class on LSD and MDMA like they always have...
 
Roger&Me said:
In short, the trickster embodies extreme paradox and contradiction. Sometimes this contradiction is so severe, and simultaneously so convincingly real, that it results in experiences that are irreconcilable not only with everyday reality, but with the nature of logic itself. Being exposed to such unfathomable experiences can induce a feeling of catastrophic isolation and despair. It can at times be too much to ask anyone to handle.
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That was very well worded Roger, and reminded me of my most intense DMT experience.. i will never forget that sensation of total isolation, plunged into the depths of the void without warning or understanding.

DMT is such a powerful substance, it's not something one can shrug off and forget especially at very high dose's, it can and will leave a permanent mark on the person.. and that person will have to make an effort to understand it otherwise they will become consumed by there own trauma.

I once had a friend who use to use and sell DMT, for profit and for his own sense of self-satisfaction. It would boost his ego to see people so 'mind blown' by this product he was supplying, he was very sketchy and had no proper understanding of the substance as long as people were blown away by it and were willing to buy more, its all he cared for.

Needless to say karma caught up with him, and he ended up in the psychiatric ward for a few months, he's an absolute mess now.. having attempted to try kill himself a few times.

It's definitely not a toy, and can be extremely hard to recover from especially at the age of 16. I do hope this guy comes to understand the magnitude of what he's doing.

I love DMT, it reconnected me with my spirituality, but man.. you have to be prepared, otherwise it can destroy you.
 
Roger&Me said:
I always get this ominous feeling upon returning from a breakthrough, like this indescribable tingly feeling up my spine that invokes Three Dog Night's "Mama Told Me Not To Come".

It's not like the lysergic daydream of LSD that crawls through your neurons and leaves you feeling awe and wonder.

DMT is different; it is capable of being many things. It is the realm of the shape-shifters, where nothing is as it seems (the shape-shifters are The Mind's personification of unending transformation).

DMT is capable of inducing the most fantastically pure and loving visionary states that mankind could possibly experience; however, it's also quite capable of pulling out this unique brand of tricky mindfuckery that is unquestionably malevolent.

It's hard to describe this phenomenon with language. It feels like this ominous, dark, carnival-magic type vibe: full of "riddle me this" scenarios and absurd propositions that twist your cognition to goo. You try to find some type of reference point in your cognitive world, some ground on which to begin to attempt to conceptualize something, and every attempt to do so is side-stepped with otherworldly cleverness.

I have never encountered such a concentrated presence of the Jungian archetype of "the trickster" than during certain DMT experiences. Carl Jung, in an appendix in Paul Radin’s volume on the subject, says of the trickster: “The trickster is both subhuman and superhuman, a bestial and divine being, whose most alarming characteristic is his unconsciousness. [...] He is so unconscious of himself that his body is not a unity, and his two hands fight each other”.

In short, the trickster embodies extreme paradox and contradiction. Sometimes this contradiction is so severe, and simultaneously so convincingly real, that it results in experiences that are irreconcilable not only with everyday reality, but with the nature of logic itself. Being exposed to such unfathomable experiences can induce a feeling of catastrophic isolation and despair. It can at times be too much to ask anyone to handle.

I'm not trying to say anything bad about DMT: it is certainly my favorite psychedelic. I have truly seen the light with it.

HOWEVER, there's a trickster in there that feeds off of ignorance and lack of preparation. To embark on a DMT breakthrough without understanding the gravity of such an undertaking is just asking to have your psyche raped and pillaged by opportunistic energies (whether they are merely aspect of your own mind or not is, of course, up for debate).

Like I said before: DMT is best given out of love, not sold for profit. It's just too powerful to be dealt with in any other manner.
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Holy shit I've never heard someone put this better. Honestly, this specific thing caught me unprepared and raped my consciousness. I'm still suffering from it-- stuck in a mode of hypervigilance about my body and my mind (schizophrenia, cancer, lymphoma [swollen lymph nodes]) thinking one decision is going to send me into a DMT spiral every once in a while-- maybe PTSD? Any suggestions on how to get past this, besides with time?
 
