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Why the fuck isn’t weed legal by now?

Our Federal Government employees are generally lazy. Legalization of Marijuana would require the re-writing of the United States Sentencing Guidlines for Drug crimes. Every illegal drug in the US has a Marijuana Equivalent. When convicted of a crime involving drugs, they are converted to an amount of marijuana for sentencing purposes. A handful of MDMA can equal a truckload of Marijuana, as the conversion is 500 g to 1g. that means that 4 average x pills would equal half a Kilo of pot, and thus mean more prison time in the federal system. As an ex-offender, I had a crash course in federal law.
 
Like many have said, because the government hasn't worked out a way to tax it yet. The second they do believe the ball will start rollin'...
 
weed is very unlucky for me, the one state that it is possibly going to be legal in is also coincidentally the most expensive state to live in, not to mention of all drugs weed stays in your system the longest for drug tests, alcohol is looking up more and more every day
 
The problem with weed is that you dont need to buy it from a store you can buy it from anyone who grows it, so they dont pay taxes for those sells. Unlike tobacco and cigarette companies who i agree are WAY worse than weed. Maybe a boycott of tobacco and cigarretes will get them to legalize weed. The smoking industry is up in the billions now =/
 
Why the fuck isn’t weed legal by now? Seriously? Everyone knows it is safer then alcohol, we know it would help the economy out exponentially. Like why the fuck is it not legal?

B/C they can't find a way to regulate taxes on it since people would grow their own =D

No really, I'm with you. I think it should be legal!
 
if cannabis is made legal, that will re open the mega marketplace of cannabis and hemp products, not just for smoking and getting high purposes. Oil, cotton, paper, timber, fuel, energy, food, plastic, plus a few thousand more industrys will be put out of business due to the fast renuable plant that can be harvested more times per year than any other industry.
and rich people just want to stay rich, if it was made legal, those bastards would become poor and because of the powerful positions they are in if they become poorer. it could cause problems in trade with other countrys.

research why it was made illegal in the first place... you'll be surprised!
 
Even when it's legal, it's still going to be controlled, right? Xanax and Lortab are legal with a script, but if I have any without a script, I'm still breaking the law. It's a step in the right direction, but it's no reason to start heading to Cali and uproot like I've read people post and have heard people say. Or to throw a big smoking bash. Am I wrong? This is one post I'd prefer to be wrong in my info.

Either way, It will be a much-needed victory for those with serious or fatal illnesses!
 
To all the people saying everybody would just grow their own, and thus the gov wouldn't be able to tax it . . .one can also grow tobacco, but how many people do? How many people smoke tobacco again?

And a very simple rebuttal: how many of the patients in California who are legally allowed to grow 6 (mature) plants, actually grow? They even sell clones in the clinics around here, and yet people still don't grow their own, those places get MASSIVE amounts of business, why else do you think there's hundreds in LA alone?

Hi, this is reality checking in: most people wouldn't be able to grow dank weed . . .and thus people go to clinics! Wow, isn't that unbelievable!?!?

You can also brew your own beer . . .but who does? Same thing.
 
To all the people saying everybody would just grow their own, and thus the gov wouldn't be able to tax it . . .one can also grow tobacco, but how many people do? How many people smoke tobacco again?

And a very simple rebuttal: how many of the patients in California who are legally allowed to grow 6 (mature) plants, actually grow? They even sell clones in the clinics around here, and yet people still don't grow their own, those places get MASSIVE amounts of business, why else do you think there's hundreds in LA alone?

Hi, this is reality checking in: most people wouldn't be able to grow dank weed . . .and thus people go to clinics! Wow, isn't that unbelievable!?!?

You can also brew your own beer . . .but who does? Same thing.



You know the space, time and effort needed when it comes to growing tobacco?

Marijuana's a bit more "brown thumb"-friendly, in my opinion.
 
Regardless of what is and is not easy, people don't commonly grow weed here in California even when they possess the legal right to. They simply go with the convenient option of visiting a clinic, and being reasonably assured of quality bud (if you're not retarded and do a little shopping). No months of growing, no special equipment or fertilizers required. No special curing techniques, no scent bothering the neighbors, etc.

Growing quality weed isn't as easy as you make it out to be, though (perhaps you were referring to schwag being "brown thumb" friendly.) Anyone can grow marijuana, but most of the inexperienced growers will produce mediocre bud.


Again, though, that doesn't matter, as we can see in the real world that people do not grow weed commonly, even though it would save them hundreds, perhaps thousands, on a yearly basis.
 
Regardless of what is and is not easy, people don't commonly grow weed here in California even when they possess the legal right to. They simply go with the convenient option of visiting a clinic, and being reasonably assured of quality bud (if you're not retarded and do a little shopping). No months of growing, no special equipment or fertilizers required. No special curing techniques, no scent bothering the neighbors, etc.

