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Have any dilaudid users tried/switched to heroin?

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John_Burrows

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I've been using dilaudid daily for close to 2 years now and started IVing once a day about a month ago.

Naturally, I'm curious about the grandaddy of all opiates, star of screen and stage, heroin.

If any other regular dilaudid users out there have flirted with H, I'd really like to hear about your experience.

How does the high compare? iV dilaudid is famous for that first minute rush, but after that (at least for me), the experience pretty much ends there. Would H be any different?

In the movies, people inject some H and seem to be enjoying a trip into outer space for hours on end. Movie bullshit or is there any truth to this?

How much more dangerous is injecting H compared to D, and how are the withdrawals in comparison?

Looking forward to hearing a few experiences and insight.
 
Heroin has a longer duration of action than hydromorphone. Heroin has a good rush and the high lasts much longer. In my experience with it ( i started shooting dilaudid ) heroin is by far worse to get off than dilaudid.


WIth heroin test the dope for purity first and use a small amount like half a tenth to a tenth max ( since you IV hydromorph everyday you should be good with that ), just to see how you react to it before using more.
 
Good advice, I'll def try a very small dose first. Hopefully I can find a source I trust. All my drugs have come from prescriptions, so this will be my very first non-doctor adventure.

What signs - good or bad - should I be on the lookout for when I take my test shot?
 
Well, if you have a prescription, number one thing will be cost. While you have those precious dillys laying around, like me, its easier to stick to dilly (maybe up the dosage or take a break sometime unless you need it for the pain)

My experiences with H were lovely and pretty similar to Dilaudid. One time, maybe twice, i mixed it which was hella fun but I mean, you can get off similarly to both but give H a try definitely, but try not to make it habitual because ESPECIALLY if you have access to Dilaudid, you dont need to be habitually puttin dirty street dope in your veins too often.

I try to take a tolerance break from all opiates for 4-6 days though before I do that but i suppose itd be different taking them as a prescription. How does that affect your tolerance?

And for the first shot expect a rush quite similar to dilaudid, maybe less tight feeling and more tingly feeling though, and euphoria. Maybe keep yourself going with a dilly or something, thats what i always like to do, or more dope if you got it. Don't start with bad expectation but nausea and shakes are always a sign of bad dope..

Just make sure to not switch to heroin everyday, or any kind of usage that could be considered habitual at all; your body will thank you. I understand doing it more than once but space the times out if you're gonna do it again. It makes it more special that way too.

I do notice that all opiates have a cross tolerance though, which is why i wonder what taking dilaudid every day does for your tolerance. How much does it take you to get off IV? if your tolerance really is that hellish, I think it would grow just as rapidly for the h. But experimenting is always nice. Even if its more than once hehehe. after takin a tolerance break the duration of the experience lasts 2-3 hours. (after the rush) but if it's completely gone for you idk. But the next shot after the first is never as strong remember that.
 
Lime: if I like H I would only do it on weekends, like you said, street dope is a lot less safe than my prescription dillies. But at the moment I don't even have a clue HOW I'm going to even get some H so it's a moot point at the moment.

I'm still curious what dilaudid users think of the H experience, there must be plenty of blue lighters who have done both, I'm surprised at the lack of comments.

Right now when I shoot dillies, 8mg works well but 12 gives me a nice result. The most I've shot at once was 16mg, but it didn't really feel much different from 12mg, so why waste drugs?

Actually I didn't think of it as wasting drugs, but why put more of that stuff in my body if I don't have to?

My main problem with dillies is basically 5 mins after I shoot I feel totally normal again. So on the weekends, if I'd like to enjoy a trip, I need to try something that lasts a little longer, you know?
 
I would lose interest in the H instantly.

Don't.

I am new here but not to these substances and it is just some friendly advice.

Just do what you have been doing. It is so much safer - if this interest stems from boredom with the current regimen, then you must see where I am trying to lead the reasoning my advice stems from - another words how high is that staircase/where does satisfaction stop?

I am guessing you know this anyway.
 
One more practical question : it seems like the only kind of H in my area is Black Tar, which many blue lighters gave said is worthless.

Is this true? More specifically, would a black tar high be something the dilaudid user would be less interested in?

JOE: I appreciate the warning...maybe it's a bad idea to even take a few steps down this path, but at the moment I'm only interested in TRYING H. Of course I'm well aware that's where it all starts, but what can I say, I want to see what all the hype is about.
 
You'd liken then quality of #4 over BTH. I like both for different reasons, hydromorphone has that "oomph" of a rush, better then heroin's IME. Dilaudid doesn't last though (like the crack of opiates, like you may have read elsewhere here), heroin has kept me on the nod for 8+ hours off a shot before. When you're comfortable with dosing with both drugs, try them combined in a shot, it's like heaven ;).
 
Well I'm looking forward to trying it. One question though: from what I know, in the socal area the only H around is black tar, and people have told me to steer clear of it.

Is that true? Am I better off not even trying it?
 
You will most likely only find BTH in California. It may come in a brown powder though, but clumps back into the "tar" consistency when moisture is introduced. It is pretty harsh on the veins, that is one reason why people stay that you should stay clear of it.

