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Smokable psilocybin/psilocin?

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arthunter888

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I'm curious whether or not this exists. I read some post long ago about someone experimenting with this, but it could have been heresy, can't find it again anyway.

Is there any chemical law/concept that would allow psiloc(in/ybin) to be converted into a form that works when vaporized?

In theory, if it exists this should feel very DMT-like (only more alien-esque as high intensity shroom trips are very outer-space/science-fiction themed IME).
 
Psilocin/Psilocybin are a 4-HO tryptamine (or ester thereof). Those are less stable than 5-MeO's and ring-unsubstituted tryptamines, and they don't tend to vaporize well nor survive the vaporization well.
 
I'm no chemist so excuse any ignorance, but is it not possible for the molecule to be attached to an inactive chemical group such as a salt or something that would raise the vape-point and allow for thorough vaporization?
 
Yes, if the molecule was in the salt form it would have a higher vaporization temperature. Unfortunately though, that vaporization temperature is higher than the temperature at which the molecule is destroyed. Both psilocin and psilocybin are very easily destroyed by heat.
 
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Yes, if the molecule was in the salt form it would have a higher vaporization temperature. Unfortunately though, that vaporization temperature is higher than the temperature at which the molecule is destroyed.
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There is no "if" here, it's pretty unlikely to see psilocin sold or otherwise distributed as a base. It's almost always salt form(likely fumarate).
 
Dammit, It's not the taste I don't like. It's the extreme sluggishness, no motivation to do anything type of lethargy. I have a feeling that if I can increase the rate of absorption somehow (beyond that of grinding then eating) then maybe--if usual drug rules apply--then the high may be a little more upbeat and energetic. Or is it because of oral metabolites?

Either issue would call for a change of ROA. I'm not going to put fungi where the sun don't shine, so maybe I can order a psilacetin (4-ACO-DMT) powder and plug that for an upbeat trip. Any suggestions?
 
arthunter888 said:
Dammit, It's not the taste I don't like. It's the extreme sluggishness, no motivation to do anything type of lethargy. I have a feeling that if I can increase the rate of absorption somehow (beyond that of grinding then eating) then maybe--if usual drug rules apply--then the high may be a little more upbeat and energetic. Or is it because of oral metabolites?
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No.

arthunter888 said:
Either issue would call for a change of ROA. I'm not going to put fungi where the sun don't shine, so maybe I can order a psilacetin (4-ACO-DMT) powder and plug that for an upbeat trip. Any suggestions?
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4-aco-dmt is one of my favorite psychedelics, and is active just fine orally. :)
 
psilocin has a fairly fast onset orally anyway, far faster than any phenethylamine i've known.

if you had pure psilocin/psilacetin you could try the nasal route (don't use shroom powder) or dissolve in water and use a nebulizer/atomizer to make microscopic droplets of water that you could inhale. just don't inhale too much water or you'll give yourself pneumonia.
 
i was going to suggest a nebulizer if one is bound and determined to try this type of thing, however oral psilacetin works just fine, insufflation doesn't really help.

Nebulizer thing is still kinda ill advised as god knows what else you'd be inhaling.
 
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still kinda ill advised as god knows what else you'd be inhaling.
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i'm no psilocybin or spore expert but i would think that the two would not be the best things to inhale or have any contact whatsoever with the lungs... think about it this way, would you smoke marijuana that had become moldy?
 
The "sluggishness" is an aspect of Psilocin/Psilacetin(4-AcO-DMT), changing your method of administration is not going to change that. If you think you can handle it, you could simply up the dosage, as while during the peak you will not be very active, during the come up I find the larger the dose (at least with Psilacetin), the more restless and energetic I am - in fact if I *don't* dance or do something energetic, I feel very uncomfortable for the 45-60 minutes leading up to the beginning of the trip. (This isn't so true of smaller doses)
 
pwn1j said:
i'm no psilocybin or spore expert but i would think that the two would not be the best things to inhale or have any contact whatsoever with the lungs... think about it this way, would you smoke marijuana that had become moldy?
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well pure psiloxxin wouldn't contain spores, or any part of a mushroom for that matter, but if you were getting psilocin or psilocybin on the black market or 4-Aco-DMT from a chemical supplier there may well still be impurities you wouldn't want to inhale present.
 
Cool, lots of good responses. If I had to guess, I would not think that nasal tryptamines would be any more effective.

Has anybody tried rectal/plugged 4-ACO-DMT? I notice that rectal oxycodone is more speedy than oral oxycodone, so would the same apply to 4-ACO-DMT?
 
what the deuce is "speedy" supposed to mean?

imo rectal oxycodone hits harder and faster than oral oxycodone, but that doesn't make it 'speedy'...

search around and read the big and dandy 4-aco-dmt thread, there are plenty of reports of rectal administration. IIRC rectal and nasal administration of 4-XX-tryptamines is not really much improved over oral administration. there is very little burn, but very little improvement in dose or speed of onset.

compare to the 2C-class, in which rectal administration requires approximately 50% of an oral dose and comes on in about 30 minutes; nasal administration of 2C-X requires approx 1/3 of an oral dose and comes on in about 15 minutes.
 
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