Kenickie
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the only ones with expertise?
wow, we're really fucked.
wow, we're really fucked.
Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast
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yoboy
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Pick a number: 12,600 barrels . . . 20,000 . . . 21,500 . . . 25,000 . . . 30,000 . . . 40,000 . . . 50,000. Scientists put every one of those numbers in play Thursday as they struggled to come up with a solid estimate of how much oil is gushing each day from the black geyser at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
The one scientific certainty: It's a lot -- and more than some of the same scientists thought just a couple of weeks ago. It's so much that the crews trying to siphon it to the surface are going to need a bigger boat.
Early in the crisis, BP and the federal government repeatedly said that the Deepwater Horizon well was spewing about 5,000 barrels (210,000 gallons) a day into the gulf. But the new estimates, released Thursday by government-appointed scientists, show that the well most likely produces 5,000 barrels before breakfast.
One team that has studied video taken of the leaking riser pipe before it was cut and capped last week has concluded that the well was most likely producing 25,000 to 30,000 barrels a day. If that estimate is on target, and if the flow has been more or less consistent since the April 20 blowout, the hydrocarbon reservoir 2 1/2 miles below the sea floor has gushed five to six times the amount spilled in Alaskan waters in 1989 by the Exxon Valdez.
Put it another way: It's roughly one Valdez spill every week. Nearly two Olympic-size swimming pools of oil every day.
Another scientific team, which analyzed satellite images, has come up with a somewhat more modest estimate of 12,600 to 21,500 barrels a day, just a slight uptick from the team's earlier finding.
Or the flow could be much higher still: A team led by scientists from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has studied the leak with instruments normally used in research on deep-sea hydrothermal vents. Its initial estimate puts the flow at 25,000 to 50,000 barrels a day, said U.S. Geological Survey Director Marcia McNutt, who leads the teams of scientists collectively known as the Flow Rate Technical Group.
"These numbers are all over the board," she said in a conference call with reporters.
In response to a question, McNutt said that 20,000 to 40,000 barrels is the most plausible range, but she emphasized that the findings are preliminary and that the techniques have inherent limitations.
The flow rate is significant on several fronts. First, it gives the government and BP a sense of how much capacity they'll need among surface ships to handle all the oil gushing out of the well and up a pipe to the Discoverer Enterprise drill ship, which is capable of processing about 18,000 barrels a day. Other ships are being added to the effort.
Second, the fines that BP faces for polluting the gulf will be tied to how much oil has leaked.
Third, the higher figures call into question the circumstances that led to the much lower estimates of the spill early in the crisis. On April 28, after having received estimates of the size of the spill from BP and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Coast Guard announced the 5,000-barrels-a-day estimate. Not until May 27 did the flow rate group increase the estimate to 12,000 to 25,000 barrels.
Coast Guard Adm. Thad W. Allen, the national incident commander, rejected the suggestion this week that the government has ever low-balled the flow rate.
"I can guarantee you unequivocally, nobody is low-balling anything that works for me," he told reporters. "And I will never low-ball anything."
An internal BP document marked "confidential" shows that the company on April 27 had arrived at three estimates for the size of the spill: low, best guess and high. The calculations were based on satellite imagery of the slick. The low estimate was 1,063 barrels a day. The best guess was 5,758 barrels. The high estimate was 14,266 barrels.
The next day, the Coast Guard announced the 5,000-barrel estimate.
BP spokesman Andrew Gowers said Thursday by e-mail: "There is no secret about this. It was our contribution to the Unified Command estimate that was published shortly afterwards. We have always said we made a contribution to that estimate but that it was an estimate by the Unified Command."
This remains an inexact science, fraught with guesswork, with the well constantly burping gas amid the dark crude, and water and sediment thrown in to make it all the more complicated. The geyser has been a moving target: The flow may have increased significantly since the failed "top kill" maneuver and the shearing of the riser pipe turned a complex system of leaks into a single, coherent plume. Most of the research findings released Thursday were based on study of the leak prior to the riser cut.
Once the riser was cut, said Steve Wereley at Purdue University, "the flow must go up," because the oil is no longer suppressed by a kink in the pipe. The government has estimated that the riser cut could have increased the flow by 20 percent.
The lowest estimate of 12,600 barrels is clearly no longer plausible, because 15,800 barrels were siphoned Wednesday to the surface and much more oil is still billowing into the gulf from around the cap.
More numbers are coming. The plume team and other members of the flow rate group are preparing another estimate, this one based in part on high-definition video taken by submersibles after the riser was cut and provided to the scientists on Tuesday. "The scientists are actually drowning in high-resolution video," McNutt said.
Well worth the read
Source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/10/AR2010061003683_pf.html
Shits hitting the fan like whoa.....
