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16 months on pods - Tapering completely in 4 weeks (log)

Nice job man with the taper. It's always a great feeling to be ahead of schedule. It just gives you that much more momentum and self-esteem to propel you towards the ultimate goals ahead of you.
 
aparenz said:
I'm majoring in chem right now too =)

Been teaching myself organic chemistry this summer. I really like it for some reason (probably cause I like to improvise different drugs haha)
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Just be careful! I had to do 19months in state for manufacturing 3 different drugs. ************ (too incriminating). The law takes that shit real seriously lol.

But I agree even today 8 years since I've touched a chemical, I still sometimes dream about how fun it use to be. The fractional crystalization was the best part, when you boil the drugs in alcohol till it skins then plunge it in the freezer, thats how I use to purify everything. My speed was so pure if you left it out for 10minutes it would turn into a puddle from pulling all the water in from the air.

Theres very few people like us out there lol. But chemistry really is crazy ESPECIALLY when you get deep into organic, because thats how all the drugs are made. Just be careful because I have had some nasty accidents before. Had a jar of hydrochloric acid bust in my face, if I wasn't wearing goggled I'd be blind for sure today. Wow all the memories it brings back..
 
aparenz said:
Nice job man with the taper. It's always a great feeling to be ahead of schedule. It just gives you that much more momentum and self-esteem to propel you towards the ultimate goals ahead of you.
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Thanks! I never realized prior to this taper that self-esteem can actually be more addictive than pods. =]
 
yeah I'm always sure to look up all the MSDS's of every chemical I use and dont fuck around with shitty glass ware. I'd say the most overlooked problems are unsanitary work spaces, shitty ventilation, and unqualified glassware. People that try to half ass chemistry are asking for a death sentence.
 
Bojangles69 said:
I majored in chemistry which is why I consider that one of the easiest things to do. Just think about the steps required to manufacturer a drug like ecstacy or speed (which is what I use to do), it makes standardizing sub a joke from that perspective. But I have to realize my level of "skill" might just be too high for some people to understand, so whatever. What aparenz said though did make sense to at least me. I was assuming the "take off the pin" would go w/out saying but at least someone cleared that up.

And yes Carl, it IS impossible to eye ball a dose. You can't see weight, you can only estimate it. Which is why I said that. I've shot myself in the ass, quads and shoulders over a thousand times easily and when I see a syringe I could care less. I wasn't shooting heroin though maybe it has some magical property that just takes away all your self control. I personally don't understand it no, you're not getting high from the needles its the heroin.

Thats almost like me wanting to eat my weed bowl when I run out of pot, which never happens. But I suppose heroin is so powerful that certain people just can't control themselves.

The LAST thing I'm gonna say about sub is this. I'm not sure what dose some of you sub addicted people plan on jumping off at. But most likely you're gonna wanna get as low as possible. Like .25mg. So tell me Carl how you plan on measuring .25mg with an 8mg pill (which is what jake has and most people who are on sub). You're REALLY gonna recommend people to cut that pill 32 times?
If its a 2mg of course its easier, but like I said thats not what Jake has. Cutting 1 sub pill 32 times is PREPOSTEROUS. I'm not getting any further into this conversation. I stated my opinion as a chem major. I use to dose speed and ecstacy by eye and I had people getting sick left and right when I first started doing that shit. Untill I finally started using liquids to standardize doses. Sure you can do it, but I don't understand why when you're:

1) Wasting more time trying to cut 32 even doses from 1 tiny pill
2) Most likely fucking up the doses at the same time

And jake. If you think dropping a pill in a bit of water is hard, wait till you take out a box cutter and start cutting your subs into pieces you can barely even see. I think the liquid idea is genius, Captain Heroin has vouched for it himself. So my position on this is clear and I'm finished.



Whatever, this is not a sub thread anyway, and its getting a bit off topic.
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Jesus dude, no reason to be so condescending. Maybe if you actually had experience with sub or with shooting herion (and yes it is different), then I wouldn't mind it, but really dude I'm just giving my point of view from over 4 years of experience with suboxone versus your zero.

