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Arrests over 'backyard chemist's' dirty drugs

By Phoebe Stewart

Police have arrested two men over a contaminated drug made by a "backyard chemist" that put six people in hospital last week.

The six were hospitalised after they were seen collapsing and acting in erratic behaviour in Darwin's CBD, after taking an unknown drug.

Police say the drug has been revealed as a mixture of a phenethylamine, known as 2CP, and ethylcathinone.

A second drug seized during raids around Darwin has been identified as a mixture of caffeine and a tryptamine, similar to a drug known as DMT.

The seizures of 2CP and tryptamine are the first of their kind in the Territory.

"We still aren't entirely sure which one caused the severe reaction but suspect it was the 2CP and ethylcathinone mixture," Detective Superintendent Matt Hollamby said.

"It is reasonably clear that these drugs were made up by an incompetent backyard chemist.

"Fortunately nobody died as a result of taking these dangerous concoctions."

The men, aged 21 and 26, are facing drug possession charges and will appear in court at a later date.
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ABC News http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/20/2959149.htm?section=justin
 
Farrrrk 2C-P and ethylcathinone! What kind of asshole pumps out caps of that???

That is insane. 8-12mg of 2C-P has a come up of 2-3 hours and a duration of up to 16 hours.

2C-P is quite the phenethylamine for the connoisseur, but definitely not one for the faint hearted or non psychedelic user.

I would like to know what the tryptamine mixed with caffeine is, AMT maybe? Maybe something even more obscure
 
Verybuffed said:
ABC News http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/20/2959149.htm?section=justin
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"made by a "backyard chemist" - RC's imported and mixed by a fuckwit I'd imagine, or they're using "got em from a mate who knew a mate who made it" excuse to not let on about importing RC's

"has been identified as a mixture of caffeine and a tryptamine, similar to a drug known as DMT." I'm guessing either 4-aco-dmt or 5-meo-dalt as I'm pretty sure I know the vendor that this stuff came from. You'd need to put a ton of caffeine in there to bulk out a cap though :-\

With the proliferation of RC's it seems people are looking to make their caps better than the others, which in turn leads to mixtures. What happens when people start mixing a 2c-tx with MAOI properties because "it fukken blows your head off, and I don't have to put so much drone/lone/4-fa into a cap" At the moment there are Drone/2c caps floating around my neck of the woods, at about 3mg per cap at my estimate. I don't know how they're mixed, but could possibly see some people getting a bit more than they asked for, especially if they just mixed like 10g of drone with a corresponding amount of 2c and stirred, as a brazil nut effect could happen with the crystal drone and powder 2c. I wouldn't want to try any of the end batches if this is so
 
PsiloSubNaut said:
2C-P is quite the phenethylamine for the connoisseur, but definitely not one for the faint hearted or non psychedelic user.
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Especially the difference in a say 10 to 16mg dose.
From PIHKAL "There was one report of an experience in which a single dosage of 16 mg was clearly an overdose, with the entire experiment labeled a physical disaster, not to be repeated"
I somehow doubt these guys put much thought into this other than 2c-p=strong and trippy, ethcathinone = speedy. Their mg scales (if used) were probably a $20 ebay job
 
It's definitely imported from vendors. These dick heads make it harder for those who use these substances with respect and not to make a quick buck.

That PIHKAL entry on 16mg 2C-P was from someone who relived a bad childhood experience during the trip.

Shulgin later went on to say that it was a psychosomatic episode brought on by the 2C-P and the misleading entry lead to a lot of people skipping 2C-P as a phenethylamine that they wished to use.

All phens have a small dose response curve and a double dose of any of them will leave any but the strongest minded trippers running for cover. Whether it be 2C-P, 2C-I, 2C-E etc...

4-aco-DMT and 5-meo-dalt are both nice tryptamines. It would also be sad to hear these substances had been capped up and sold for profit to unknowing pill poppers.
 
PsiloSubNaut said:
It's definitely imported from vendors. These dick heads make it harder for those who use these substances with respect and not to make a quick buck.

