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LSD + 2C-E - New Experience

Sandozer

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This is the first trip report I've ever written, so pardon my vagueness.

Yesterday a friend and I tried this beautiful combination and I had the most intense mind blowing experience in my life.

Dosage: 2 pretty strong blotters from a Grateful Dead art sheet (estimated 100 - 130µg each).
13mg 2C-E diluted in a 10mg/mL solution.

They were administered at the same time; I hypothesized that the LSD would kick in faster because usually within 20 - 25 minutes I can start to feel LSD, and usually about 45 minutes to an hour in I can start to feel 2C-E.

I was correct in my hypothesis that the LSD would kick in faster. 30 minutes in I was tripping hard on the LSD. I'm assuming that about 15 minutes later the 2C-E kicked in because at that point the trip got INTENSE. But intense in an extremely good way.

I've never done DMT before, well I have but it was just a threshold dose. But based on my research of DMT experiences (and yes I've read Strassman's book), this experience was sort of similar. I felt some sorts of entities around me and inside me, it's hard to explain. Extremely fractal-like.

The OEVs and CEVs were the among most intense (if not the most intense) I have ever experienced. The CEVs were mindblowingly insane, something I can only describe as the whole world and all of its objects turning inside out and imploding on themselves, a constantly transforming object, almost like how the gravitational field from a black hole curves back on itself.

The synesthetic effects were also intense and were helped brought about via the use of Shpongle's album "Tales of the Inexpressible" with headphones. Intense indescribable CEVs ensued, and OEV's too.

I was extremely satisfied with this combination. I look forward to experimenting with it again in the near future.
 
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I like your username. :} Thanks for posting this, because I've been curious about this combination for a while! I've heard that 2c-e is "competitive for receptors", so that mixing it wouldn't really work too well because 2c-e would block the effect of the other hallucinogen. But I couldn't really find many actual trip reports. Reading yours helped!
 
Given my experiences with 2c-e+MDMA and 2c-e+DXM and 2c-e+n2o...I am going to have to agree by default that 2c-e+LSD would be pretty mind-blowing.

chaos, competitive is probably true, and 2c-e is very overwhelming if you do too much of it. If you're going to combo with it I would recommend an absolute max dose of 16mg (12-16 seems ideal for comboing, and remember to halve your dose if snorting) because any more and you're going to overwhelm and waste the other drug. When I did MDMA with it, it was not as if I had taken a different substance altogether, but rather that I was rolling and tripping on 2c-e at the same time and could decide at will whether to experience one or the other. The yin-yang effect of comparing/contrasting the two experiences in real-time was the most therapeutic and "human" trip I've ever had, if you search around BL you'll find my reports on it.

2c-e comes in waves so if nothing else if you don't overdo it then you'll have many little windows of complete sobriety in between the trip experience, and if you're taking something else in combo then the in-and-out waves will give you stronger concentrations of the other drug during the in-between parts.

I also have done 2c-e with salvia divinorum, surprisingly 2c-e kills the majority of salvia's overwhelming OOBE, and as much as salvia always overwhelms everything else, in combo with 2c-e it is almost as if it isn't there, and at least for me it seems like it takes 30 minutes to kick in, after which I start seeing much crazier visuals and have really weird headspace that lasts for 30-90 minutes instead of the usual 1 minute come-up and 5 minute trip. So the combo has a very strange effect that while interesting, I haven't found enjoyable enough to repeat.

I also am curious about comboing 2c-e and K, I imagine it would be very similar to comboing with DXM but with shorter duration (especially if I decided to cut the K with 2c-e and snort it), shorter duration would appeal to me because I feel like I lose a day after a 2c-e+DXM trip.


I've yet to try LSD, and am hopeful of acquiring some in the next week or two...I will of course do it by itself first to get the hang of it first, but I have no doubt that this combo is in my future...

Thank you Sandozer for the trip report, it sounds very similar to my first 2c-e+DXM experience. I hope I haven't derailed your thread too much with 2c-e combo talk, I'm just excited for you and I genuinely feel like 2c-e is one of the most amazing substances ever if dosed correctly.

I do appreciate your continued insightful posts Sandozer. I'll have to check out the album you've recommended here as I've not heard of it.
 
girlygrrl said:
chaos, competitive is probably true, and 2c-e is very overwhelming if you do too much of it. If you're going to combo with it I would recommend an absolute max dose of 16mg (12-16 seems ideal for comboing, and remember to halve your dose if snorting) because any more and you're going to overwhelm and waste the other drug. When I did MDMA with it, it was not as if I had taken a different substance altogether, but rather that I was rolling and tripping on 2c-e at the same time and could decide at will whether to experience one or the other. The yin-yang effect of comparing/contrasting the two experiences in real-time was the most therapeutic and "human" trip I've ever had, if you search around BL you'll find my reports on it.
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I like reading trip reports; I'll check out yours. :D And I just combined two psilocin analogs with a max of 12mg, fitting in with your suggestion. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=512088 <--Trip report
 
Thanks chaos, I really enjoy your posts. I will check out your trip report and comment on when I have a chance ;)

I'm getting some 4-aco-met either today (if I have time to pick it up) or next weekend and have been getting very curious about Psilocin analogues...

