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Advice wanted after friend dies taking methadone.

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methadone seems to be a contributing factor in a lot of overdoses. I know it has a very long half life.

I dunno. I have mixed 5mg valium with vicodin before, and have felt my breathing was effected. could have been placebo effect, but I could see that much xanax mixed with methadone stopping someone from breathing. I do have a pretty decent vike tolerance too.

I really don't think you have to worry about it being suicide. Anyone taking drugs like that, and I am not excluded, is being self destructive without a doubt, but I don't see anything that shows his death was intentional.

I'm sorry about your loss, I couldn't imagine the pain...
 
I'm sorry to hear that this has happened to someone, especially someone you're close too. The xanax amount really isn't *too* high that he supposidly took, especially if it was 10mgs. I can see it being a problem if it was 20mgs and he had no tolerance to benzo's though.

Really, I know you want to know why he died, the amount of drugs in his body, etc, but in all reality, I don't think it's going to make you feel any better. Just remember him for who he was, and the good friend he was to you, that's the best thing you could do for yourself right now. Good luck.
 
I'm sorry for your loss, truely.

The Xannax alone isn't enough to kill someone, IMO. I took 40 mg of methadone without an opiate tolerance and was sick for a day or two, and I could easily imagine the large amount of benzo's (known to be a great methadone potentiator) could cause fatal OD.

Again, sorry for your loss, goes to show how opiates and for that matter any other drug use needs to be carefully monitored.
 
shoreline420 said:
my brother died from the same combo.... i know how you feel hang in there
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I'm very sorry to hear about your brother. I still am in no better place really myself mentally over this. I think maybe if he had just took the methadone without the benzos he would have made it.. I can't believe he wouldn't have known that taking benzos with the methadone was risky.. but then maybe he just didn't think too much about it. it's not helping trying to think it over and over and wondering why he made such a bad error, but I can't help it.
 
Psilo707 said:
Really sorry for your loss.. I hope his family and friends can get through this as best as possible.


As for reason of death, it wasn't the xanax, even at that high of a dose. The biggest xanax are the 2 mg bars, and I'm willing to bet thats what he had. But even at 16-20 mg, that substance wouldn't be the reason for someone to die. Benzo's in general can't kill someone unless they are taken in extreme amounts (we're talking dozens, or even hundreds).

It was most likely the combination of cocaine and methadone. Even though that's not a very high methadone dose, when combining that 'with' a recently finished cocaine binge, it's wouldn't be hard for the body to become overwhelmed and shut down.
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Yes that's what I think too, I think he just pushed himself way too hard and it was too much for his body. Seems a very heavy duty weekend all round and he wasn't in that gooda shape either, he'd put on weight and didn't exercise that much.. and recently some people had been telling him his breathing was sounding heavy and very noticeable. I'm not sure why either, as he didn't smoke.
 
Im really really sorry to hear about this. This amount of dose is very fatal. expescially if he had never done methadone before. im so sorry.
 
Dkm2 said:
Im really really sorry to hear about this. This amount of dose is very fatal. expescially if he had never done methadone before. im so sorry.
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thankyou. it's just strange though that his last email to me doesn't read like a final one.. I think he just misjudged for some odd reason.. but the question still hangs there abit.. and it's not easy to be sure of his actual intentions at that time..
 
Very sorry for your loss. My suspicion is the 'done and zanny combo just shut down his breathing. I have gotten way out of it on 10 mg. of Xanax. I am opiate tolerant and putting 30 mg. of 'done on top of that, including the fact he was on a comedown from blow, IMO, would be enough to stop his breathing. Especially if he timed it right. If he took the 'done 3-4 hrs. before he took the zannys, the zannys would have kicked in right as the 'done was starting to peak. And for an opiate naive person, i believe 30 mg. would be sufficient, unfortunately. Try to be strong and don't hold yourself responsible. I have had an old high school acquaintance who died from a heart attack doing blow, and it was not his first time doing it. Far from it. Sometimes fucked up shit happens to good people. Try to be at peace:\
 
Another reason why I wish everyone had someone to trip sit them. Someone needs to be present to arouse the person and make them ventilate.

He went out in a very peaceful way.....
 
