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The Bikie Wars

Sameria said:
That's a bit of a blanket statement. There are a lot of non-drug oriented bikie groups, it's just you hear the most about those who are violent and get busted for drugs.
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I'm not talking about normal bike club members. They wouldn't be considered bikies by todays standards. The term 'Bikies' infers gang related activity these days.
 
aero said:
I'm not talking about normal bike club members. They wouldn't be considered bikies by todays standards. The term 'Bikies' infers gang related activity these days.
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Sorry but I disagree, whilst some are involved with distribution.
I don't think for a second that bikies infers gang related activitys. I think of bikie as a people who get together who consider one an other a brother, and fight for each other.

People who I know that are bikies would very much be insulted by the idea that they are involved with the drug scene, and wouldn't be happy to hear it... not one bit.
 
thestudent14 said:
Sorry but I disagree, whilst some are involved with distribution.
I don't think for a second that bikies infers gang related activitys. I think of bikie as a people who get together who consider one an other a brother, and fight for each other.

People who I know that are bikies would very much be insulted by the idea that they are involved with the drug scene, and wouldn't be happy to hear it... not one bit.
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Well I'm giving the definition that most people would give. A minority of people might be offended but yeh the general trend is that is the 'accepted' term.
 
You miss understood me then, my belief is that it is not the 'accepted' term.

I think the general public would think of bikies as people who don't take shit from anyone, not neccesarily meaning they are affiliated with the drug community.

I could be wrong, but thats always been me and my friends take on bikies.
 
I doubt that is how the general public views them. Besides that's implying criminality. I doubt all bikies are criminals or drug pushers too. Just how they are percieved.
 
U guys surely cant believe that they are "just a bike riding gang" lol

Most of them (not all) unite to be part of an organized crime whether its drugs, extortion, money laundering, prostitution and etc etc etc. Ever heard of the Notorious? They dont even ride bikes yet they are a bikie gang? They need money to keep the gang going and money means power. Their mite be a a number of bikies who own legit businesses or have daytime jobs but for the majority? Dont think so.
 
Sustanon said:
U guys surely cant believe that they are "just a bike riding gang" lol

Most of them (not all) unite to be part of an organized crime whether its drugs, extortion, money laundering, prostitution and etc etc etc. Ever heard of the Notorious? They dont even ride bikes yet they are a bikie gang? They need money to keep the gang going and money means power. Their mite be a a number of bikies who own legit businesses or have daytime jobs but for the majority? Dont think so.
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Notorious aren't a bikie gang, they are affiliated with other bike gangs that help them to move stuff or to do other criminal activities.

Notorious are a gang but they don't consider themselves a bikie gang.
 
It's not like people are jumping to conclusions associating bikies with crime - they have earnt the title pretty well.

If i see a 'bikies against crime' movement started i'll change my belief set; until that day i'll assume ,not 100%, that the majoirty of bikies are involved in crime.
 
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/deadly-ai...nced-courageous-says-judge-20100617-yi04.html

This guy got 9mths-3yrs but got the murder charged dropped plus hes snitching.The rest of the guys are probably looking at some serious time because even if they dont get charged with murder they will probably do heavy time for the riot charge more than 3 years because they didnt help the feds.And the one that does get charged with murder will probably get 20+ years.These guys r all in there 20s and r probably facing life in jail because the one guy that did kill him wont man up and take the heat for it so they r all going to go down.Fuck they just wasted their lives
 
I know a few bikies in a couple of the larger well known groups with a reputation for violence and drugs.

Their criminal activity extends to personal use (ie weed), standing up for mates in a bar fight and maybe public drunkenness. They accept that their is a criminal element in place for some members of the gang, but it isn't as if every member is in on it. It's done in personal time at personal premises, not around other members and at clubhouses. Completely seperate from the club as a whole.

I can't speak for clubs such as notorious because I don't know about them. Not all bikies are criminals. Give them a break for fucks sake.
 