Anyway I posted about my experience with "sparkle-flipping" (2c-e+MDMA) here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=429322
 
I've included more information on the mental aspects of the trip. Here it is.

Thought loops galore, and the feeling of transcending higher dimensions. Picture this thing but made of fractals.
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My friend and I had conversations without talking, and sometimes when we were talking it felt like we were holding multiple conversations at once. Sort of a telepathic feeling.

Also concepts and thought patterns reminiscent of traveling along the surface of a klein bottle in 4 dimensional space. If you are not familiar with the klien bottle it looks like this. It's a 3 dimensional object with only one side like a mobius strip.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle

And the feeling that that the fabric of space-time was in tatters. Ill copy something I posted on my facebook status. (the snail thing happened when my friend and I stumbled upon a snail while we were tripping balls. I'm always looking for fractals in nature.)It reads as follows:

"The fibonacci sequence is peering deeply into my soul through the eyes of an elegantly evolved snail.

Just had the gnarliest mindblowingly intense fucking trip ever tripped on the planet. Hovering interdimensional Self-transforming machine-elves invaded my brain whilst the whole world imploded into itself and then exploded into trillions of stars (fractal mindfuck stars who can perceive) and the stars could see me. I knew they were there and they knew that I knew they were there.

....All of which then imploded into itself and the process repeated itself a million times for each second that ticked by."

I wrote that status while still tripping. I tried my best to explain it but it's hard!
 
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chaosbydesign said:
I like your username. :} Thanks for posting this, because I've been curious about this combination for a while! I've heard that 2c-e is "competitive for receptors", so that mixing it wouldn't really work too well because 2c-e would block the effect of the other hallucinogen. But I couldn't really find many actual trip reports. Reading yours helped!
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Thanks a lot glad I helped out a bit! It surprises me how many people have not yet either tried this combination or documented their experience with it. I've been a dedicated psychedelic researcher since December 7th 2007; the date of my first acid trip. (I took Psilocybe Cubensis a few times when I was 15, but I was immature and uneducated about psychedelics which resulted in a horrible trip, so the importance of the experience sort of flew over my head, but my first mushroom trip was very important. But not nearly as important as my first acid trip.) So I'm not that experienced yet but I'll get there. Almost 3 years of research now.

I didn't try 2C-E until about 3 months ago and it's the only RC I've tried. I want to try 4-AcO-DMT next and if I like it I'll try combining it with LSD and also with 2C-E. I'm also interested in 2C-T-2 (maybe 2C-C) and 2C-I. However, I'm not the hugest fan of entactogens so my research with the 2C family may end with 2-C-T-2, unless of course one of my friends gets 2C-I or something. And as for 2C-C there's something I don't like about a substance taking 2 hours to kick in.

As for my username, when I was making my account it asked for the username and that name popped into my head in like a millisecond, it was awesome. hahaha.
 
Sandozer, you rock. I am so happy for you that you're seeing what you're seeing. I'm having a hell of a hard time acquiring LSD but I do believe it is the one substance that I'm supposed to try and haven't done yet. Just the time is not quite ripe, it's like I need a couple more 2c-e trips to fully prepare my mind before I'll be granted access to LSD. But together in combination I imagine will be the ultimate mindfuck and I don't doubt that I will be doing this combo at some point in the future.
 
girlygrrl said:
Sandozer, you rock. I am so happy for you that you're seeing what you're seeing. I'm having a hell of a hard time acquiring LSD but I do believe it is the one substance that I'm supposed to try and haven't done yet. Just the time is not quite ripe, it's like I need a couple more 2c-e trips to fully prepare my mind before I'll be granted access to LSD. But together in combination I imagine will be the ultimate mindfuck and I don't doubt that I will be doing this combo at some point in the future.
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If you can handle 2C-E well then LSD will almost be child's play, in my opinion at least (just my opinion I'm not recommending anything, everybody is different.). It definitely blows your mind. Even small doses of it are interesting to me because of the nootropic effect they have.

The first time I took LSD I didn't know too much about it; my friends and I discovered Erowid at the ripe age of 14 so we have always done our research before taking a substance, but I wasn't obsessed with it until I tried it.

I was 17. My friend had some and I wanted to try it really bad so he gave me two white blotters, I took them and when I started tripping it was like I found what I was looking for in life this whole time. Like I said before, I didn't know too much about it but when I started tripping I realized that there was something extremely important here, more important than anything else I could fathom.

