Acid Trip Leaves Me Questioning

[Dekanozov]

I took acid two nights ago and it was unlike any trip I have ever had. I've done acid and other hallucinogens many times before, and still nothing was comparable to what happened.
I'm wondering if I had some kind of psychotic break or other facet of my mental illness 'awakened' for lack of better word, by the tab I took.
I posted a thread in Trip Reports about it, which you can read here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=512449

Last night when I was alone I was really uncomfortable thinking about what happened, and fearing that I might somehow encounter some facets of the trip again. I've never been 'disturbed' by anything drugs have done to me in the past.

As was pointed out to me, there is a possibility that my psych medication may have had an impact on my trip. The weird thing is that since I've been on this particular cocktail, LSD has not impacted me at all. Even larger doses have had no effect, so I was not expecting to be thrown on my ass by one tab. The medications I currently take are Lexapro, Geodon, Neurontin and Vyvanse.

So what the hell happened to me? Have any of you had similar experiences?
I really look forward to gaining some insight on this.

 

[CallMeGod.]

I am no expert, but I'd imagine whatever you are prescribed both Lexapro and Vyvanse for probably had something to do with this.

 

[n3ophy7e]

The weird thing is that since I've been on this particular cocktail, LSD has not impacted me at all. Even larger doses have had no effect, so I was not expecting to be thrown on my ass by one tab. The medications I currently take are Lexapro, Geodon, Neurontin and Vyvanse.

Hmmm, I am also inclined to say that it had something to do with the meds you're on. Just because this didn't happen before when you took acid while being on these meds, doesn't mean that it wasn't going to eventually happen...know what I mean?

I think the main thing for you to do is to lay off all recreational drugs for a good long while, let yourself get over this bad trip. In the meantime just monitor yourself and if you think anything strange is developing in your behaviour or thought patterns e.g. depressive pr chronic anxious symptoms etc, see your doctor/psych and tell them exactly what's happened.

I think (hope) it was just a bad trip, and because you'd never had one before you really weren't prepared for it. It can take a while to recover from the paranoia, fear and confusion after a bad trip but it will pass with time. In the meantime just focus on being healthy, get some exercise a few times a week, eat lots of fresh fruits and vegies and drink plenty of water. These things will help you recover more quickly.

Take care, and let us know how you're going

 

[diche]

when you refer to "unlike any other trip" is something Ive found in myself. my theory is that as we age our subjective experince with drugs changes. also with how many times you've used said substance. There was a point when I realized that I was trying to get high and feel the way I did back then when I began to try them out. this may not be the case for you, but of all the times I've heard "I think Im permently changed" after a heavy trip is true, but its never as bad as its perceived. that fucked up state of mind is to be expected. dont really remember the point I was making, hope this provides some insight

 

[Counterintuitive]

Why didn't you bother asking your doctor or psychiatrist about the potential dangers of taking something like, LSD ,with the medications you're prescribed? They are not the police; they are there as a means of medical care and support. Granted, I don't think a single one would advise you to take LSD, regardless of whether or not you're prescribed any medication. But they most certainly would not lie upon being asked what potential dangers could come from taking LSD with the aforementioned medications. That would constitute a potential lawsuit for malpractice, which they are acutely aware of. More-over, money and lawsuits set aside; they care about your health. If they didn't, being young and preceptive, you should be able to pick up on that fairly easily given any substantial length of time under their care. That's almost besides the point, anyway...

I am unable to understand why you, and so many others, don't ask your physician's these kinds of questions. I made an attempt to think of the obvious reasons that I would be concerned, but all I can think of is an unnecessary fear or lapse of judgment. The saying still goes, even if LSD does not complicate with your medications. I hope that wasn't too abrasive.

 

[n3ophy7e]

^^ Dude, simmer down. I see where you're coming from and I agree to a certain extent. But what's done is done now, and I am sure that Dekanosov knows what he did was foolish without being berated by anyone on here. That's not why he posted in here.