I have taken groups of friends out to the woods in the middle of the night that have experience as minimal as a couple mushrooms trips and given them 40-50mg....

All had powerfully intense breakthrough experiences....

All enjoyed the experience and felt the wonder that is the DMT experience.

Generally though, when we want to introduce someone to the stuff, we throw 100-150mg into a blunt and just pass it around the circle. Quit when you feel your at as much as you can handle.

It allows you to trip as hard as you feel comfortable with....

Just be careful not to put too much into it, because you will probably forget what your smoking and just keep at it. I had a couple friends who threw like 150mg into a blunt and smoked it to themselves.

But while it is a very intense experience, it is also very lucid. Like you might be in hyperspace but you can still think and process it in a non chaotic way....

I have not had a single bad trip on DMT. The smell and taste of it is nothing but a calming embrace that takes me back to a mindset unlike anything else....

I was at a shpongle show tripping utter balls on awesome lucy and suddenly that familiar smell washed over the crowd. You could see all the hippies that knew what was up looking around. It was comforting though....

DMT is like a gift to mankind. Never discourage people from enlightening willing participants with it.

I mean, for people inexperienced with psychedelics that want to try it, I give them a typically sub breakthrough amount. To those wanting to try it that have tripped hard on other psychs, I give them a dose that rocks their shit, and every one of them has thanked me for it after.
 
^ Hm. I'd think you would be. DMT is just really nothing like what you come to expect reading trip reports and BL posts and the like, which I find to convey it with a degree of weirdness that is actually nonexistent in the trip.
 
TheAppleCore said:
^ Hm. I'd think you would be. DMT is just really nothing like what you come to expect reading trip reports and BL posts and the like, which I find to convey it with a degree of weirdness that is actually nonexistent in the trip.
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It's not so much that I feel like I couldn't handle it, I just don't think I'm at a good point in my life right now to be messing with something that powerful.
 
In some ways I think everyone and no one can be really be prepared for what DMT does, but that is different from saying there is no point in informing someone of the effects to be expected.
Someone who offers DMT to persons should be very clear about the way it alters the way you see the world and that it can change your view on life.

DMT is one of the things, even more so than mushrooms or LSD, that I don't consider a drug but more than that, other than that, it transcends it.

The profit thing saddens me as well, selling among initiated should be fine by my standards but 'slanging' to just anyone who hasnt asked for it nor is deeply into the psy scene sounds very wrong and irresponsible.

I tripped the first time not knowing what psychedelics REALLY do, and had a ++++ life changing experience my second time. I wouldnt take it back but know of people who went psycho later on.
Such a decision should be made well informed, consciously and deeply considered.

Selling DMT like that is also like selling sacramental bread to people that are just naturally hungry.
 
I disagree with anyone who has a problem with the profit motive. DMT is fairly hard to find; many have roommates that prevent them from doing an extraction. Those with the most interest in DMT tend to be poor; I've met few wealthy DMT users. Those who want to spread the 'hyperelves message' also tend to be poor, and the only way most of them are going to be able to do it is if they profit off of it. If you leave DMT distribution to rich philanthropists, or self-experimentation by those with the foresight to extract their own, nobody's ever going to get a chance to try it.
 
Coolio said:
I disagree with anyone who has a problem with the profit motive. DMT is fairly hard to find; many have roommates that prevent them from doing an extraction. Those with the most interest in DMT tend to be poor; I've met few wealthy DMT users. Those who want to spread the 'hyperelves message' also tend to be poor, and the only way most of them are going to be able to do it is if they profit off of it. If you leave DMT distribution to rich philanthropists, or self-experimentation by those with the foresight to extract their own, nobody's ever going to get a chance to try it.
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You raise a good point about the near-necessity of profiting by creating the stuff. I think your friend ought to have it for people who already know about it, and maybe if people inquire to share his knowledge. there's a difference between sharing information to the curious and trying to push a sale on someone.
 
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