I felt closer to reality. I felt like this is the way things should be, and upon further research I found that that's exactly what LSD does; show you the world from a broader perspective. I had a hunch and because that hunch was true I became obsessed.

What's nice about LSD compared to 2C-E is that one can take a relatively high dose of it without having to worry about puking or body load, and what's even nicer about it is the 57 years of research that's been conducted on it.

Did 2C-E give you the same sort of experience your first time?

It's weird because in my town or region most of the people who have tried LSD have never even heard of 2C-E. Was it the first psychedelic you tried?

I wonder what it would be like to have tried 2C-E before LSD, because LSD changed my life so much.

Man that's a trip to think about.
 
It is kind of my understanding that LSD gives you the enlightened mental space without the heavy body load. I feel like the info I'm receiving from the beyond just needs to get a little more solid so I really "get it" and then when LSD comes my way I can connect up to the "lifeforce" or what have you easier without having to disrupt daily life so much.

Short of Salvia or DMT I just really don't see any drug being stronger than 2c-e, and those two do not last for long periods of time so I consider 2c-e to be stronger based on its duration.

My first 2c-e experience was rough. I took 22-24mg in a capsule and it took like 2.5 hours to kick in, then I was puking for a good 90 minutes. It was still at +++ at T+13 before I finally started coming down. I have a TR here...

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=506343

It wasn't a "fun" trip for the most part, I had no idea something this strong even existed and was completely blown away by it. However something opened up for me that was impactful enough to where I wanted to figure out what it was all about and so I read as much as I could about it on Erowid.

Something "clicked" when I read Shulgin's description of "difficult but rewarding"...that really sums the substance up nicely and that simple statement motivated me to figure out how to see what it had to offer.

The first psychedelic I tried was Shrooms. I had a really incredible experience that opened me up to a completely different reality. I don't plan to do them again because I've discovered (but haven't yet tried) 4-aco-dmt and now that I'm out of my "party" phase the control freak in me loves to scientifically tweak and accurately measure dosages to create easy-to-replicate experiences.

I feel like I'm finally starting to understand the real nature of the universe and why things are set up the way they are and why things are so corrupt and broken. I feel like I'm being positioned mentally to help further some cause to heal people and reduce suffering on a larger scale.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I didn't try any drugs until I turned 21 and am somewhat of a late bloomer in that regard. It wasn't until a few years after I tried various things that I discovered Erowid, and have only recently discovered BL this year. So I just really wasn't that aware that positive information on these things existed and that experiences were being shared and people were helping each other.

Like the E information here on BL has completely opened my eyes to an entirely new world. Learning about getting pure molly vs. buying pressed pills and reading up on the post-dosing regimens has allowed me to experience MDMA the way it was intended to be experienced. I feel like sites like this are really helping me find my true path without harming my health in the process and in fact enhancing the experiences, so the whole harm reduction vibe is resonating with me quite a bit.

Between 2c-e and MDMA I feel pretty much like all the info I need about the universe is here for me, but both of them do take enough out of me that if I can gain access to LSD soon that would allow me to cut way back on these stronger drugs so that I can stay connected but be able to space the stronger trips out further so that they are less distracting from the other responsibilities I have in life.
 
I remember that TR. 'Twas a good one. See for me I knew about Pihkal, Tihkal, and BL 2 and a half years before I tried 2C-E. And when I finally tried it a few months ago it was exactly how I thought it was going to be, however it was still a very enlightening experience just because of the sheer concept of 2C-E; who knows what the next revolutionary psychedelic will be? You know? I've been lurking on BL for years but didn't make an account until April of this year, right after I tried 2C-E. :)

The thing about independent psychedelic research is the fact that you have to work it around your normal life. It would be nice if I had a shitload of money and could just sit on a pile of various psychedelics all day but sadly that ain't true. Did you know that "ain't" is a word now?

I love MDMA, but it's not quite my bag. If I want to feel good I'll take opiates. The reason I don't like MDMA is because I don't feel like myself on it; I feel like I'm being forced to love everything. But it does feel damn good though. Plus I'm never hooking up with girls so I feel there's no need to take it. Every time I take MDMA I do it with reluctance because my friends peer pressure me into it. They are always like "dude take it man take it!" and I'm always like "OK FINE I'll take it". I never have a bad time though. I just like to stick to drugs with lower neurotoxicity. Yes I know alcohol has higher neurotoxicity and all but hey I never felt depressed as fuck after my buzz wore off.

With LSD nobody can even tell I'm tripping a lot of the time, and I feel I'm diving into my subconscious mind. I once held a door open for a cop while I was tripping face on LSD and he didn't even know, I was cracking up inside at the irony of it. Now that was a magical moment hahaha.