 

[Mr_Fluffykins]

the sting of a bad trip lasts some time, but there are nuggets of helpfullness in bad trips (at least in my own experience) ive followed SOME of the advice and ideas from trips, but i also don't look to deeply into them, becasue they really are just manifestations of alll your thoughts and subconsios emotions and a mix of ration, irational, logical, and illogical thought,

you wanna take the good from the trip not the bad, dwelll on positive is how i try to live

 

[Dekanozov]

Why didn't you bother asking your doctor or psychiatrist about the potential dangers of taking something like, LSD ,with the medications you're prescribed? They are not the police; they are there as a means of medical care and support. Granted, I don't think a single one would advise you to take LSD, regardless of whether or not you're prescribed any medication. But they most certainly would not lie upon being asked what potential dangers could come from taking LSD with the aforementioned medications. That would constitute a potential lawsuit for malpractice, which they are acutely aware of. More-over, money and lawsuits set aside; they care about your health. If they didn't, being young and preceptive, you should be able to pick up on that fairly easily given any substantial length of time under their care. That's almost besides the point, anyway...

I am unable to understand why you, and so many others, don't ask your physician's these kinds of questions. I made an attempt to think of the obvious reasons that I would be concerned, but all I can think of is an unnecessary fear or lapse of judgment. The saying still goes, even if LSD does not complicate with your medications. I hope that wasn't too abrasive.

That wasn't abrasive at all, and I see your point.
My doctor knows of my drug use. She does not encourage it, however. Whatever bad decisions I make are my own and I am fully competent of that fact.
Don't assume people don't talk to their doctors about these things.

Take care, and let us know how you're going

Thank you. :D

you wanna take the good from the trip not the bad, dwelll on positive is how i try to live

That's good advice for anyone, and I try to strive towards that as well.

 

[Mr_Fluffykins]

i try to strive towards it aswell, my mushroom trips are the most introspective, 10 grams of shrooms really opened my eyes to some of the faults in my lifes and some of the mistakes i have made, but also it was a bit exagertaed to i didn't take it literally, with psychedellics theres a big exageration of feelings and meanings, every thing is just so impactful

 

[das_feuer]

I am going to keep this very simple: You are playing Russian roulette whenever you use drugs. Why? You have a mental health issue and you are taking medications to keep the problem under control. That's why.

I did the same thing for a while. I have bipolar disorder and I used to be a huge psychonaut. I used a bunch of other substances, too. I kept getting away with mostly having good times, so I reasoned that my medications were keeping things in check and it would still be fine for me to keep using. I had the false belief that nothing bad would happen to me. Then, one day, seemingly out of nowhere, I ended up going manic in a truly epic, very bad way, and wound up going in and out of mental hospitals for a little bit. My manic episode was so severe and lasted for so long that I am lucky I survived it; I did some pretty stupid things and took some dumb risks.

It is only a matter of time before something terrible happens. It is a very, very bad idea for people who have mental health issues to use drugs. If you keep smacking a lion in the face eventually it is going to bite you.

Hmmm, I am also inclined to say that it had something to do with the meds you're on. Just because this didn't happen before when you took acid while being on these meds, doesn't mean that it wasn't going to eventually happen...know what I mean?

Exactly! As I mentioned before, I was in the same type of situation. It was so easy for me to intellectualize my situation and reason that, since I was having a good run and nothing bad had happened to me for a long time, that nothing bad could happen to me if I continued to use. It was easy to reason that, since I did all of my research and planned things out, that nothing could possibly go wrong. Well, sometimes drugs can be unpredictable. In your situation, it isn't just the unpredictability of drugs you have to worry about; you also need to worry about the unpredictability of your mental health issue.

I don't know exactly what your issue is, but in my case, even though my bipolar meds work perfectly, it is very possible that one day, out of nowhere, they will stop working. No matter how well my meds work, if I put myself through enough stress I could become manic or depressed again. You have to take care of yourself or you are going to get sick again, possibly end up dying or hurting someone else, and you may never be the same again.

 

[spider baby]

I am no expert, but I'd imagine whatever you are prescribed both Lexapro and Vyvanse for probably had something to do with this.

If it weren't for the fact that you specifically picked two out of the four meds she listed (in her sentence which you are reiterating) this wouldn't sound rude at all 8)

 

[n3ophy7e]

^^ I might be missing something but I don't think he was trying to be rude..? I think he was implying that whatever psychological conditions Dekanozov has, for which she is prescribed those meds, may have had a lot to do with the bad trip she experienced. There could be quite a bit of truth to that...

