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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

The whole thing can cave in and cause a Tsunami.... It is not just leaking from one place.... it has a whole bunch of smaller leaks too..... Seems like the sea floor is not right, right now.... i do not think nuking it will help it....
 
Many nukes are tested in the ocean. This would hardly be anything new. I vividly remember the seemingly-otherworldly footage in the news I'd seen of France's testing in the North Pacific that caused quite a buzz. So I agree with Kenickie there.
 
I haven't heard any news stations mention a nuclear bomb and probably for good reason. With the way things are going I would not trust BP nor the govt. to detonate a nuke in the Gulf, no way. I have a feeling most of the public would feel the same way. Double poisoning no thanks, triple poisoning I guess if you throw in all that corexist or whatever.

That idea is ridiculous, I don't care if it has been done before.

peace.
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I've heard it said elsewhere that detonating a nuke could very well simply create a bigger hole for the oil to gush from, so instead of having a leak a foot or so wide you'd have one 100m wide AND radioactive.
 
you guys dont seem to understand the scale of things..

Oil is not like, right under the seabed.. its thousands of feet under atleast. To get the oil, a drill goes down through this seabed to the oil. There is only a very narrow tube of oil going up to the seabed from the oil deposit.

A nuclear bomb would work. It would not make it worse. The force would basically crimp off the flow of the oil by mashing all the seabed together really hard.
 
This is so far beyond fucked up it's either sad or hilarious depending on your mood. I'd say it's safe to say the governments of the world don't give 2 cents about the populace (we knew that before, but now it's blatantly obvious) and that our entire world is owned by $$ and only $$.

There is nothing we can do, no real regulations will be put in place. At most, a single entity will be hurt (BP) while the others get bigger business. I hate humans, I want to love us, but this is fucking pathetic. The amount of open and visible corruption and obvious cover ups is just appalling. It's to the point where things are so exaggerated in real life that most people simply can't comprehend it. So they don't, because it almost doesn't make sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdrzqwk41pU
 
SA said:
If they could, they would. They can't. This is more serious than anyone dares to admit (in public). How serious? It will slowly come to light in the coming months.
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the only ones who seem to understand are the marine scientists, who just appear like deer caught in headlights.

this has been clear from the beginning and Corexant has made it so much worse. Contrary to posters above, a nuclear bomb probably won't fix this (the circumstances are very different from the Soviet leaks; i've heard it described as "a giant bowl of pudding" sitting on top of the oil, so that a nuclear blast might simply eject tons of oily sediment everywhere and release even more oil).

I've never seen people move so slowly when something so bad is happening. HOW can they have let the Corexant thing go? It's almost like the world was going to end in July and they decided to do the absolute worst thing so that it doesn't look quite so bad in June.

Heyward is going to jail.
http://www.news.com.au/business/bre...ce-15-years-jail/story-e6frfkur-1225879591963

Damage beneath sea floor also suggests the leak can't be fixed, by relief well or bomb:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/evidence-points-to-destruction-beneath.html

Why they probably can't nuke it, and what is involved if they can:
http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/6532
 
The smart ones know what is going on.... the slow ones.... FEMA camps or whatever...

I personally would not want be living anywhere around 100miles inland around that gulf spill....
people are getting sick and they live around 70miles inland.... so that just paints the picture for some of how bad it is....
People are also getting sick at sea and doing clean up.... they are blaming the OIL but not the cortex....Yah okay....
Either way.... People will get sick and more and more people will go to the emergency room.....with symptoms....


But i guess i am just crazy....
 
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Unbreakable said:
The smart ones know what is going on.... the slow ones.... FEMA camps or whatever...

I personally would not want be living anywhere around 100miles inland around that gulf spill....
people are getting sick and they live around 70miles inland.... so that just paints the picture for some of how bad it is....
People are also getting sick at sea and doing clean up.... they are blaming the OIL but not the cortex....Yah okay....
Either way.... People will get sick and more and more people will go to the emergency room.....with symptoms....


But i guess i am just crazy....
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you are not crazy at all (at least not about this :D )

I believe I have a post earlier in this thread (or another doomsday one) recommending a 200-mile evacuation of the southern coast. I know this sounds crazy too, but if I lived within that perimeter I would be doing everything I could to find another place to live ASAP.

but if 9/11 is any guide, they [aka the "powers that be"] are too worried about "panic" and so instead are sacrificing not merely the livelihoods but very possibly the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, rather than admit what is actually going on.

on the health problems already becoming clear:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5481052/gulf_oil_spill_louisiana_residents_pg6.html?cat=5

now to risk actually going crazy: i couldn't help but wonder what they were talking about at bilderberg last week
 
xoqqiy axlotao3al said:
I believe I have a post earlier in this thread (or another doomsday one) recommending a 200-mile evacuation of the southern coast. I know this sounds crazy too, but if I lived within that perimeter I would be doing everything I could to find another place to live ASAP.
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like where? where are you going to send these MILLIONS of people? i do not think you comprehend the massive mobilization that would require. also, people are unaware of how important it is to keep New Orleans as a port city. really kind of sad that people have no idea what Louisiana does for the rest of the country.

but if 9/11 is any guide, they [aka the "powers that be"] are too worried about "panic" and so instead are sacrificing not merely the livelihoods but very possibly the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, rather than admit what is actually going on.
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have you talked to anyone in Louisiana lately? the panic is quite palpable.
 
