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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

bit_pattern said:
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lol hilarious 8)

is it BP's fault though? should the consumer feel guilty?
 
yoboy said:
^^^hmmmm....I think that comparing this spill to Chernobyl is somewhat disingenuous. I mean this is bad, but will the land be uninhabitable and deadly toxic for decades if the oil lands ashore? Probably not.

Three years after the Ixtoc 1 spill in the late 70's, marine life was almost 100% back to normal. Bacteria in the ocean actually breaks down oil thus nature does much of the cleanup for us.

But I will concede that the nature of the two spills are different...... so who knows.....
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Right--they are very different. as I understand it, the Ixtoc spill turned out to be nearly ideal circumstances to get rid of the oil; much of it was burned in the long fire; there was little to no dispersant used; most critically, there were few critical freshwater animal and plant habitats in the path of the oil. I believe the oil was not spewing 5000 feet underwater either.

I tend to get apocalyptic, but if i owned property anywhere on the gulf shore I would be selling it now and making plans to get out. I believe these areas will become uninhabitable, at least temporarily, after the oil deposits have been hitting them for 20-30 days. We are only getting the first effects now.

The main problem is the killing of microscopic life, including food sources and larval animals, and the erosion of barrier wetlands through poisoning. EPA site is already starting to tell people there is "no problem" with volatile organic compounds in the air in southern Louisiana. My ass.
 
I love cruising as much or more than the next guy.......but I have to say I think this is ridiculous. I understand that the Carnival company wants to continue to make money, however I think this will just spread the oil and dispersants even further throughout the gulf and ocean and such and can not be good for the passengers....

Florida-based Carnival Cruise line is not letting the giant oil slick stop ships based along the Gulf of Mexico and are monitoring the oil spill and stocking supplies on board to contend with potential problems... "We do have hull cleaning supplies on board although it hasn't been necessary to use them so far."

Two ships, the Carnival Legend and Inspiration from Tampa sail through the Gulf of Mexico. The Carnival Ecstasy from Galveston and Elation, newly based in Mobile, Alabama also sail through the affected area.

While the US Coast Guard is advising ships to avoid the area, Carnival has been able to maintain normal operations, sailing all itineraries as scheduled.

http://www.examiner.com/x-22875-Orl...Carnival-determined-to-sail-through-oil-slick
 
Does anyone else here think maybe we should do away with oil. I know it's a simple remark to make, and one that's been beaten to death for decades, but when is enough enough? For those who think we should keep using oil, this is what happens when we do. And this WILL happen again, probably multiple times, until we quit destroying our lungs, enviroment, even soliders fighting to get more oil. (I always thought is was interesting that the ONE and only big thing we import from the Middle East is the one thing we are so dependent on, and we really don't need to be with new technology)

Perhaps the time has come to start putting up more turbines and solar panels...Clean and unlimited supplies of energy.
Now that sounds good to me!
 
smotpoker said:
Does anyone else here think maybe we should do away with oil. I know it's a simple remark to make, and one that's been beaten to death for decades, but when is enough enough? For those who think we should keep using oil, this is what happens when we do. And this WILL happen again, probably multiple times, until we quit destroying our lungs, enviroment, even soliders fighting to get more oil. (I always thought is was interesting that the ONE and only big thing we import from the Middle East is the one thing we are so dependent on, and we really don't need to be with new technology)

Perhaps the time has come to start putting up more turbines and solar panels...Clean and unlimited supplies of energy.
Now that sounds good to me!
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i agree, but apparently it is a *bit* more complicated than that. i don't know why, i would assume it has something to do with money and and control. (and here we enter alternative theories, lol)
 
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drscience, yes i know you are right. if it was easy we would have done it. but i doubt it's impossible to do. the people who have the power in usa just have other interests it seems.