A Incident Command received a report of an incident that occurred at about 9:25 a.m. Friday involving a supply vessel that was mooring to a natural gas riser platform and pipeline in waters near Cocodrie, resulting in a release of natural gas.
Of the 41 people on board, 36 were transported to shore, treated by emergency medical services and taken to five local hospitals. Symptoms ranged from scratchy throats to coughs and nausea. Of those 36 people, two were characterized as more serious, complaining of shortness of breath, disorientation and chest pains. One of those two was airlifted to a local hospital for emergency care.
Five crew members are still on the vessel and moving it to a safe mooring, where they will be evaluated by local emergency medical services.
Operations in the Cocodrie area were stopped for the day and there is a safety stand down for crewmembers involved in the oil spill response and recovery.
Additionally, there will be an extensive safety brief to all hands in the morning before cleanup operations are allowed to resume.
“The safety of the people in the field is a top priority of this oil spill response,” said Unified Command Safety Section Chief Scot Rudolph.
The United States Coast Guard is conducting a marine casualty investigation to determine the cause of the incident. No further details are available at this time.
Source:
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/652827/
Sounds like COREXIT symptoms.....
The one scientific certainty: It's a lot -- and more than some of the same scientists thought just a couple of weeks ago. It's so much that the crews trying to siphon it to the surface are going to need a bigger boat.
Early in the crisis, BP and the federal government repeatedly said that the Deepwater Horizon well was spewing about 5,000 barrels (210,000 gallons) a day into the gulf. But the new estimates, released Thursday by government-appointed scientists, show that the well most likely produces 5,000 barrels before breakfast.
One team that has studied video taken of the leaking riser pipe before it was cut and capped last week has concluded that the well was most likely producing 25,000 to 30,000 barrels a day. If that estimate is on target, and if the flow has been more or less consistent since the April 20 blowout, the hydrocarbon reservoir 2 1/2 miles below the sea floor has gushed five to six times the amount spilled in Alaskan waters in 1989 by the Exxon Valdez.
Put it another way: It's roughly one Valdez spill every week. Nearly two Olympic-size swimming pools of oil every day.
Another scientific team, which analyzed satellite images, has come up with a somewhat more modest estimate of 12,600 to 21,500 barrels a day, just a slight uptick from the team's earlier finding.
Or the flow could be much higher still: A team led by scientists from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has studied the leak with instruments normally used in research on deep-sea hydrothermal vents. Its initial estimate puts the flow at 25,000 to 50,000 barrels a day, said U.S. Geological Survey Director Marcia McNutt, who leads the teams of scientists collectively known as the Flow Rate Technical Group.
"These numbers are all over the board," she said in a conference call with reporters.
In response to a question, McNutt said that 20,000 to 40,000 barrels is the most plausible range, but she emphasized that the findings are preliminary and that the techniques have inherent limitations.
The flow rate is significant on several fronts. First, it gives the government and BP a sense of how much capacity they'll need among surface ships to handle all the oil gushing out of the well and up a pipe to the Discoverer Enterprise drill ship, which is capable of processing about 18,000 barrels a day. Other ships are being added to the effort.
Second, the fines that BP faces for polluting the gulf will be tied to how much oil has leaked.
Third, the higher figures call into question the circumstances that led to the much lower estimates of the spill early in the crisis. On April 28, after having received estimates of the size of the spill from BP and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Coast Guard announced the 5,000-barrels-a-day estimate. Not until May 27 did the flow rate group increase the estimate to 12,000 to 25,000 barrels.
Coast Guard Adm. Thad W. Allen, the national incident commander, rejected the suggestion this week that the government has ever low-balled the flow rate.
"I can guarantee you unequivocally, nobody is low-balling anything that works for me," he told reporters. "And I will never low-ball anything."
An internal BP document marked "confidential" shows that the company on April 27 had arrived at three estimates for the size of the spill: low, best guess and high. The calculations were based on satellite imagery of the slick. The low estimate was 1,063 barrels a day. The best guess was 5,758 barrels. The high estimate was 14,266 barrels.
The next day, the Coast Guard announced the 5,000-barrel estimate.
BP spokesman Andrew Gowers said Thursday by e-mail: "There is no secret about this. It was our contribution to the Unified Command estimate that was published shortly afterwards. We have always said we made a contribution to that estimate but that it was an estimate by the Unified Command."
This remains an inexact science, fraught with guesswork, with the well constantly burping gas amid the dark crude, and water and sediment thrown in to make it all the more complicated. The geyser has been a moving target: The flow may have increased significantly since the failed "top kill" maneuver and the shearing of the riser pipe turned a complex system of leaks into a single, coherent plume. Most of the research findings released Thursday were based on study of the leak prior to the riser cut.
