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fcuk9000

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I work out lots and do simple exercises like dumb bell curl and leg press but i lift really heavy weight. Ive been lifting for about 6 years i also do 2 hours of cardio a day. 1 hour jogging after i workout and 1 hour jogging at night. I want to get bigger do you think steroids is a smart choice to make if i want to get bigger. I heard mixed things about steroids some people say its not as bad as people say. Others say its extremely harmful. Will steroids make me bigger? I don't know anything about them and im looking for advise
 
What are your stats? age, height, weight, bf%

What is your diet like? Most likely you are not eating nearly enough to grow and probably not eating the right foods at the right times.

What does your exact workout look like? In my opinion, if you have enough energy to do 1 hr of cardio after a workout you aren't pushing yourself enough during the workout. When you finish a workout, you should barely be able to garner the energy to walk out of the gym.

One other problem is you are doing way way too much cardio if your goal is to get bigger. Cardio not only burns fat it burns muscle. Over doing the cardio is causing your body to use muscle for fuel and therefore not letting it grow.

Just based off of what you said, steroids are not going to help you at all right now. You need to have a proper diet and training routine down and understand why the diet and training are proper, before even considering using steroids. Take some time getting those aspects worked out over a couple of years and during that time research as much as you absolutely can about steroids if you are truly interested in them. Then when the couple of years having a proper diet and training routine down you'll have the knowledge, hopefully, to safely use steroids and make them work for you.
 
Most of my diet is complex carbs. Cutting and bulking is bullshit because when you eat lots of food and workout you will gain more fat then muscle you don't have to eat lots to gain muscle. I cut back my caloric intake to have a low body fat while having the most muscle i can. Im at about 10% body fat. I have a 6 pack i hate when people think there at 12% percent bodyfat but have a gut on them.
 
But yes if you eat a REALLY low amount of calories you will lose muscle mass
 
I also lift VERY hard say i do dumbell curl i start at will the 20s and do some warm up sets and then go to 40s then 60s then i go 80s and then 90s so yeah i lift very hard the 20s and 40s are just warm up sets to warm up my muscle then i do working sets witch is the 60s 80s and 90s i only do 2 muscle groups a day
 
After a hard workout i drink a carb drink mixed with protein to help with recovery but this is for really intense workouts
 
I'd say it's the cardio you are doing is putting your body in `cardio-optimize` mode. I've read a number of things saying that if you want to just put on muscle, keep your body in anabolic mode by just doing lifting - no cardio. OR, if you still want to do that much cardio (don't blame you) - split your days: all cardio one day, all lifting the next. Take in plenty of protein too, obviously.
 
fcuk9000 said:
Most of my diet is complex carbs. Cutting and bulking is bullshit because when you eat lots of food and workout you will gain more fat then muscle you don't have to eat lots to gain muscle. I cut back my caloric intake to have a low body fat while having the most muscle i can. Im at about 10% body fat. I have a 6 pack i hate when people think there at 12% percent bodyfat but have a gut on them.
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sorry to tell you, but cutting and bulking are not bullshit...to put on muscle you have to accept the fact you must put on fat and to cut fat you have to accept the fact you are most likely going to lose some muscle...saying you don't have to eat lots to gain muscle is completely and utterly ignorant..."lean bulking" is the fad that is bullshit...you have to choose a specific goal of either cutting or bulking...if you are gonna bulk then take in more protein and cut the cardio back...nutrient timing also plays an important role as well

also isolating muscles like doing dumbbell curls to get your biceps bigger is actually inhibiting their growth....if you want to grow do big compound movements

and just because you use heavy weight means nothing...I see plenty of people using heavy weight in the gym that don't do the movements properly....like I said if you can go do 1 hr of cardio after a workout you did not push yourself hard enough during that workout

one other question...how many days a week do you work out? Also you still didn't layout your diet and workout. The little bit of stuff you put doesn't show much...from the couple of posts about your workout I'd assume that all you do is bicep curls. And eating mostly complex carbs isn't really doing much to help your muscles grow. They are just giving your body a source of fuel to burn. You need a lot of protein and adequate rest for your muscles to grow.
 
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If you want to be a fat ass while "bulking up" go ahead obviously you haven't worked out without the roids
 
fcuk9000 said:
Should i listen to you witch you prob are already on fucking steroids.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...ndID=25800622&albumID=410353&imageID=50211115

I got in REALLY good shape without the drugs i just want to get bigger stop fucking with me i already know about fitness
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If you want to be a fat ass while "bulking up" go ahead obviously you haven't worked out without the roids
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why come on here asking for advice, when you obviously know it all already...and I actually got to 200 lbs at 8% bf, measured hydro-statically, naturally before ever taking steroids and I'm only 5'7"....you obviously have no clue how steroids or the body actually work...instead of asking questions and then getting pissed off with the answers that people are giving you to try and help you, either take the answers and apply them or stop asking questions and do what you already have in your mind that you want to do

you obviously know everything you need to know and have made your mind up about what you want to do and are just looking for somebody to validate it rather than actually wanting to get the knowledge
 
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why come on here asking for advice, when you obviously know it all already

Yes im very educated but i have no idea about steroids and all i want to know is about steriods not about working out because i already know about lifting and cardio but i have no idea about steroids so educate me

sorry i didnt use . or anything im lazy
 
Here's a good thread titled "When are you ready for AAS" that was posted on another forum that is about steroid education.