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like where? where are you going to send these MILLIONS of people? i do not think you comprehend the massive mobilization that would require.
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i do comprehend it.

the problem is that the area is now uninhabitable by human beings, or very soon will be. it's not a question of choice. the area will have to be evacuated.


also, people are unaware of how important it is to keep New Orleans as a port city. really kind of sad that people have no idea what Louisiana does for the rest of the country.
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sadly, I know exactly what it does, but my point is new orleans can't be "kept" as a port city. to put it as bluntly as possible: there is no more new orleans. "they" just haven't told us yet.


have you talked to anyone in Louisiana lately? the panic is quite palpable.
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yes, and heard many more on radio and tv. i think we are in violent agreement. by "they" i meant BP execs and the Feds, who are trying to distract attention away from what they know is a world-changing disaster.

but i do think i see people on tv in southern LA "getting used to" the oil smell, which i suspect is very bad. i fear that once the oil smell begins, it is never going to end, and its toxicity is only going to increase.

i agree with the panic. if i lived there, i would be doing everything i could to get out now, and bring everything and everyone i care about with me. i have a close friend in NO & i've been urging her to get out for weeks, even though she is supposed to leave at the end of the summer.

i am sad to say that so far, our worst fears about this have only been underestimates.
 
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BARATARIA BAY, La. – The sand dunes and islands of Barataria Bay, a huge expanse of water and marsh on Louisiana's coast, have become the latest casualty of the environmental disaster spewing from BP's offshore well. And fishermen are bitter.

Oil-caked birds, stranded sea turtles, globs of gooey brown crude on beaches, coated crabs and mats of tar have been found throughout the inlets and mangroves that dot the bay. The oil has coated the water with a rainbow sheen and is threatening the complex web of wetlands, marshes and bayous that make up this ecological and historic treasure.

Everything from crabbing to bait fishing is shutting down, and the anger on the bayou is palpable.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2Z1bGxuYnNwc3Rvcg--

Video of Barataria Estuary: http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/20325030

I only know what i read from LO....
 
xoqqiy axlotao3al said:
sadly, I know exactly what it does, but my point is new orleans can't be "kept" as a port city. to put it as bluntly as possible: there is no more new orleans. "they" just haven't told us yet.
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alright, lets kick the ballistics here, because something tells me you still might not get it...


from wiki:
The Port of New Orleans is a port located in New Orleans, Louisiana. It is the 5th largest port in the United States based on volume of cargo handled, second-largest in the state after the Port of South Louisiana, and 12th largest in the U.S. based on value of cargo. It also has the longest wharf in the world, which is 2.1 miles (3.4 km) long and can accommodate 15 vessels at one time.[1]

The Port of New Orleans handles about 84 million short tons of cargo a year. The Port of South Louisiana, based in the New Orleans suburb of LaPlace, handles 199 million short tons. The two combined form the largest port system in the world by bulk tonnage, and the world's fourth largest by annual volume handled.

The Port of New Orleans is a major transshipment point for steel, receives more coffee imports than any other U.S. port apart from New York/New Jersey, and is the largest port in the U.S. for rubber imports. Over 6000 vessels and 700,000 passengers pass through the Port of New Orleans annually.

The port's chief exports are grain and other agricultural produce from the Midwestern United States, and petroleum products. The leading imports include rubber, chemicals, cocoa beans, coffee, and petroleum. The port handles more trade with Latin America than does any other U.S. gateway, including Miami.
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all this "there is no more New Orleans" sounds vaguely familiar...i think i've heard it before.......

yes, and heard many more on radio and tv. i think we are in violent agreement. the "they" i meant BP execs and the Feds, who are trying to distract attention away from what they know is a world-changing disaster.

but i do think i see people on tv in southern LA "getting used to" the oil smell, which i suspect is very bad. i fear that once the oil smell begins, it is never going to end, and its toxicity is only going to increase.

i agree with the panic. if i lived there, i would be doing everything i could to get out now, and bring everything and everyone i care about with me. i have a close friend in NO & i've been urging her to get out for weeks, even though she is supposed to leave at the end of the summer.
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but the people of Louisiana know. i'm also thinking that if the leak is capped and a few major storms happen, the "oil smell" will end. i also think if you lived there, you wouldn't be doing everything you could to get out now. :\ unless of course, you lived there for some superficial reason, then, it would be just as easy as leaving any other place. but not if you're a NOLAian born and bred. you can't just leave.
 
i'm also thinking that if the leak is capped and a few major storms happen, the "oil smell" will end. i also think if you lived there, you wouldn't be doing everything you could to get out now. :\ unless of course, you lived there for some superficial reason, then, it would be just as easy as leaving any other place. but not if you're a NOLAian born and bred. you can't just leave.
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you seem to have a different definition of "uninhabitable" than i do. the oil "smell" will not stop until the leak is stopped; and it isn't a "smell," it is the beginning of waves of incredibly poisonous VoCs that will begin to both slowly and quickly kill most animal life on land as at has been doing in the water. remember that events on land are six weeks behind events at the well head. look at what both the water and air looks like out there: it is pure poison. nothing can live in it. that is what is coming for new orleans. and florida. and alabama. maybe even texas.

i never thought katrina would or could do anything like this, although i did think the material devastation would be extreme. in situations like that, you can rebuild.

what we are talking about is the widespread poisoning of all land and water. nothing can live in there. doesn't matter if you want to or not. much more like chernobyl. some people insisted on staying there too. but it was and is uninhabitable.

i hope it's clear how incredibly outraged i am by this and sympathetic to the people whose lives are being destroyed. it is absolutely unbelievable. there are public figures i believe should rot in hell for what they did to make this happen, but i'll refrain from partisan political commentary.

ships will not be allowed to travel in the GoM until the poison is removed. based on valdez, ixtoc, etc., with much less widespread poison-oil mix, that isn't even a goal we can reliably project once the leak is stopped (significant areas around valdez and ixtoc both remain poisoned). and this isn't stopped. from the perspective of land & shore, it's barely begun.
 
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