that is why I find myself reading less and less articles like this and watching news. it's obvious we need to make big enviromental changes to our country. and start using alternative energy sources. but we won't. and we can't. and there ain't shit normal people can do about it. so watching news and reading sad stories like the gulf oil spill start to depress me over time. the government and all the evil dirtbags don't care about anything except money.

i know this post sounds rather juvinile but this is pretty much how it is.
 
i don't think its the companies (who have the power to change), i think its the people who give them money everyday.
 
im sorry if we got off on the wrong foot Bit_Pattern, i told you to "stfu" because you were dismissing what you thought to be an inane comment of mine. and i apologize. (stop driving your cars so much, or start riding bikes i cant remember...)

now you said it was more complicated than just drivin your cars too much. i was trying to engage in discussion, and i would have appreciated a bit of explanation or to be pointed in the right direction to better educate myself on the subject. (sorry if this is asking too much) i am by no means well educated, i'm only trying to learn.

I also have a hunch that the consumer has a big role this...i'm not saying that is WHAT I KNOW i just have a hunch and would appreciate someone telling me why i'm wrong, not just that I am being inane.

(or am i being inane in the sense that this is the sensationalize thread, and my looking at the big picture detracts from the comics and neat articles telling us how fucked we are/could be?)
 
Pander Bear said:
That's fucking retarded. When a drunk driver plows into a family killing them, we blame the drunk driver, and maybe the bartender who poured the drinks. We don't say "well, in this culture where we love our cars, and we love our alcohol, this is unavoidable, so everybody is to blame".

Aren't conservatives for accountability? BP is liable, and beyond that, the regulatory framework that allowed this to happen is at fault.
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Could one say blame lies upon both the consumer and business? (which might imply the consumer has a direct effect on the business and how it operates, and vice versa?)

like smotpoker said we need to stop demanding oil in the way we do. but how...
 
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This is unreal. How many times do individual citizens get strung and quartered for their actions by the government and corporations that prosecute them as if the person existed in a vacuum with no other external factors being considered. Now we have a multinational that is raping the planet and the working class, whose opposition to climate change and peak oil may cost millions of lives yet, and we are supposed to share in the blame for this?
 
^i think we may. i tend to notice it everywhere. people want cheap, mass producion, efforts to lower overhead, choosing shoddy import products rather than domestic made goods. cheap is not good. we as consumers must start being more aware of the impact of our purchaces, how products are made, etc...

i mean the drive for the whole industry is money, is it not? this leads me to think people are hired within the industry just to find out what corners can be cut. (total speculation) sounds shifty, like building on sand shifty.
 
Obama has also called in some of the many scientists on the federal payroll, led by Energy Secretary Steven Chu, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist. Chu at one point pushed the unusual idea of using gamma rays to peer into the blowout preventer to determine if its valves were closed, a technique he experimented with in graduate school while studying radioactive decay.

The suggestion at first elicited snickering and "Incredible Hulk" jokes. Then they tried it, and it worked.
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hiring Nobel Prize winning Scientists to head your energy department = ace move, Obama
 
Definining cheap only in a monetary value is wrong.

Oils cheap... but its expensive for the environment

Slaves are cheap.. but its expensive(emotionally, physically) for the slave.

Mcdonalds is cheap... but its expensive in healthcare/insurance, and more ways than i can be assed writing.

Get the point? What is cheap for 1 aspect of a product, is most likely very expensive for another.
 
nope, we're really fucked.

On May 1, 11 days after the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, and nine days after oil began spilling into the Gulf, the Coast Guard had still only released a single image of oil leaking a mile beneath the surface -- a fuzzy photograph of a broken pipe spewing oil.

But inside the unified command center, where BP and federal agencies were orchestrating the spill response, video monitors had already displayed hours of footage they did not make public. The images showed a far more dire situation unfolding underwater. The footage filmed by submarines showed three separate leaks, including one that was unleashing a torrent of oil into the Gulf.

BP officials said they made all the video available to federal officials.
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