From what I've heard in Sydney off a mate involved there is a fair bit crime involved. For example when ur a bikie ur "on call" 24/7 that means if ur needed for a fight, to drive something or someone somewhere, provide money or drugs for the club etc. In turn u can ring for back up whenever u want, get access to girls and drugs, use a car for a weekend and borrow money when needed. My mate told me at the club house once a month they'll have a sex party where all these amazing babes come and fuck for drugs. The main drugs he said they particularly dealt in were coke, pills, roids speed
 
thestudent14 said:
Notorious aren't a bikie gang, they are affiliated with other bike gangs that help them to move stuff or to do other criminal activities.

Notorious are a gang but they don't consider themselves a bikie gang.
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wat OLMC's can u really class as a bikie gang these days? notorious are no more or less a biker gang as the other big biker gangs in sydney like the comancheros, bandidos, rebels, rock machine & hells angels. they are controlled/structured the same as the other biker gangs, they formed from when a bikie gang in granville/parramatta that folded. yes alot dont ride bikes but they are a newly formed gang and are exactly like how all the big MC gangs in syd have become/ will beome in future. gone are the days when ppl joined the 'angels' or 'comms' etc cos they shared a passion for drugs & bikes, now its only the ppl who can offer some sort of criminal expertise that are askd to join. their even becoming allifiated with different religious groups and some groups will become ethnic based, wat sort of bikie gang is that? australia is following how OLMC gangs are becoming overseas. in europe the bandidos are seen more in suits and cars then motorbikes. its all business now and notorious is a 'bikie gang' just as much as the other main Bikie gangs in sydney.

skatkid said:
From what I've heard in Sydney off a mate involved there is a fair bit crime involved. For example when ur a bikie ur "on call" 24/7 that means if ur needed for a fight, to drive something or someone somewhere, provide money or drugs for the club etc. In turn u can ring for back up whenever u want, get access to girls and drugs, use a car for a weekend and borrow money when needed. My mate told me at the club house once a month they'll have a sex party where all these amazing babes come and fuck for drugs. The main drugs he said they particularly dealt in were coke, pills, roids speed
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wat your talking about above is not what a patched member of a bikie gang does, but you have described club 'prospects.' the prospects do their time virtually being at any full members beck'n'call/slave doing what u wrote above. the shit jobs or those with the highest risk of getting caught. Thats why when ever you hear of major drug bust its always young guys in thier late teens/early 20's caught up in the bust.
 
Also I heard synthesising drugs for bikies isn't as lucrative as it sounds. Apparently it squeezed to constantly pump out product and the reward isn't that great.

Overall the whole bikie thing is kinda lame in my
opinion with some of the customs and rules
 
all i no for a fact is that back in the beginning of the drug trade into speed meth etc. it was the police who approched the bikie clubs. basicly stood over them since they are the law and told them this is what we want you to do. and i guess when your pretty smart and thinking this is not what bike clubs are about. got advice from over seas professors and law making ppl. which instucked the bikies just to comply with police orders but do not in anyway incourage it. so i guess by this time the bikie gangs sould have alot of info and eviedence to the fact that it was the police who started the drug trade. so i guess. as we have it so called police watch bikie gangs while bikie gangs also watch police .in the long run the truth will come out. and who will make the better opperitive. the cop or the bikie watching cops. very soon they will make there own agengy that will better then any other ever. bikies never where drug traders . they were forced by the so called law the police back in the start. time will tell who the real criminals are. but guys come on war fighting what a joke you are all together should be united all clubs forever. all u do is ride bikes. get along with each other. it will look so much better for you in long run. i wish . my wish start to be smarter boys and girls. plz no more war. get along. and the police who were involved at start no who they are and should be worried cause. who was watching who. you them or they you. u them of corse . best new aka/ police in world who would of thought. bikies to bring down corruped police drug pushers. thanks . truth
 
Apparently some shit went down here in Perth yesterday

Bikie violence explodes at Perth drag race

A violent brawl between two of Perth's most notorious bikie gangs at a drag race has seen three Finks patch members hospitalised, including one man who was shot and another who had three fingers sliced off.