Growing quality weed isn't as easy as you make it out to be, though (perhaps you were referring to schwag being "brown thumb" friendly.) Anyone can grow marijuana, but most of the inexperienced growers will produce mediocre bud.


Again, though, that doesn't matter, as we can see in the real world that people do not grow weed commonly, even though it would save them hundreds, perhaps thousands, on a yearly basis.



By "brown thumb"-friendly I just meant that the learning curve for growing quality weed isn't as steep for things like producing fine-tasting beer or decent tasting tobacco.

In retrospect, though, I'm probably wrong... with each substance you have to know what you're doing... or, at the very least, use whatever resources are at your disposal to do things properly.

I guess it boils down to the fact that I'm much more motivated to grow pot than I would be to grow tobacco or brew liquor, so I'd be more enthusiastic about knowing exactly how to produce the kinds of results I want.



Still, though, if marijuana was legalized tomorrow you'd better believe I'd have seeds germinating by tomorrow night, but I'm not as quick to risk blowing my house up with a personal distillery or growing a natural, flavorless tobacco that I'd feel the need to buy those hollowed out cigarette tubes/filters for.
 
Haha, of course you would =D


But I'm only talking about the general population. Most of us don't grow weed because we're too damn lazy/inexperienced, so we go to clinics. All I'm saying, is that we already have examples of real-world situations, in which the overwhelming majority does not grow, and thus the gov. would still be making boatloads of money off weed. In any case, they could instate "growing licences," and you would pay an annual fee, just like Fish & Game licences.


I'm not trying to directly argue with you, I just think the argument we're discussing is a bit frivolous, as there are numerous ways the gov. could easily handle the situation. The real reason, much like one of the original reasons it became illegal, has to deal with industry, imo (definitely opinion, I could be ass-wrong).
 
Haha, of course you would =D


But I'm only talking about the general population. Most of us don't grow weed because we're too damn lazy/inexperienced, so we go to clinics. All I'm saying, is that we already have examples of real-world situations, in which the overwhelming majority does not grow, and thus the gov. would still be making boatloads of money off weed. In any case, they could instate "growing licences," and you would pay an annual fee, just like Fish & Game licences.


I'm not trying to directly argue with you, I just think the argument we're discussing is a bit frivolous, as there are numerous ways the gov. could easily handle the situation. The real reason, much like one of the original reasons it became illegal, has to deal with industry, imo (definitely opinion, I could be ass-wrong).
I completely agree with this. Most likely the government would make it so it's still illegal to sell to others, just like growing your own tobacco and brewing your own beer. I know you'll say that they'll do it anyways, but why would someone go to that person to buy when they can just go to a clinic? Doesn't make much sense, does it? We'll see what happens, I may be completely wrong, but regardless, the government will make a boatload of money off it.
 
I completely agree with this. Most likely the government would make it so it's still illegal to sell to others, just like growing your own tobacco and brewing your own beer. I know you'll say that they'll do it anyways, but why would someone go to that person to buy when they can just go to a clinic? Doesn't make much sense, does it? We'll see what happens, I may be completely wrong, but regardless, the government will make a boatload of money off it.

Not sure if you mean me by "you", but I wasn't talking about growing for the benefit of others. ;)



edit: Holy shit that was bigger than I expected it to be.
 
Sorry for the long post, but you should take the time to read this because the more people who realize this the faster we can work on ways to counter-act these factors, if it is possible at all.

I don't think cannabis will ever be legalized beyond the state level unless a very very large number of citizens join together and aggressively confront our anti-cannabis government. There are 2 broad, STRONG reasons why cannabis will be tough to legalize:

1) ECONOMY

The tobacco industry would decline, as more people would realize that--if they're going to inhale the harsh combustion products of a plant--it might as well be something that gives hours of euphoria rather than a useless 5-minute rush.

The pharmaceutical industry would decline, because the majority of their products are intended for symptom-relief: because of cannabis' ability to relieve a wide array of symptoms with out many negative side effects, it would replace many side-effect-ridden, potentially unhealthy pharmaceutical relief-products.

The alcohol industry would perhaps be the most damaged by cannabis. Given the choice between cannabis or alcohol as a recreational drug, I think most (if they were smart) would choose cannabis. Alcohol is addictive, hepa-toxic (liver), neuro-toxic, depletes the body of essential vitamins, and it's effects are generally not that euphoric, not to mention the hangover is sickly hell. Cannabis is non-addictive, non-toxic in any way except maybe to the lungs (but that's based on ROA), it is actually neuro-protective in some ways, there's not much of a hangover, and the high is relatively more euphoric. As ironic as it seems, the alcohol and tobacco industries are huge fundraisers for those phony "Above the Influence" commercials that are more funny than they are persuasive: using cannabis as a scapegoat makes their horrendous/destructive products seem more legitimate.