Introduction - the best question.. WHY (warning if your a vet most of this information will make you go DUH so don't bother reading the wall of text lol)

Sitting here on a Saturday bored and wanted to contribute an opinion that may be useful for many different people who are considering going with AAS. This is not so much a RULES type of post but more of the WHY behind what a lot of people say on these boards. Many people who have been around AAS for a long time and get asked certain questions over and over again tend to spit out the same responses without every explaining to the person why. And to me the most powerful question about something is WHY. So here is a WHY post, why you are NOT ready or why you ARE ready.

1. Why do they say I need to be x weight, x bf% or x years in the gym before I do a cycle

This is the most common question and if answered incorrectly they say you are not ready and most of the time the newb doesn't know WHY this is so important so here we go. I'm going to answer this by answer other common questions that DIRECTLY relate to this one.

a. How much will I lose when I come off the cycle

Beyond water weight and PCT which I'll mention later the BIGGEST factors in this is your training, genetics and nutrition. But WHY?

Well lets explore that, if you are doing your first cycle and are not close to your genetic potential ( obtainable one that you can get to naturally) and you KNOW what you are doing then after you get off the cycle you might lose the water weight and then GAIN it back in muscle between your cycles. The reason this happens is because you know HOW to train, you know WHAT to eat, and you know what works for you (this last one is a constantly evolving/moving target of knowledge)

So how do you know that you know how to train. For this I'm going to refer you to a cycle log written by iron.E which I really enjoyed reading (his second cycle is in his sig). YOUR LOG is the first step, if you don't know where are were and where you are you don't know what works for you and what does not. Without a log you are out in the ocean without a compass, GPS, or starts to guide you. In other words you have NFI what to do or where you are going and if you eventually hit land you don't know where the hell you are and is more than likely not where you wanted to go. Without this log you CAN NOT build the kind of knowledge needed to continually grow or gain any significant amount of knowledge on YOUR body and what YOU react to. Now don't think I'm talking about a cycle log, I'm talking about a log where you keep your progress that directly relates to what you were doing in the gym during that time period and what you were stuffing in your mouth.

Now what worked for you at 150 lbs may not work for you at 200 lbs because you are closer or at your genetic limit. If you do not have the knowledge and can not connect the data points between what worked and why you can not gain the knowledge of what to do. If you add to that a crutch like AAS during your learning curve you will NEVER know how to train or what to do. With AAS in your system you can run pretty much any training and you will grow however that same training may or may not work for you when you are off. If you don't know how to train and what works then when you end the cycle you are likely to lose everything you gained or most of what you gained and also leave with faulty knowledge. There are 10000 scenarios of what can go wrong with faulty knowledge you can imagine the others.

Now how does this all relate to question 1? Well your weight, years in the gym and bf% are a good indicator of your knowledge and discipline. So it is much easier to ask those questions and tell you that you are not ready then to write everything I just did.

2. Know your AAS PCT and ancillary products

This is the second area that lets you know if you are ready yet. You need to research and this should take you at least a month or 2 at MINIMUM and a ton of questions on boards like these. You need to understand exactly what everything is going to do to your body and what to expect when on it. More so if you are using UG gear because you might just be injecting a vial of oil that has noting in it.

This is the MUCH easier side of using AAS until you really do get to the point past your genetic limits (usually 2 MAYBE 3 cycles done correctly in most cases).

Take the advice from the guys who are trying to help, do not be combative because you read on some article that it does not do things the way someone who is a MOD or a VET just told you. If someone who has been around for a while says something make sure to give them the benefit of the doubt every time and use that as a reason to do more research on the subject and then come to your conclusion. Do not dismiss a vets advice as BS unless you did additional research from many sources that conclusively dictate otherwise. Remember there are things you do not know that you do not know and many of these vets have shed light on this area through research and self experimentation. I read a post before about a guy saying he didn't know what "aspirate" was on an injection, this is the PERFECT example of not knowing what you do not know. He thought he knew how to administer and injection and then through new light realized he didn't. No offense to him whatsoever (seems like a good bro) I just figured it would make a good example of not knowing what you do not know.

Until you know every last detail about what you are going to use DO NOT USE IT YET. DO not just grab a sample cycle and run it. Yeah it might work but so will running dbol for 3 months straight. Understand what you are doing, what to expect, and have a clear path forward. This will also come in handy if you are missing some gear mid cycle, spilled a vial or anything funky happens because you will know enough to know what to do.

3. WHY is this important

a. A cycle will cost you between 4 c's to 1g and that is a lot of money to not get anything out of.

b. The more knowledge you have the more effective the cycle will be

c. Keep your gains post cycle

d. You won't kill yourself or cause permanent damage (generally) with AAS


4. If you have to ask if you're ready, you are not ready.

and finally, keep in mind that even though we talk about AAS like it has no long term effects (which is generally false because they do but will generally not send you to the grave) this ONLY applies to users who KNOW what they are doing and do not ABUSE it.

There are many more aspects to this and hopefully we can get more people posting the why's of if you are ready or not and have a very good compilation of knowledge!

Thanks to bigmanstan on TSC
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As for actually spoon-feeding you information about steroids, I'm not gonna do that and anybody else that does is wrong too. You'll learn more by doing the research yourself and then asking questions. Now on the other hand, I'd be more than happy to answer more direct questions, as I'm sure most anybody else would also.

Some things you should research to get you started:

1. Testosterone and the different esters and what they mean
2. Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) - Nolvdex and Clomid
3. Aromatase Inhibitors (AI's) - Arimidex, Aromasin, Letrozole
4. Beginner Cycles
5. HCG
6. Proper injection techniques and sites
 
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