Once the riser was cut, said Steve Wereley at Purdue University, "the flow must go up," because the oil is no longer suppressed by a kink in the pipe. The government has estimated that the riser cut could have increased the flow by 20 percent.
The lowest estimate of 12,600 barrels is clearly no longer plausible, because 15,800 barrels were siphoned Wednesday to the surface and much more oil is still billowing into the gulf from around the cap.
More numbers are coming. The plume team and other members of the flow rate group are preparing another estimate, this one based in part on high-definition video taken by submersibles after the riser was cut and provided to the scientists on Tuesday. "The scientists are actually drowning in high-resolution video," McNutt said.
Well worth the read
Source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/10/AR2010061003683_pf.html
Shits hitting the fan like whoa.....
A Incident Command received a report of an incident that occurred at about 9:25 a.m. Friday involving a supply vessel that was mooring to a natural gas riser platform and pipeline in waters near Cocodrie, resulting in a release of natural gas.
Of the 41 people on board, 36 were transported to shore, treated by emergency medical services and taken to five local hospitals. Symptoms ranged from scratchy throats to coughs and nausea. Of those 36 people, two were characterized as more serious, complaining of shortness of breath, disorientation and chest pains. One of those two was airlifted to a local hospital for emergency care.
Five crew members are still on the vessel and moving it to a safe mooring, where they will be evaluated by local emergency medical services.
Operations in the Cocodrie area were stopped for the day and there is a safety stand down for crewmembers involved in the oil spill response and recovery.
Additionally, there will be an extensive safety brief to all hands in the morning before cleanup operations are allowed to resume.
“The safety of the people in the field is a top priority of this oil spill response,” said Unified Command Safety Section Chief Scot Rudolph.
The United States Coast Guard is conducting a marine casualty investigation to determine the cause of the incident. No further details are available at this time.
Source:
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/652827/
Sounds like COREXIT symptoms.....
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Kenickie
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xoqqiy axlotao3al
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there's a great site called www.theoildrum.com that is frequented by many oil engineers. the bomb solutions is probably not feasible, but even if it is, it requires months to set up and plan the engineering to do it correctly (the Soviets did it, video on youtube, but only after six years had gone by & it took them six months or so to plan the bomb).
Presuming BP is not lying to us about the "relief wells," these should start to be finished in a few months, much earlier than any bomb could be.
The problem, as I've been saying on this board and others are saying too, is what the Corexant/oil mix is doing to the gulf itself. Apparently the scientists have made a wager than you can kill an entire body of water that supports a major mega-geographical zone without consequence. My knowledge of Gaia thesis is not technical, but I am betting that is incorrect.
Which is why I think the possibility that this dwarfs Chernobyl must be considered. More and more I think there is chance that this is an ELE.
yoboy
Bluelighter
what's an ELE?
xoqqiy axlotao3al
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yoboy
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^^^ well let's hope not.... damn!
This whole thing is really starting to creep me out
This whole thing is really starting to creep me out
Kenickie
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i'm operating under the idea that BP isn't doing anything and is lying about everything except for being out of ideas.
i've heard some insane frightening ideas (no clue how accurate they are) of what could happen with the corexant oil mix being absorbed into clouds, and lightning setting clouds on fire.
like no fucking shit? end of the world times. in the same conversation where flaming clouds came up, my hippie reikei healer roommate said it was time for a fascist government in America.
things must be getting really fucking bad.
xoqqiy axlotao3al
Bluelighter
unfortunately, the various anomalies to date have this in common: nobody from outside the tight inner group of BP/Thad Allen appears to be allowed to get anywhere near the actual spill site. and they get really nervous when the idea that other companies with real clean-up experience get in there start to be mentioned.
as if there is something they don't want people with expertise to see.
& if this is true, they really don't know what to do. although i still think the Corexant was an exponential increase to the damage that would have already been done. what conspiracy theory can explain it? they wanted to do as much damage as possible? is this really the end times and obama is satan or something? i mean i really can't come up with a rational explanation for all of it.
yoboy
Bluelighter
a reikei healer told you that? (don't know what that is but it sounds new age and hippie)
sheeeeeeit man we are phucked
Unbreakable
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An Ex-BP Ceo of 11 years works for the company that makes Corexant....BP also said that is the only chemical they will use for the oil...
BP also bought a company that does oil spill clean ups like 2 weeks or so before the oil spill... Ironic i know
Bp also sold lots of it own stock.... Along with one other bank i can not recall....
it all smells fishy to me.... Seems like depopulation to me but i am just nuts i guess...
BP was also pushing for Carbon Tax.... Maybe this is the way they will get it passed....
BP also insured its 250 million rig for 1 billion... strange i know
Kenickie
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"Kenickie, you're always talking about that fascist shit. I don't know if you are fascist or just are interested in it, but christ, if people don't see the harm they are doing to the world and each other, someone needs to make them. I think America needs some fascism, at this point."