I have tried a threshold dose of DMT (I guess you could say it was a (+) ) but I haven't actually had a real experience. It's definitely next on my list though. I just smoked some of the stuff that was left over on my friends deemy pipe and it was like a weird 30mcg acid trip for a few minutes. But it made me want to dive into the experience though. That's not what I'm going to do at first but eventually I'm going to Terence McKenna that shit and take 3 giant rips.

Sorry for the nonlinear composition of my posts, I can't help it sometimes.
 
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Sandozer said:
I've been lurking on BL for years but didn't make an account until April of this year, right after I tried 2C-E. :)
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That's interesting...April was when I discovered the RC scene...

Sandozer said:
The thing about independent psychedelic research is the fact that you have to work it around your normal life. It would be nice if I had a shitload of money and could just sit on a pile of various psychedelics all day but sadly that ain't true.
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Yeah I hear you. I'm lucky in that I control my own schedule. I'm a bit of a workoholic and have worked days on end without stopping, but then I can afford to take 2 or 3 days off without much interruption.

But still I don't quite have the finances to sit around and chill in never-never land...

i'm almost "there" with my 2c-e experiences so whenever I can get LSD then I can get more focused on the other areas of life so I can re-integrate all these experiences without losing as much time. I hear LSD has time dilation and I am interested in that as well because 12 hours that feels like 60 would definitely give me enough thinking time to integrate some stuff.

Sandozer said:
Did you know that "ain't" is a word now?
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Sounds like one for the "fact of the day" thread on the NMI. ;)

Sandozer said:
I love MDMA, but it's not quite my bag. If I want to feel good I'll take opiates. The reason I don't like MDMA is because I don't feel like myself on it; I feel like I'm being forced to love everything. But it does feel damn good though. Plus I'm never hooking up with girls so I feel there's no need to take it. Every time I take MDMA I do it with reluctance because my friends peer pressure me into it. They are always like "dude take it man take it!" and I'm always like "OK FINE I'll take it". I never have a bad time though. I just like to stick to drugs with lower neurotoxicity. Yes I know alcohol has higher neurotoxicity and all but hey I never felt depressed as fuck after my buzz wore off.
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Your opinion of MDMA is almost exactly how I felt about it a couple months ago. Then my friend from out of town was supposed to visit but couldn't because of a death in the family. So I got a bit depressed about her not coming and popped the molly that I'd bought for our reunion and it opened my eyes in a way that I haven't seen before. Doing it alone you'd think would drive you crazy because it makes you so chatty it seems, but I found the opposite effect, it became very deep and introspective.

But what really blew me away was comboing molly with 2c-e...seriously you gotta open yourself up to trying that sometime. I wrote up a TR somewhere about that on the "sparkle-flipping" thread.

I also had the worries about depression and neurotoxicity. But BL's resources completely fixed that for me. I can do molly without getting depressed, ALA and 5-HTP kill almost all of the downside to doing it, the only negative I feel is feeling kind of tired from lack of sleep or if I get low blood sugar because I forget to eat.

Just take it by yourself and see if you can combo it with 2c-e...the forced happy vs. the keep it real is a total yin-yang and is very empowering. You can switch between the experiences at will and completely understand both sides of the coin and take what you want from each to be way more centered.

Sandozer said:
With LSD nobody can even tell I'm tripping a lot of the time, and I feel I'm diving into my subconscious mind. I once held a door open for a cop while I was tripping face on LSD and he didn't even know, I was cracking up inside at the irony of it. Now that was a magical moment hahaha.
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That sounds freaking awesome ;) I gotta get some of that stuff.

Sandozer said:
I have tried a threshold dose of DMT (I guess you could say it was a (+) ) but I haven't actually had a real experience. It's definitely next on my list though. I just smoked some of the stuff that was left over on my friends deemy pipe and it was like a weird 30mcg acid trip for a few minutes. But it made me want to dive into the experience though. That's not what I'm going to do at first but eventually I'm going to Terence McKenna that shit and take 3 giant rips.
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I've not done deemy yet, my friend has some and is willing to share but I don't have a crackpipe or adequate scale to dabble with it yet. Had some good experiences with Sally. Seems best though when comboed with DXM or K...it can get too overwhelming too fast.

Sandozer said:
Sorry for the nonlinear composition of my posts, I can't help it sometimes.
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I suffer from the same "go off on tangents" bug. LOL 8)
 
I'm hoping to try this combination myself sometime. Did you notice much of a bodyload once the 2C-E kicked in?
 
ikkyu said:
I'm hoping to try this combination myself sometime. Did you notice much of a bodyload once the 2C-E kicked in?
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The LSD took care of any body load, but then again it was only 13mg. It may have actually been 14mg but we'll just leave it at 13mg for now.

This was definitely a (++++) experience. I forgot to mention that, not that I had to if you've read this whole thread.
 
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