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Prices vary so much between pharmacy chains, honestly the 2 well known cheap chains can be as low as half the cost of certain independant or less known pharmacies. Usually if I have a bit of spare cash in my wallet and am out and about I will hit any good chain pharmacy I go past, just so I generally get it a few bucks cheaper than going to the expensive chains. Chemist Warehouse and Priceline are the best chains to go to, because of codeine restrictions I can't ALWAYS get codeine from them but I do as often as possible and get all my potentiators from them so it saves me a lot of money.

Tolerance to codeine really gets ridiculous, I dosed a shitload last night doing 2 washes, using DXM and antihistames to potentiate as well as bourbon and weed. Also took it on an empty stomach and still dosed a spoonfull of baking soda just less than half an hour before dosing. Was really not that fucked at all, I guess a break may be in order.

I am expecting a little bit of morphine in the near future though and it seems wise to use codeine to spin it out better. I am considering breaking after that but I have a few questions. Assuming I was at the point where 700-800mg doses spaced a week apart, using numerous drugs on top of that to increase effects and still not getting a very strong buzz, how long of a break would I expect to have to take to lower it enough to catch a nice nod?

Also, I use DXM as a potentiator but I never use it on off days or anything. I have read that DXM can lower codeine tolerance, I was wondering if anybody had any experience using DXM for this purpose? I got a few questions like, how often would you dose and how much? How effective is it? Would regular consumption of low doses of DXM neccessitate that I avoid certain drugs? Would regular dosing of DXM mean I had to wait substantially less time for my tolerance to reduce than if I wasn't using any? If anyone could clear any of that up for me it would be fantastic.
 
Don't over think it.

Just take 2-3 weeks off or as long as you can manage, most likely you won't last a week anyway so doesn't really matter.

The longer you wait the better it will feel.
 
Haha yeah, I do have a fat chance of lasting more than a week but the last 2 weeks I took a week break in between and it wasn't enough. I am wondering if even just dosing small amounts of DXM throughout the week would be helpful.

I would really just like someone with experience to tell me roughly how long it takes opiate tolerance to dissipate. I mean I have never been a regular user or overly tolerant until the last 1-1.5 years and I haven't had a decent break in that time. I was hoping someone would have some insight into using DXM, as hopefully that would reduce the amount of time I had to wait substantially.

If I am going to be completely honest, unless there is a way to get my tolerance to drop reasonably quickly to the point codeine is effective, I see myself more likely heading down the path of regular use of stronger opioids than abstinence for a long period of time. I really enjoy my opiates and it is a pain to stick to once a week, as I am managing though I don't feel I have a problem or any reason to stop, I just don't want my tolerance to get to the point it isn't even affordable for me to get opiated once a week 'cause that would just suck.
 
You can quit for years and still have a tolerance. There's no hard fast rule, if its causing you issues maybe you should consider trying to quit with the assistance of a program.

Codeine is a walk in the park compared to seed or pod or proper heroin usage. Quit now while you are head.

Or maybe just try suboxone, you'll still get a bit of a buzz which you might be able to live with.
 
I don't know why your so keen to push maintenance opiates on me? I clearly said I am not dependant on opiates and it would seem to me becoming dependant on harder opiates would be more negative than continuing to use codeine recreationally one or a few nights a week.

All I really wanted to know was how effective DXM was at reducing tolerance and what appropriate dosing amounts and frequencies would be to use it for this purpose. I appreciate you may be concerned about people abusing opiates, but I did not ask how to quit, rather I wanted to know how effective DXM is for reducing tolerance.
 
MrIbis said:
why is this thread deteriorating into pricing discussion?
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Basically all the HR info you need is already been posted 100x and basically everyone posting in here was or is an opiate addict so that's usually how it goes.

Point taken though, this thread is for HR, not for pricing.
 
drug_mentor said:
I would really just like someone with experience to tell me roughly how long it takes opiate tolerance to dissipate.
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For morphine 1.5-2 years.
If I am going to be completely honest, unless there is a way to get my tolerance to drop reasonably quickly to the point codeine is effective...
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Check out this thread for some ideas.

Be very careful if you go ahead with the above suggestion.
 
Thats pretty interesting but I have no access to naltrexone and I don't think my GP is going to write a script so I can keep up my legal high. Thanks for posting though it was interesting.