The clash erupted at the Perth Motorplex in Kwinana yesterday morning between the Coffin Cheaters and members of the Finks outlaw motorcycle gang, which is establishing a chapter in WA.

WA Police spokeswoman Ros Weatherall said one man presented himself to Fremantle hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg and head injuries between midday and 1pm, while a second presented to the hospital with head injuries.

A third man presented to Royal Perth Hospital about the same time with multiple stab wounds. Police said three of his fingers were severed during the attack.

He needed help from first aid volunteers at the scene to staunch the blood flow but quickly left with other patch members, who drove him to hospital where he had surgery to reattach the fingers.

All three men underwent surgery overnight.

Detectives from the gang crime squad were last night trying to piece together the events that led up to the violent incident. Police were given an anonymous tip-off to the brawl, which is believed to have occurred at 1.30pm, but arrived some time after 2pm, after the injured Finks members had fled the scene.

The fight took place during the Harley Street Bike drag racing event, which pitted a range of enhanced motorcycles against each other in a competitive drag racing contest.

Police this afternoon revealed the brawl took place inside the complex, near the area where the bikes are prepared for their races. The loud noise in the area likely masked the sound of the gunshot during the fight.

The event attracts thousands of spectators each year and was described by organisers on the website as being a sunny and successful event.

None of the men are co-operating with authorities but it is understood that police are at the hospitals, where two Finks members remain. The third man was already discharged by Fremantle Hospital since this morning.

Tensions have been high between members of the Finks and WA's biggest bikie gang, the Coffin Cheaters.

A feud between the gangs was sparked after the Coffin Cheaters in January 2008 expelled high-profile member Troy Mercanti, who then helped the Finks set up a WA chapter.

Mercanti is currently in jail for assault.

Motorcomplex spokesman David Christison said management were aware of one man being injured during the brawl. He received preliminary treatment for lacerations from a qualified first aider but once approached by his colleagues he walked away and left the complex in a private vehicle without seeking further medical treatment.

He said venue operators were unaware of any other people being injured or of any shots being fired.

A manager of a prominent Perth motorcycle shop, who was at the drags that night, said most people were taken by surprise about news of the incident.

"I didn't see anything at all," he said.

Finks New South Wales spokesman Ferret refused to comment on last night's incident.

Club Deroes and United Motorcycle Council of WA spokesman Eric Meehan said: "Nobody knows what's going on. I'm a bit stunned myself."

Club Deroes had a marquee at the event but Mr Meehan said none of the so-called "outlaw" motorcycle clubs raced in the drags.

He said while Finks members were identified as being injured in the brawl, there had still been no confirmation that any other clubs were involved.

"It has nothing to do with the UMCWA," he said.

He said the council was more concerned with the name and shame laws coming into effect because they would affect every WA citizen.

"Police already have heaps of laws that deal with what's going on (criminal matters) but with the name and shame prohibition notices repeat offenders will have to stop associating with certain people," Mr Meehan said.

"This is going to affect all of you, not just bikies. We've been trying to tell the public this for past 12 months.

"If they bring in these laws it is going to affect everybody they can't bring in laws just to victimise a minority group of people. Family businesses will go down."

A UMCWA spokeswoman said a meeting of the clubs scheduled for tonight would still be going ahead.

However the Finks will not be represented at the meeting because they do not have a member on the council.
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http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/bikie-violence-explodes-at-perth-drag-race-20101004-1635s.html
 
here in western sydney police have been finding sofisticated home-made sub machine guns. two mak-10s were found in a raid in wentworthville (next to parramatta) in a raid on weekend and a raid at a house in seven hills (blacktown) they found machines, casts for silencers, magazines and sub machine guns.
 
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