That PIHKAL entry on 16mg 2C-P was from someone who relived a bad childhood experience during the trip.

Shulgin later went on to say that it was a psychosomatic episode brought on by the 2C-P and the misleading entry lead to a lot of people skipping 2C-P as a phenethylamine that they wished to use.

All phens have a small dose response curve and a double dose of any of them will leave any but the strongest minded trippers running for cover. Whether it be 2C-P, 2C-I, 2C-E etc...

4-aco-DMT and 5-meo-dalt are both nice tryptamines. It would also be sad to hear these substances had been capped up and sold for profit to unknowing pill poppers.
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Thanks for clearing that up on the 2c-p front! Just from reading that I assumed the dose/response curve was more pronounced that the other 2c-x's

4-aco-dmt or 5-meo-dalt would be an interesting experience when expecting a cathinone, especially the stimulation from the caffeine :S Even having low doses of 2-c in caps was interesting until I knew what was going on
 
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News: Arrests over 'backyard chemist's' dirty drugs

Police have arrested two men over a contaminated drug made by a "backyard chemist" that put six people in hospital last week.

The six were hospitalised after they were seen collapsing and acting in erratic behaviour in Darwin's CBD, after taking an unknown drug.

Police say the drug has been revealed as a mixture of a phenethylamine, known as 2CP, and ethylcathinone.

A second drug seized during raids around Darwin has been identified as a mixture of caffeine and a tryptamine, similar to a drug known as DMT.

The seizures of 2CP and tryptamine are the first of their kind in the Territory.

"We still aren't entirely sure which one caused the severe reaction but suspect it was the 2CP and ethylcathinone mixture," Detective Superintendent Matt Hollamby said.

"It is reasonably clear that these drugs were made up by an incompetent backyard chemist.

"Fortunately nobody died as a result of taking these dangerous concoctions."

The men, aged 21 and 26, are facing drug possession charges and will appear in court at a later date.


found here: http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/7612197/arrests-over-backyard-chemists-dirty-drugs/



So what they are saying is these guys manufactured these drugs in their own Clandestine Lab???? I highly doubt it, Can you shine some light on this one PD?
 
highly highly highly doubt they are making 2c-p in their backyard, ethylcathinone, maybe, but most likely just bought it off the same site they bought their 2c-p off.
I think this 'Backyard Chemists' is over the top, it's more like, 'Indoor kids with creditcards'.

I feel sorry for the people who unknowlingly took 2c-p, pretty intense drug to give randoms, specially if they double dropped on them :| It's a damn shame though that 2c-p is taking a fall,
 
Psiphi said:
Thanks for clearing that up on the 2c-p front! Just from reading that I assumed the dose/response curve was more pronounced that the other 2c-x's

4-aco-dmt or 5-meo-dalt would be an interesting experience when expecting a cathinone, especially the stimulation from the caffeine :S Even having low doses of 2-c in caps was interesting until I knew what was going on
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No problem.

All 2C-*'s have a similar dose response curve. 2C-P is more potent and needs to be treated with the most caution, but add a few mg to any synthetic phenethylamine dose and you will be amazed at the increase in effects.

I'm an avid enthusiast of the 2C-* range and have studied them well beyond PIHKAL. 2C-P always looked like a good chemical, but that one write up in PIHKAL stalled it's passage into most phenethylamine users hands. It wasn't until the truth about the write up surfaced that anyone decided to make/use it. Psychosomatic states aren't all that uncommon on good doses of these chemicals. I suffered one on a decent dose of 2C-I a couple of years ago and it was far from fun.

The use of 2C-P is definitely increasing after many good reports being written online in the past couple of years. Most doses are in the range of 6-12mg. 12mg being very strong and some people having quite difficult experiences with 8mg.

The only reason that 2C-P would have been used in these caps is for it's potency. It's roughly the same price per gram as the weaker phenethylamines so these greedy bastards would have chosen it for that exact reason. More doses from less product=bigger returns $$$

The long come up would have made heaps of people re-dose and this is most likely where the problems started.