Hi Pinkmoon

First off you have my condolences for the loss of your friend. I just wanted to say something about your thoughts on his e-mail to you. I've comforted family and friends when somebody close to them took their own life, they tortured themselves with thoughts about 'if only they had noticed how low they were, maybe they could have helped them.' If those things are crossing your mind, please don't think like that, that email did not read like the words of somebody who was knowingly taking their life. It read like he was confused, like he was tired, it sounds like a tragic accident.

take care
 
I just wanted to reply to this, though I've never done the drugs themselves, but to offer my condolences, I'm very sorry this happened, its very hard when you lose a friend :(
 
that is so sad, i'm sorry for your loss..
i remember the 5th time or so ever taking it, i took 30mg and was puking so much, i was so sick. i couldnt imaging comin off coke and taking so many bars along with that... /: mann.

i'll keep you & his family in my prayers.. :'(
 
Nearly every Methadone death is a result of the person being either opiate naive, and/or mixing Methadone with Benzo's.

Even experienced Methadone users have died mixing Methadone with Benzos.

Be very careful mixing Opiates with Benzos, not matter how much of a tolerance you have to either/both.
 
pjsykes said:
is there a problem w your heart just stopping from methadone use?
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No, it's more likely that your breathing would stop as both of those drugs are CNS depressants.

Also, the poster mentions the person had some recent breathing problems.

Sleep Apnea could've contributed to his death as well.

Be careful mixing CNS depressants.
 
I am very sorry for your loss. My best friend died of the same combo on the phone with me. Add some cocaine and valium to the mix. I know exactly how you feel right now. If you need to talk to anyone feel free to message me anytime. He died in 07 and I am still not over it, worstly it happened on my husbands birthday.. so its a really really rough time for me. I can tell you in ways it gets better.. but right now things are going to be very hard. Like I said if you need to talk I am here.
 
No desrespect, but i got prescribed 40mg diazepam 140mg methadone and 15mg zopiclone a day (i walk around, drink heavily sometimes, got a very high tollerance, do gbl as well. We met this girl in a pub sold us a bottle containing 250mg liqud morphine sulphate her advice bening just take little swigs till u feel it n gave it to a drunk friend I told his girlfriend to take it off him and ill get him wrecked inn a good way he tries to self dose he'll die....this is after him having too big gulps and me saying put the FUCKING lid on and give it to me it'll fucking kill u man seriously quarter or so of that bottle could off u mate i aint jokin. NOTNFUCKING JOKING(HE'd had like maybe 10-12 pints and whiskey. The gf took the bottle n we were chillin downstairs. he went upstairs sayin he was gonna do a piss. i asked if she hidden well she grinned and went yeah i said everyone try n keep him awake coz he was going on about how i was wrong and its lush. As a 10yr opiate annd benzo addict i bare to differ but what cud i say. HE snuck up stairs drank bottle went to bed. I should of tried to get halves i feel guilt if i'd had halve he'd maybe made it...FUCK I wish i met the ggirl first n got it...i'm the only user in that bgroup ex-mates and girlfriend. lifes bit shit at mo lost 3 friends to drugs no it's fucked. I'm trying to sort myself out have lowered me meth to 105 and am of valium now so getting there slowly. if .he's a good guy he'll be in a good space. So sorry for your loss man i didn't get to go to all 3 funerals coz i'm still a junkky (in councelling only take docs meds reducing as fast as i can *shug*
 
Well....this is life...sometimes people die...
Just hang in there - everything will be fine!
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Mixing benzos and opiates is dangerous especially to those without much experience with either. I will mix the two on occassion, usually taking 2mg's of xanax, but I have been taking opiates daily for over 3 years.

Ive noticed that Methadone seems to be one of the most strictly prescribed meds, more so than oxy, opana, morphine, etc. The amount of time it remains active in the body makes it unlike other opiates. It can build up in the body, or if too high of an amount is taken at once you are in trouble because it lasts a long long time.

About 6 years ago when I had no opiate tolerance I took 10mg's of methadone at a party and I was blasted. I enjoyed it, but when I got home I puked. I dont know your friends opiate tolerance to really get an idea of how strong 30mg's would be.
 
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