In addition to these^ 3 enemies of cannabis, you also have it's illegality economically tied into law enforcement. Because cannabis is involved in a large portion of criminal drug cases, there is a high number of police/LEO that would be laid off because of the decrease in work that would result from legalization. Also, like other drug cases, cannabis cases generate revenue for the government in the form of property seizures, fines, prison stock value, etc. However, I think this money would be exceeded by the profit from taxation of legal cannabis.

2) CULTURE

This is often the more overlooked--but very influential--aspect of the cannabis-ban. The LSD ban is a good precedent for explaining this. The main reason government outlawed LSD was because it was having a profound effect on the culture of it's users that went against the grain of capitalist consumerism. The US government has always been, and continues to be a corrupt entity. It conspires against it's own citizens, stealing financial resources/power from the middle and lower classes in very subtle ways while it is virtually a puppet controlled by the hands of the economic top 5% class minority. The continuation of this agenda depends on the oppressed citizens constantly working and consuming while being distracted/sedated from the deceit, political propaganda, and mind control pushed by the government. We are kept distracted from the real socio-political oppression with junk television, the false promises of the "American Dream", conformity, and economic competition (in which we end up fighting against ourselves rather than the upper 5% ).

In the midst of the "Turn-on, Tune in, Drop Out" lifestyles of the counter-culture of the late 1960s, government realized that this counterculture had become impervious to government bullshit. When LSD placed the most vulnerable part of the human mind--the ego--on the "back-burner" of consciousness, the mind was liberated. Without the naivety of the ego, these acid-heads were more sensitive to the truth of the larger picture: they started asking powerful questions and could no longer be easily deceived or sedated by government authorities; they "saw right through" the oppressive government agendas and realized how much of a bully government was. This "awakening" presented in the form of people abandoning the spiritually-empty "cookie cutter" lifestyle of never questioning authority, getting married/having several children, greed, the purchasing of unnecessary luxuries, all of which directly benefit the upper class minority. They traded this for a life of living-as-opposed-to-working, nature, community/sharing, spirituality, introspection, and self-discovery, all of which are threats to capitalism.

Although certainly not as powerful as LSD, cannabis effects have more commonalities with psychedelic drugs than any other drug category. It can influence all of the above LSD-induced cultural changes to an extent. A dramatic increase in the number of cannabis-users would likely lead to a revival of a similar counterculture, only in this day and age it would be much harder to suppress once it gained momentum because of how much more-educated our current generation is compared to the 1960s. I think most can agree that the cultural effects of cannabis are not consistent with mainstream/conformist culture. The government is all about using mind-control and programming strategies as a way of preventing the overthrow of those (outnumbered) in power, and the better they do this, the more they are given "contributions" (paid off) by said wealthy people/groups.
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And to think, all of these^^ socio-economic animals grew from the initial anti-cannabis effort of a long-ago greedy farmer who felt threatened by the economic potential of hemp products, so therefore spread exaggerations and/or lies like: cannabis makes people crazy and will destroy their brains and ruin lives. Give me a fucking break!! I was high when I wrote all this, so that should further prove my point about the above-mentioned anti-sedation of cannabis. --Peace.
 
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^^^I almost hit you with an ignorant comment along the lines of tl;dr, but then I gave your essay a go. =D



One of the few "walls of text" posts I'm actually glad I read. Thanks, man.
 
+1

Also, I think Cannabis can cause problems, I love weed and toke up as often as possible but I am satisfied that it's illegal. It can cause some problems, one of my friends used to toke around 3grams everyday (WITHOUT fail) and he began to get some severe paranoia and at stages depression. He always thought someone when they were calling him was trying to do something to him or someone was planning something on him.
He eventually got caught, and stayed off it for like a week and when he had the chance to toke again he was literally shaking and he paid twice the price for what he bought, he was that desperate.
He then went back to his 30 bag a day, he also used it to calm down his ADHD (he had it pretty bad) and it worked. He was then caught again and stopped completely, it took a few months for him to go back to normal but now he's fine.
Although this person never tried any other drugs, apart from e's but he stopped taking them long before this, showing that weed is not a gateway drug.
I think persistent use of large amounts can cause problems, so if it is moderated it should be legalized, but people will still have problems with that, there will never be an agreement.
- Please do not argue with this stating scientific facts proving otherwise etc, I witnessed this first hand and although I can't entirely blame it on weed, he did smoke a lot and I have heard of previous cases of people having a few problems from toking too often. I'm just merely stating what i've seen. Although time can heal it as shown but maybe not for everyone.

Marijuana in and of itself is not addictive. Some people have addictive personalities, however. People can get addicted to anything, like tv. Just because your friend is a fiend doesn't mean marijuana is problematic.
 
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