Where did I say cut a pill 32 times? It's easy to split it in half as is. He's not on doses of .2mg now, so the whole discussion is moot. It's incredibly easy to break it into 2mg segments which is the spot he's at right now.

You seem like a classic over-thinker. Good luck when you actually get off.
 
Ahh some good news. Very good . I know how hard it is withdraws from opiates are inhuman. But I am happy to hear things are going your way. And I look forward to reading your journey thank you for sharing. It helps me. You seem to be on track,doin the next best thing,someday you will look back and find this all hard to believe. Ya know I was on the phone with my sister today and I told her that I wasn't sure I was doing things right. I said am I aloud to feel this content? I never even knew what it felt like to be as calm . I almost feel guilty??? Keep up the good job..I hope you make a stinker though...that would suck. You would be feeling great and all of a sudden your constipated...hey look at the bright side when you finally drop it like it's hot, you will feel as if you climbed Mount Everest ..beat on your chest like king kong..lolo lmao..sorry tryin to lighten up the emotions in here..
;) peace
 
Carl Landrover said:
Jesus dude, no reason to be so condescending. Maybe if you actually had experience with sub or with shooting herion (and yes it is different), then I wouldn't mind it, but really dude I'm just giving my point of view from over 4 years of experience with suboxone versus your zero.

Where did I say cut a pill 32 times? It's easy to split it in half as is. He's not on doses of .2mg now, so the whole discussion is moot. It's incredibly easy to break it into 2mg segments which is the spot he's at right now.

You seem like a classic over-thinker. Good luck when you actually get off.
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I was simply returning your condescending attitude. If you don't like it, don't talk to people like that to begin.
Reread your original post and tell me thats not how you were being, because you were. About the discussion being "moot", thats YOUR opinion. The FACT IS hes not going to jump off at 2mg, and if hes tapering he needs to know how to dose low NOW, not next week.
What should he do just wait till the last day then figure it all out? Is that what smart people do? I don't think so.

I'm not an overthinker, its called "common sense". And your experience on sub is "moot" if you wanna be logical. All you have is YOUR point of view, while I've basically read the entire suboxone thread, and a crap load of others. Anyone whos done any research on it LIKE Captain Heroin, basically the sub genius on this forum, has ALSO mirrored the fact that standardized liquid solutions are the way to go. I'm telling you this isn't debatable. He NEEDS to know how to get low, and butchering the shit out of a pill trying to get even cuts isn't gonna be pretty nor is it smart if you READ some of the threads we have on this forum.

Now please, lets end the fucking sub debate this threads about tapering pods.
 
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missunderstood said:
Ahh some good news. Very good . I know how hard it is withdraws from opiates are inhuman. But I am happy to hear things are going your way. And I look forward to reading your journey thank you for sharing. It helps me. You seem to be on track,doin the next best thing,someday you will look back and find this all hard to believe. Ya know I was on the phone with my sister today and I told her that I wasn't sure I was doing things right. I said am I aloud to feel this content? I never even knew what it felt like to be as calm . I almost feel guilty??? Keep up the good job..I hope you make a stinker though...that would suck. You would be feeling great and all of a sudden your constipated...hey look at the bright side when you finally drop it like it's hot, you will feel as if you climbed Mount Everest ..beat on your chest like king kong..lolo lmao..sorry tryin to lighten up the emotions in here..
;) peace
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omg lmfao @ the last sentence.

Thanks for the kind words brotha. And I hope I go to the bathroom too lol. If I don't go in the morning I'm def taking some laxatives and metamucil. If that doesn't work I'll just have to stop lope till I poop I guess.
 
Bojangles69 said:
omg lmfao @ the last sentence.