I doubt that the guys who were pumping these out understood that the come up was nearly twice that of other 2C-*'s available from vendors.

I personally don't believe caffeine would have too much of an effect on the synthetic tryptamines. I quite enjoyed 5-meo-dalt in varying doses and have used it on stronger stimulants than caffeine.
 
^ Psilo, could you please expand on your experience of a psychosomatic state? This is something I have not really heard about before, other then the experience bringing up memories or thoughts which lead to physical symptoms of anxiety.
 
Certainly

Psychosomatic - descriptive of physical symptoms (real or perceived) that are caused by some form of psychological stress.

This psychosomatic state is usually brought on when one is confronted with their own ego whilst in a deep psychedelic state. It can also be brought on when suppressed memories are brought forward during a trip.

It tends to be more common and also more severe on high doses of phenehylamines than it is with high doses of other psychedelics. The worst ego death trips and accompanying psychological states that I have witnessed have been on high doses of 2C's or mixtures of 2C's with stimulants, especially MDPV.

It's not pretty. It is difficult for both the tripper and the trip sitter to work through such high psychological distress.

Triggers for this state are different in all people. Until it is brought on, it is hard to know what will push you over the edge.

I recommend not pushing your limits in new environments or around people who you don't really know.
 
It is funny how they refer to them as "backyard chemists" just so they can reinforce that the drugs are dirty or something. It seems pretty obvious the chemicals in question were imported and mixed into caps, it is sad but not surprising to see this is going on. The best thing anyone can do right now is avoid any "ecstasy" like products as it seems one is much more likely to get fucked up random junk than even a low dose of something worthwhile.
 
^Yep...I myself was just waiting for something like this to pop up in the news. Where there is money (there always will be due to the huge deamand for ecstasy and "supposed" ecstasy-like products) there is a very likely risk of inducing harmful ecstasy-substitutes at this point of time.

It's just best off to avoid anything being sold as ecstasy at all. The chances of it actually being MDMA are so slimb it just isn't worth the risk. When will people learn?....
 
Sameria said:
It's just best off to avoid anything being sold as ecstasy at all. The chances of it actually being MDMA are so slimb it just isn't worth the risk. When will people learn?....
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My guess is never, some people on here who know how shit the pill market is still buy pills, most pill poppers don't have a clue and if the educated ones aren't even rejecting it fully I don't see much chance of a change. :|
 
a pill testing kit could have prevented all of these hospital trips...that is if the testers didn't still consume the suspect caps even after they saw the results.
 
misteee said:
wow, and i found 2CI terrible... i think ill never touch 2CP
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What didn't you like about it mistee?

There are some distinguishable differences between the two.

2C-I is probably one of the least smooth 'commonly used' synthetic phenethylamines.

I personally like it for it's potency and strong visual aspect.

Maybe phenethylamines aren't your cup of tea?

You more than likely had too much for a first time with this compound. Do you know what dosage you took by any chance?

Low doses of 2C-I have proven to be quite the aphrodesiac. Myself and many others can vouch for that ;)

Large doses of these compounds are quite unsettling if you don't know what you are in for and they tend to have a rough come up.
 
Mixing 2C's with LSD should only be done by experienced trippers in very comfortable environments. Definitely my favorite trippy combo, but one that I take a lot of precautions with.

If you get the chance, try 2C-B mistee. If you don't enjoy this extremely smooth phenethylamine then I doubt you will enjoy any of them.

As for the bad reactions from the people consuming these caps. They would have had no idea what was happening when they started to experience the 2C-P comeup and would have panicked. I seriously doubt many, if any of them would have prior experiences with phenethylamines or any other psychs. I'm sure there was one or 2 people in Darwin who had a rocking time on them. Just as I did on the infamous orange triangle pills which were LSD and not MDMA. Half the club freaked out and thought they were dying and many went to hospital. Myself and my best mate dropped 2 more and just walked around the city for 8 hours :)
 
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