When you say 1.5-2 years I take it you mean it takes that long to completely disappear? I don't care about reversing my tolerance to zero, until the last few times I did codeine by itself tolerance wasn't a huge issue for me. Sure it took more than before and I would hardly say I "nodded" anymore but I was pretty damn satisfied. It has got to the point I am poly using with so many god damned substances its kind of stupid, and sometimes I am left thinking that out of everything I dosed the codeine is probably doing near the least.

I know compared to many with heavy opioid habits I don't have shit to complain about, but my two main options as I see them are heroin and codeine. Codeine is much safer and more cost effective than heroin and I don't want to have to bridge the gap regularly at this stage.

I really would like to be able to abstain for a short period and have my tolerance reduce, if this isn't possible I am fairly screwed because there is NO way in hell I am taking 2 years off opiates.

I mean the last few weeks I have only used on Thursdays, you would think 800mg doses spaced a week apart and combined with all sorts of potentiators, alcohol and marijuana on an empty stomach would yield a buzz greater than something to be described as mild.

I posted about DXM hoping someone else would have experience. I am pretty booked up with TAFE work, but when I get some time I will do some digging on the subject and if it looks promising I will give it a whirl. In the meantime I hope somebody can add something on this matter, but when I get some information and possbly first hand experience myself I will report my findings.
 
Maybe go a couple months cold turkey and use other substances to replace it ie; weed benzos alcohol ghb etc
how frequently were u dosing codeine when ur tolerance grew?

Because I've dosed 2 times a week for bout 1.5 years now and the buzz is basically the same at the same continuous dose. (month or two abstinence in that time due to holidays etc)
 
skatkid said:
Maybe go a couple months cold turkey and use other substances to replace it ie; weed benzos alcohol ghb etc
how frequently were u dosing codeine when ur tolerance grew?
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IMO don't substitue for a benzo habit; codiene is a much safer option.
Try and load up on promethazine hydrocloride - the anti histamine. I mean if you dose that at 100mg you'd be sedateing yourself and you could taper the codiene down. Increase the promethazine too if need be and you'll find it will potentiate your high well so you can run the taper schedual properly. Maybe try some seed tea too as a sub. If your really concerned try and see a pysch and get some seroquel. It will act as a good sedative and help you curb your codiene habits. Good luck man.
 
I already use weed everyday and drink near daily, take lots of benzos, etc. LOL so the other drugs thing wont work. Skatkid I guess it happened lately, probably because I have been using harder opiates as well.
 
rolls_ said:
Or maybe just try suboxone, you'll still get a bit of a buzz which you might be able to live with.
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As far as maintenance opiates go, suboxone would be too great a step up as a replacement for codeine.

Dextropropoxyphene would be a better idea, as it's a much weaker opiate, weaker than codeine even. It's a terrible drug for recreational purposes, though it will remove codeine w/ds without producing any kind of buzz or high.

I don't really see the point in using other opiates to get off codeine though unless you have a huge habit.
 
puckboy said:
I don't really see the point in using other opiates to get off codeine though unless you have a huge habit.
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Buprenorphine is a partial antagonist so dose for dose you won't really get high, that way you can taper down without getting a buzz and whilst also not experiencing withdrawals. That is the one of the main goals, not just to taper, but to get used to being sober as this is the major cause of relapse.

Hell even if they got you hooked on a stronger dose of bupe to get off codeine and spend 6 months doing it, it would probably be better than trying 5x with smaller doses and constantly relapsing.

aero said:
IMO don't substitue for a benzo habit; codiene is a much safer option.
Try and load up on promethazine hydrocloride - the anti histamine. I mean if you dose that at 100mg you'd be sedateing yourself and you could taper the codiene down. Increase the promethazine too if need be and you'll find it will potentiate your high well so you can run the taper schedual properly. Maybe try some seed tea too as a sub. If your really concerned try and see a pysch and get some seroquel. It will act as a good sedative and help you curb your codiene habits. Good luck man.
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Promethazine fucks with your memory hardcore so becareful with big doses, it will also make you delusional like all other strong anti-cholinergics.
 
I really don't see how getting hooked on a stronger dose of stronger opiates would be productive for getting off at all, why give yourself a worse problem than you already have? Seriously, why wouldn't someone just taper with codeine? I mean I understand why a taper with your DOC isn't really appropriate if you are using IV heroin or something but oral doses of a weak opiate should be able to be tapered without having to swtich to bupe I would think.

You seem pretty convinced people in here need help to get off codeine and I am not sure why. I think while its safe to say most of us in here probably use more codeine than we should not many are actually addicted to it. Its all well and good to make this information available to those who need it but suggesting people like me who are using codeine 1-3/4 times a week switch to bupe is a bit silly. If I went and took your advice I would be in way worse shape, as i am not currently addicted to opiates even!