Thanks for the kind words brotha. And I hope I go to the bathroom too lol. If I don't go in the morning I'm def taking some laxatives and metamucil. If that doesn't work I'll just have to stop lope till I poop I guess.
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:!=D8o:| whistle while you work..lol..=D
 
lol

I'd like to say this also about loperamide:
http://forum.poppies.org/index.php?showtopic=8805&pid=86939&mode=threaded&show=&st=&#entry86939

That is one of the most promising threads I've ever read. I'm going to finish tapering the pods in 2-3 days and start tapering for 2 weeks from 12mgs loperamide.

I GUARANTEE I won't feel a thing coming off at that point. I think thats gonna be the official second half end of my taper, on loperamide. They say you can poop after 2-3 days, and if you keep dropping it - it seems you'll still poop and it covers wds 90%. This has been my experience so far from being on it, so it makes sense. Lope is gonna be a god send for jumping off tapers at some point in the near future, I guarantee it. People just aren't matching doses right. Thats the only problem I see with it. And I think I "accidentally" matched the pods perfect. Because I feel almost perfect. Nothing better. Nothing worse.
Keep this in mind Quasi if you don't have enough sub to hold you over def consider trying to match your dose with loperamide and taper off it. Obviously the lower you get on pods first the lower a dose loperamide you will need to jump on.
 
^^^ Interesting about matching dose from pods to lope. Because I hadn't used lope before, I started with a low dose (6mg I believe) - and it was good. I think some people go WAY overboard on dosing the lope, but that could be where I was at with my use of pods, I didn't need that much lope.

God - how fun organic chem must be. I wish I would have taken more chemistry way back when, I only took the minimum half year in high-school and I was good at it, it made sense to me. I'm a computer science guy, and I think they quite similar (logical, that's all.) I'm a bit of a kitchen chemist - nothing huge, but I do like my consumable science projects. :P

Carl - re: your question about kratom, yes it does work on opioid receptors, but much weaker than say pods or suboxone. So it gives some WD relief, but still lets my brain adjust to less opiates.
 
JayJohnson said:
^^^ Interesting about matching dose from pods to lope. Because I hadn't used lope before, I started with a low dose (6mg I believe) - and it was good. I think some people go WAY overboard on dosing the lope, but that could be where I was at with my use of pods, I didn't need that much lope.

God - how fun organic chem must be. I wish I would have taken more chemistry way back when, I only took the minimum half year in high-school and I was good at it, it made sense to me. I'm a computer science guy, and I think they quite similar (logical, that's all.) I'm a bit of a kitchen chemist - nothing huge, but I do like my consumable science projects. :P

Carl - re: your question about kratom, yes it does work on opioid receptors, but much weaker than say pods or suboxone. So it gives some WD relief, but still lets my brain adjust to less opiates.
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I switched from a computer science major to a chemistry major so I find they really do have their similarities. It's EXTREMELY difficult though to find the average computer science guy (gaming nerd) who has any type of interest in the manipulation of different chemicals.
 
ONCE AGAIN the lope is holding me over perfect and I took 2mgs less last night, so 10mg total.

I finally made a movement this morning and wound up going again 5 minutes after that. No pain or discomfort at all.
I'm just so surprised that lope is holding me over so well like this. It also actually feels like it dropped my blood pressure down too. I was taking 20mg inderal at points to keep the bp low and it wasn't doing shit, but amazingly lope works great for this too. I'm really starting to think we don't understand opiates as well as we think we do.. or loperamide more specifically.

Just consider how the brain activates withdrawal. It doesn't seem feasible since your BODY is in all the pain, that your brain is completely responsible for the wds. I was actually thinking, that our brain receptors trigger wd by sending a message to our stomachs opiate receptors, and thats how the message gets outside brain and triggers wds. I'm thinking because the lope saturates the receptors, the brain tricks itself into thinking it has an opiate, and the message goes back to the brain, then back to the stomach gets blocked, and just keeps going back and forth. But thats my genius theory lol.

Or maybe it really is just the small amounts of lope that pass the brain that stop withdrawal. All I know is I'm feeling great once again so thank you lope!