Just like any other place and any other drug, there is good quality BTH to be found. It is just a matter of locating it, which you may or may not eventually do.
 
I only recently got on dilaudid, i was being prescribed morphine, but asked the doc to switch to dilaudid, oddly he did it without hesitation, when i was younger i tried heroin it was extremely addictive. Havent used it since, the dilaudid is great orally, but also when injected it gives a nice chest tightening rush, id stay away from heroin if i was you. ITs a terrible animal to mess with
 
Well, after a year and a half of daily dilaudid use, you can imagine what my tolerance is like. It basically doesn't get me high at all anymore, no matter how much I take (that part surprised me, I figured if I took more I could get that feeling back, but no dice).

Anyway, I'm happy to stick to D during the week, but I'd like to find something to look forward to on weekends, and I figured if H was anything as good as people make it out to be, I might as well give it a try.

I'll most likely plug it first, just to see how it feels and because it's much safer.
 
John_Burrows said:
I've been using dilaudid daily for close to 2 years now and started IVing once a day about a month ago.

Naturally, I'm curious about the grandaddy of all opiates, star of screen and stage, heroin.

If any other regular dilaudid users out there have flirted with H, I'd really like to hear about your experience.

How does the high compare? iV dilaudid is famous for that first minute rush, but after that (at least for me), the experience pretty much ends there. Would H be any different?

In the movies, people inject some H and seem to be enjoying a trip into outer space for hours on end. Movie bullshit or is there any truth to this?

How much more dangerous is injecting H compared to D, and how are the withdrawals in comparison?

Looking forward to hearing a few experiences and insight.
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I was a prescription opiate user of any kind before I flirted with Heroin. The first thing that I noticed when switching was the price. It was so much cheaper than paying for prescription opiates on the street, although I eventually ended up using OxyContin AND Heroin. Whoops. That was an expensive habit.

Heroin lasts much longer than Hydromorphone. The rush and the duration.

Shooting pills is more dangerous than injecting Heroin.

My prescription drug of choice was OxyContin and the withdrawals from that were actually worse. I can't speak for Dilaudid.
 
All though heroin is surely a better high, I think the risks outweigh the benefits. Stick with dilaudid, in my opinion.
 
I'd happily stick with dilaudid IF IT STILL GOT ME HIGH. that's my whole point here, it doesn't.

AZ: Really? Heroin is safer than shooting dilaudid? What about black tar? I've read that stuff is murder on your veins...
 
John_Burrows said:
I'd happily stick with dilaudid IF IT STILL GOT ME HIGH. that's my whole point here, it doesn't.

AZ: Really? Heroin is safer than shooting dilaudid? What about black tar? I've read that stuff is murder on your veins...
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I've shot dillies before and heard it's because of the binders and other stuff in the pills. But I had no problems and I was very careful about shooting. But after the dillies, I also shot heroin, and it was a better high than the dillies FOR SURE but I didn't stick with heroin, I only did it three times and went back to the meth . . . opiates aren't really my cup of tea. In my area there's a lot of BTH, but its a better quality BTH. I can't speak about other areas but in my suburb China White is more common than BTH.
 
John_Burrows said:
I'd happily stick with dilaudid IF IT STILL GOT ME HIGH. that's my whole point here, it doesn't.

AZ: Really? Heroin is safer than shooting dilaudid? What about black tar? I've read that stuff is murder on your veins...
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Shooting any form of heroin is safer to your veins than shooting pills because of all the binders and filers which are very harsh on the veins. Not saying that shooting heroin is not harmful to your veins, the cut in heroin is bad but generally safer. Although that sh!t cut with tylenol (I think its called pink heroin) is terrible for your veins. :p

A personal experience: From shooting so many OxyContin my vein got so invected that I had to go to the hospital and was kept on a morphine drip for a couple days. I was knocked out on the morphine while they did whatever they did but the rest of the two day I had a nurse and doctor telling me what will happen if I keep shooting up and using drugs. It was funny to listen to while on morphine. :) I was sent home with some samples of Lyrica and a script for 30 Vicodin. :D

I never had any problems with my veins while shooting black tar (which is all we have in AZ)
 
Kd out: Very good point about shooting pills vs even "bad" heroin. Personally, although I don't micron filter, I make sure my solution is crystal clear before stick it in my veins, even if it means refiltering 2 or 3 times. I'm confident I'm being kind to my veins. Plus, everyone says that dilaudid is the safest pill to inject, if you HAVE to inject a pill.

Fuck man, I just need to actually GET some tar so I can move this discussion from the hypothetical to practical :-)
 
In my experience, dilaudid has a better rush than heroin, and its consistent. On the other hand, heroin makes me feel more euphoric than dilaudid and the high lasts a lot longer. Heroin also has a really good rush, but it varies from batch to batch. Sometimes I get a KILLER rush from h, almost as good as dilaudid, and other times I get absolutely no rush and it just gradually comes on over 50-60 seconds. Don't expect heroin to be too much different from dilaudid; they both have pretty similar effects. Dilaudid just hits harder and leaves quicker; heroin feels more euphoric(for me at least) and has longer lasting effects. I have always thought of dilaudid as being the crack of opiates, heh.
 
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