I just don't see the logic in keeping bringing that shit up, I mean you said you thought it could be viable and thats fine but there really is no need to continue suggesting a bunch of recreational users go get on bupe. I mean maybe that isn't your intention, but I clearly stated numerous times in this thread I am only a recreational user yet you suggest I get dependant on maintenance opiates anyway. I asked you why you want to push opiates like that on a non dependant person and you never addressed this?
 
drug_mentor said:
I just don't see the logic in keeping bringing that shit up, I mean you said you thought it could be viable and thats fine but there really is no need to continue suggesting a bunch of recreational users go get on bupe. I mean maybe that isn't your intention, but I clearly stated numerous times in this thread I am only a recreational user yet you suggest I get dependant on maintenance opiates anyway. I asked you why you want to push opiates like that on a non dependant person and you never addressed this?
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Sorry I wasn't directly it purely at you, just putting it out their hypothetically for people to read.

Personally I think most people who use more than twice as week are addicted, they might say they can stop but the fact is they don't want to and would have trouble if they did. However if this is the only opiate usage and it isn't causing a problem then there is no real harm in continuing to do so.
 
Alright man. If I am going to be honest I don't think it is wise to bring your personal bias to a harm reduction board and suggest people get on hard drugs to stop a relatively soft one. You may consider a twice weekly user an addict but I really don't think many in the medical community would view it this way. Whether you wanted to count them as an "addict" or not one thing is for sure, 2 doses of codeine a week are NOT going to cause physical dependence. You suggesting someone using these 2 doses get on bupe to cut it out is going to give them one, do you really not see this as counterproductive?

I think in an overzealous classification of addicts you have forgot to account for the fact a large part of opiate dependency is physical addiction and you are CREATING physical addiction if you put a bi weekly codeine user on maintenance doses of bupe. In what backwards ass world is that helpful? Sure if you think dependance on a legal drug is fine so long as a person isn't actually catching a buzz once or twice a week that might make sense, but if it does I would say its more from looking at getting high as a moral issue, rather than looking at drug use/abuse/addiction as a purely medical one.

Also do you realise that when you say "they might say they can stop but the fact is they don't want to and would have trouble if they did," to justify bi weekly dosing as "addiction" then you could pretty much claim that everyone was addicted to 100 different things? I mean sure if your talking about sport or something then its a positive thing to be addicted to, but I am not really aware of too many drawbacks of recreational codeine use I mean it is pretty damn safe!
 
I started with codeine twice a week, 4 times a week, seed twice a week , seed daily.

That was when I went on bupe. Every single person I know on bupe has gone through a progression like this quitting up to 10-20x but never for more than a few weeks.

This is why I put the information out there, you can ignore it if you don't want it. I didn't say you had to do anything.

Because of bupes massive half life they can dose you 3x a week instead of daily as well and in doses as low as 0.4mg so you would be getting far less opiates than your weekly codeine schedule.
 
Yeah the key word there is STARTED twice a week, you weren't an addict when you started and I am damn sure you would of had trouble finding a doc to put you on bupe then.

I am not having a go at you mate, so don't misunderstand me. I just personally question the sense in what you are suggesting ESPECIALLY when you are suggesting people who weren't previously physically addicted to opiates go out and get themselves a bigger monkey on the back. I am confused why you view this as helpful or any more healthy or beneficial than dosing codeine twice a week? Health wise it shouldn't make a difference, the only reason I can see is if you have some kind of moral objection to recreational opiate use. Thats what I am trying to say, your "solution" seems to create as many problems as it solves, infact the only thing it is really "solving" is stopping us from getting high every now and then.
 
I would also like to add, if you felt it neccessary for someone to use some kind of opiate other than codeine to taper then DHC makes much more sense to me than bupe. They use DHC for heroin maintenance in some places so it is obviously a viable ORT drug, I think because its potency is a lot closer to codeines this would be a good option. Especially since in my subjective experience, and most I observed in the thread I make on Riko/DHC, DHC doesn't come close to codeine in terms of recreational value. Add in the sorbitol to prevent massive overuse and the fact that is available straight from the pharmacy rather than prescription only and it seems like a way better option.

I would like to add, I am still not suggesting this for a bi weekly codeine user but IF you are addicted to codeine and have trouble tapering with your DOC then it might be worth examining DHC before you jump in the deep end with bupe.
 
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