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Disapointed by DMT... My fault?

RecklessWOT

RecklessWOT

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A few weeks ago I finally got the chance to smoke some DMT and was pretty disappointed. Just wondering if anyone might know why I had such a dull experience as it's a drug I know very little about, I'll try to include every detail.

Well a few months ago I missed out on what I thought was going to be my only chance to smoke some DMT. I went down to philly for a 4 day weekend to party and every night I ended up being too tired from driving so long, being too fucked up to know what was going on, or just not feeling well enough to do it. It finally was about time to go home on sunday and I didn't feel like smoking it before a 4hr drive despite it's short effects (fearing a burn out effect or something). Sadly I had to go home without experiencing dimitri myself.
I went back down one month later to find out my friend's connect was in jail and there would be no more DMT. I was a little bummed to hear that but i quickly forgot about it and still had a great time anyways. Later in the weekend my friend found a bag in the corner of his apartment with a few hits still left in it, it was left over from the month before. Sure enough I jumped on the opportunity.
I made a lightbulb vape to smoke it from as my friend says heating it directly with a flame out of a pipe will destroy it. He knows more about it than me so I trust his input. I took a fairly large rip and held it as long as i could, then I finished my hit in a second rip. I watched how much my friend dosed out and it was about the same amount as he and his friends usually smoke (don't know how many MG) and I've seen them trip pretty hard off it. I got very minor kaleidoscopic effects when I looked dead ahead at the white wall ahead of me. If I moved my head at all it was gone. That and it made me very slow and stupid feeling. Nothing else. I told my friend about it and he was a little surprised. Determined to send me away the right way he loaded up a lot more in the bulb and cooked it up for me to make sure I didn't fuck it up. He told to tap him after each rip to let him know if I was still here and needed another. I ended up smoking the rest of the bag which contained enough for at least 3 or 4 people he said. All that happened this time was that nasty mothball and spraypaint taste on some burnt lips. Everyone there was SURE i was going to be out of my mind, but nothing at all. I did have pretty high expectations going into it which I know usually isn't good, but that shouldn't mean I get no effects at all. It was just sitting around for at least a month, could it have gone bad? Also I forgot to mention I had 3 liquid hits of acid about 2 nights before, could that have canceled it out or something?

Anyone know why this happened? I would appreciate input from anyone who knows a little about this topic. I may very well never come across the stuff ever again, but I guess I'd still like to know what happened.
 
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RecklessWOT said:
Also I forgot to mention I had 3 liquid hits of acid about 2 nights before, could that have canceled it out or something?
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Yes. You might have also smoked it too slowly.
 
The usual rule of thumb is to wait a full hour between each failed attempt, with each attempt being just a couple back to back hits. My guess is you didn't get enough at first, and by the time you had gotten what would have been enough, tolerance/receptor downregulation kicked in.

Or, maybe you just have an unusual body chemistry that reacts poorly to DMT. Were you on any meds, etc. at the time?
 
I wasn't on any meds or other drugs for that matter either. It was a long few days of partying hearty though. I did make the two attempts within 15 minutes, that could have had something to do with it. Also my body is pretty weird. Some drugs I am super-sensitive to and others I have quite the tolerance to before I ever try it.
 
Freakin' sweet...
Well no harm done I guess, just sort of curious. If I run across it ever again I guess I know what not to do again. Thanks for the responses guys
 
did you hold it in for a long time?
some people i know have had problems getting decent effects because they exhaled too quickly...
 
There are two very possible reasons you didn't "take off" on DMT.

1) It could have been the acid you 2 days ago. It is known that acid and psilocybin both are subject to tolerance. If two seperate doses are administered within a month/few weeks (tolerance period varies), a second equi-potent dose will have diminished power (like 50% maybe). AFAIK this tolerance applies across different tryptamines (acid/shrooms or acid/dmt or shrooms/dmt). Since psilocybin, acid, and DMT are all tryptamines that act on the same receptor--serotonin (5HT-2A)-- I assume that tolerance will apply.