And I can't believe how many chem/science geeks we have in here lol. I kinda considered myself a "hip chemist" back in the day, as most of the shit I was making/doing was illegal. Drugs were fun to make, some much more challenging then others (MDMA took 1 1/2 years of failed reactions (was doing the isosafrole route/vacuum chamber) before I got it right, speed I got my second cook right (using just red phosphorous and iodine) but the first time I ever took my own homemade shit, is when I realized how utterly weak and unpure street shit was. I was blown away by how little I had to take to get high.
And of course thats when I first started developing serious problems with drugs. By getting addicted to my own homemade supply, which I'm sure is pretty rare.

Its a lot of fun but still sometimes randomly when July 4th comes around I order a bunch of cardboard, oxidizers, metal powders & go nuts making shells, sparklers, m-80s (I make a crazy flash powder thats LOUD), and all sorts of random shit. I still have about 20lbs of potassium nitrate left over from last July 4th lol. I prob could have made a decent living in chemistry if I wasn't such a criminal about it all, if I could just appreciate legal chemicals.. but legal chems really are fucking boring. Not like I'm gonna go through all that work to make some gd nail polish remover. So its best I just remove myself from chemistry as much as possible, for my own survival.
 
what are your experiences with methcathinone? I was going to mess with some of that but I haven't heard of anyone's personal experiences haha
 
aparenz said:
what are your experiences with methcathinone? I was going to mess with some of that but I haven't heard of anyone's personal experiences haha
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Methcathinone I use to do by oxidizing ephedrine with potassium permanganate. Its actually one of the easiest things to make in the world. Far easier then speed, and a hundred times easier then MDMA.

You literally just do an acid/base extraction to get the Ephedrine out. I'd gas it out of ether then wash it with acetone and put it in a dehydrator to evaporate any residual acetone.
Then you have to make a specific concentration of potassium permanganate and water. This solution has to stay in an icebath because it the temperature rises to much above freezing the permanganate will over oxidize the ephedrine into waste products.
But I'd leave it in the icebath for about 12 hours, and when you come back the ENTIRE solution wreaks of the sweetest almond smell you'll ever smell in your life. I use to wanna drink it thats hold good it smells.
But basically after that you just freebase the methcathinone out of solution, drop ether into the mix and shake. The ether rises to the top, you draw it off into a seperate container and gas out the methcathinone.

I liked it a lot the first time I took it, as it actually seemed to possess some pain killing properties. It also had strong stimulant affects but nothing like speed at all. Even though chemically its so close to methamphetamine it feels completely different. I did it a couple times and got bored with it, then went back to my harder to make goodies. But overall if your bored its not a bag drug at all. It will make you paranoid overtime just like speed, except it usually takes a lot more abuse compared to meth. Overall its a decent high but nothing euphoric like speed or MDMA.
 
missunderstood said:
Bo you are doing so good I am happy to see it. Keep it up.
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Thank you! I definitely feel ready to jump off any day as the lope is holding me over 100% at this point. So I just need to pick a day to stop and I'm gonna taper down off the loperamide to cover any residual wds in the next week or so.
 
Ahh interesting. I'm assuming the almond smell is from the formation of an aromatic aldehyde?

Also I believe I read somewhere that bleach (Sodium hypochlorite) has a higher yield and is less dangerous than potassium permanganate for the oxidation.
 
Bojangles69 said:
Thank you! I definitely feel ready to jump off any day as the lope is holding me over 100% at this point. So I just need to pick a day to stop and I'm gonna taper down off the loperamide to cover any residual wds in the next week or so.
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Awesome, I love it, I am sure that you made an impact with this thread. I am sure you gave others hope, were they had none. And you also made people very aware of the dangers and how innocent it all begins. I already told you it saved my ass. Ya know the longer you are clean the more your disease plays tricks.The addict in me was saying" it's just tea.."....my mind began to play with me. And then I ran into BOJANGLES69...snap back to reality....thanks man, keep walkin that walk, I am following you...Peace;)
 
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