(she said all of this while strumming a ukulele and smoking. pretty hippie yo)
Unbreakable
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The oldest oyster-shucking operation in the country shucked its last oyster on Thursday, a victim of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
Al Sunseri, whose family has run P&J Oyster Company since 1876, said he was about to give the news to the workers at their oyster house in the French Quarter of New Orleans.
“All the people I buy from are unable to work their grounds,” he said. “Unless they open some areas, we’re done.”
The majority of the oyster beds that supplied the company have been shut down. And the beds that are open have been getting flushed with fresh water from the Mississippi River. In an effort to hold back the oil, the authorities have been opening inland water diversion gates to push the oil back. As a result, oysters are dying because they don’t have the right mix of salt and fresh water.
And it is happening in the middle of spawning season, killing baby oysters. It takes 18 months to two years for an oyster to grow to size. So missing an entire spawning season will have a great impact on Louisiana oysters for years to come.
Oil Spill Shuts the Nation’s Oldest Oyster-Shucking Company
http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes....s-the-nations-oldest-oyster-shucking-company/
So sad......
Al Sunseri, whose family has run P&J Oyster Company since 1876, said he was about to give the news to the workers at their oyster house in the French Quarter of New Orleans.
“All the people I buy from are unable to work their grounds,” he said. “Unless they open some areas, we’re done.”
The majority of the oyster beds that supplied the company have been shut down. And the beds that are open have been getting flushed with fresh water from the Mississippi River. In an effort to hold back the oil, the authorities have been opening inland water diversion gates to push the oil back. As a result, oysters are dying because they don’t have the right mix of salt and fresh water.
And it is happening in the middle of spawning season, killing baby oysters. It takes 18 months to two years for an oyster to grow to size. So missing an entire spawning season will have a great impact on Louisiana oysters for years to come.
Oil Spill Shuts the Nation’s Oldest Oyster-Shucking Company
http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes....s-the-nations-oldest-oyster-shucking-company/
So sad......
we are talking about an elevated rate of cancer mortality for a generation of Europeans, more than a quarter million people displaced and resettled in the heart of the soviet union, there's a nineteen mile wide forbidden zone where you can still kick up enough radioactive dust to give yourself cancer, and this is 30 years after the fact, and its going to be like that for centuries.
So ya, I measure the impact on himan lives before I start worrying about where shrimp will be able to fornicate.
Oh and you think no one will have to move because of THIS? You think oil in the water supplies, and environment, wont cause health issues or even cancer? You think this will all be cleaned up quickly? Oh and, humans cant really live if say.. theres no food or job to support themselves and buy food. So, as much as loving humans and what not is important to you, its not very lovingly of you to not care about something that sustains, many many human lives.
Unbreakable
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BP Plc’s oil spill may drive down the Gulf Coast’s shore-area property values by 10 percent for at least three years, according to CoStar Group Inc.
Losses may total $4.3 billion along the 600-mile (966- kilometer) stretch from the Louisiana bayous to Clearwater, Florida, the property-information service estimates.
“It’s just another blow to an already depressed real estate market,” Norm Miller, CoStar’s vice president of analytics, said yesterday in a telephone interview from San Diego. “The best thing you can do if you’re in real estate in this area is bide your time, don’t panic and don’t try to sell in this environment.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEFd_tEj12BI
More shitty news for gulf coast people....leave while you can....
Losses may total $4.3 billion along the 600-mile (966- kilometer) stretch from the Louisiana bayous to Clearwater, Florida, the property-information service estimates.
“It’s just another blow to an already depressed real estate market,” Norm Miller, CoStar’s vice president of analytics, said yesterday in a telephone interview from San Diego. “The best thing you can do if you’re in real estate in this area is bide your time, don’t panic and don’t try to sell in this environment.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEFd_tEj12BI
More shitty news for gulf coast people....leave while you can....
this is a ten dude. this will be what the meteors was to the dinosaurs. 90% of the population could very well be gone sometime in the next 10 years.
http://www.infowars.com/john-boehner-shows-his-true-colors-american-people-will-pay-for-bp-clean-up/
http://www.infowars.com/toxic-corex...ed-secret-as-feds-colluded-with-big-business/
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/0...-of-controversial-dispersants-used-42891.html
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0610.html
http://www.infowars.com/toxic-corex...ed-secret-as-feds-colluded-with-big-business/
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/0...-of-controversial-dispersants-used-42891.html
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0610.html
Kenickie
Bluelight Crew
the population of what?
qwe
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if a hurricane causes an evacuation of the whole gulf region, i MIGHT get on your depopulation evil plans bandwagon. they are obviously lying about the numbers and are nervous, but we don't know why
edit-typo
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