Dekanozov, how are you doing today hun?

 

[unsettled]

isn't geodon an anti-psychotic? I'd think it would definitely have an adverse affect on your trip, but if it never had a negative impact before I'd guess you just had a strange or bad trip. My aunt used to take Geodon for Schizophrenia, I don't know what you take it for but I'd be careful with any kind of recreational drug when you're on that kind of medication.

My last LSD trip was too much for me to take at the time, it was like I learned more than I needed to or should have and it scared the shit out of me for weeks afterward. I don't regret it but that's the reason I don't do hallucinogens anymore, maybe you just had a bad trip, those drugs can really expand your mind and enlighten you in ways that are unbelievable and amazing but they can also put you into a strange kind of hell that can linger on. Give it some time you'll probably be fine. And don't do anymore hallucinogens for awhile!


"What a long, strange trip it's been...." I never understood that song until I took a few LSD trips that took some strange turns.

 

[dsoginer]

expert answers

I am a psych nurse. No judgments just facts. As a former teenage user of pot and hallucinagenics (never anything addictive; why would you want to do that to yourself?) I see it from both points of view.
FYI: Vyvanse is a drug we hate, it is hard on your heart, stunts growth, can cause EPS symptoms i.e.: tremors, hallucinations etc (look it up), chest pain, shortness of breath, believing things that are not true, etc. etc. These can be permanent. However it is a great ADHD med.
Geodon: One heavy duty antipsychotic med: this can cause heart failure. There is a whole list of meds this should not be taken with.
Lexapro: good drug, one of the best of the new class of drugs. Take it myself. However it can play havoc on the liver. This is why your doc should have you get periodic blood test. However it can cause thoughts of suicide, panic attacks, lack of sleep as vyvanse also does.
Neurotin: for seizures, stops chemicals from binding to nerve endings. Can cause thoughts of suicide, real important you do not miss any appts when taking this drug. Real important also that you do not take: hydrocodone, morphine, or naproxen drugs (Aleve, etc.) with this med.
Now LSD - this is an alkaloid; can cause severe liver poisoning, heart attacks, psychotic breaks etc. It works by binding to nerve endings (sound familiar?) It can increase your heart rate, cause ataxia (can't control your body movements) If you take enough it can cause drops in blood pressure, pulse rate, and respiration rate (you're dead). Of course, since LSD is not USDS approved or monitored then now telling what is in this. Ingredients used to make it can include strychnine (the alkaloid which is rat poison. ask yourself who made this stuff?), ammonia (yum) along with a host of other chemicals. LSD basically distorts and kills brain cells hence hallucinations.
I see total psychotic breaks 2-4 times a week in my unit due to kids mixing prescribed meds with illegal, unregulated drugs. They will be laughed at and institutionalize for the rest of their lives. Sorry for the downer, but you have one life….not a test, if you screw it up you don’t get to say, hold on, let me start over.

 

[Dekanozov]

Thank you for the replies, everyone. I am doing fine.

Sorry for the downer, but you have one life….not a test, if you screw it up you don’t get to say, hold on, let me start over.

I am fine with this. It is not a downer, it is factual. I know what I am doing may not be right for everyone.

Sure, Russian roulette like someone said. That I fully understand and accept. I am not sitting here damning my fate. Responsibility is understood for the actions I take. Judging by the replies here that seems to be a trait that no one expects people like me to have? Action = Consequence. Duh.
My brain chemistry might not be normal, but I have a MUCH better grasp on reality then you guys are giving me credit for. I didn't expect people here to be so judgmental and presumptuous. I was only posting this to see if anyone had felt anything similar, and if this was caused by my medication (which I already assumed it was)

Thank you to everyone who was constructive.

 

[Dekanozov]

If it weren't for the fact that you specifically picked two out of the four meds she listed (in her sentence which you are reiterating) this wouldn't sound rude at all 8)

What is funny to me about his post it that those two aren't even really for adverse conditions. If there is anything in my group of meds to classify me as "crazy" it would be the Geodon. The other drugs are rather pedestrian.