2) Another tolerance that's more influencial, is that DMT causes tolerance to itself, and it does so quickly. This means if you don't finish your adequate dose in under 40ish seconds, you likely won't have enough power to cross the membrane to hyperspace. This is why experienced dmt smokers will divide like 50ish mg into two hits, having the second hit pre-measured and ready to go. They try to take the first hit in with as big a lung-full as possible, hold for 15, exhale, few breaths, take second hit with max lung-full, hold again. By this point you should be unaware of the pipe, a lot don't remember exhaling the second hit! If you are still "aware", then sneak in a third hit quick if you can under a minute total. 2 big hits are usually what it takes to break through. If your hits are too spaced out, then likely the latter hits don't have as much 'punch' as they should. The problem of getting enough quickly enough is a problem due to the harsh plasticy smoke (coughing out too soon).
The good news is DMT tolerence ends quickly, I think it resets in an hour or two. But acid/psilo tolerance last weeks to months, so it's likely that waiting an hour not have solved the tolerance problem in your case unless a massive dmt dose was taken in a very short time.

I am not a professional, so correct me if any facts are inaccurate. But based on much dmt-research, I think both of these, or either, contributed to a dull experience. To test #2, could you describe a rough time-line of you taking the dmt hits, including how big the hits were (did you cough), and how long each was held?
 
My guess is that there was something not right about your smoking technique. That seems way more likely to me than that DMT just isn't that big of a deal.
I agree totally with B9 that DMT is often very unpredictable and in fact, each time seems distinctly different - more so than with any other drug I know. But even if the trip itself is unpredictable it should be consistently fierce.
I have botched my last couple of tries smoking the best quality DMT I've had yet. I blame my pipe, personally - and the way the vapor travels to my mouth. I have choirboy / steel wool now and I may replace a piece of my pipe that is probably too dirty/oily - even to completely clean (it's the stem of my bong's cone) so one of these days I will be using a makeshift machine and rip one of the biggest doses I have ever had on DMT.

I hope that you will have access to it on enough occasions in your life and that you will get to experience a true DMT trip, broken through or not. If 50 mg is a breakthrough, I would say that 25-30 mg can still easily be a milestone out-of-this-world experience. It is simply the most otherworldly experience with infinitely interesting properties like common themes being childish joyous things, elves, hyperspace, alien information/symbolism/telepathy and other entities. Something that I have also had on multiple occasions was just that unspecificly 'the impossible was happening'.
 
DMT does not produce tolerance, though. You can break through repeatedly off the same 50-60mg dose, without any break between trips.

However, I have recently heard of or witnessed 4 people waste over a total of 1000mg of DMT combined due to improper smoking technique. Choking the hits out, exhaling them without ghosting, using devices which leaked smoke, which doesn't have proper airflow and suction, etc. They were all complaining about the taste, etc. None got any significant effects.

I no longer think smoking is an acceptable method for doing DMT. I'm going to stick to plugging, oral, or IV.
 
DMT does not produce tolerance, though. You can break through repeatedly off the same 50-60mg dose, without any break between trips.
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Yeah agreed, tho after say three goes at it there is a tolerance issue for me.
it seemed to be the consensus at one time that you had one shot at it then tolerance would lock you out of the game, I found that not to be so.
 
arthunter888 said:
The good news is DMT tolerence ends quickly, I think it resets in an hour or two. But acid/psilo tolerance last weeks to months, so it's likely that waiting an hour not have solved the tolerance problem in your case unless a massive dmt dose was taken in a very short time.
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As far as I'm aware LSD tolerance doesn't last for months, wait a week at minimum before dosing again to get rid of tolerance. However if you say dosed the next day, tolerance would play a large role, it would around twice as much LSD to get anywhere - From my personal experience anyway.
 
It took me a few goes to get an effective technique. I had nearly finished a gram by the time I got a really satisfying breakthrough when I first obtained it. I agree also that tolerance is not an issue prvided you get your technique right.

Here my tips. To get abreakthrough, the you have to suddenly get a maximal quantity of DMT onboard your system within a short space of time. If the DMT level in at your synapses creeps up too slowly, the mind does not make the jump into hyperspace. A gradual systemic rise just does not surprise your CNS enough to break fully with consensus reality.
If you are vaping with a bulb, pre warm it (to reduce condensation of the vapour on the glass). Don't inhale vapour as soon as the DMT starts to vapourise. Wait until the billowing fumes have filled the bulb with dense cloudy fumes. This means that the ratio of DMT to air will be greater in the mixture you inhale.
Using these rules, I usually achieve a good breakthrough with two hefty tokes and find myself functionally unable to hit a third.
When heating the DMT, don'y burn it, obviously, but you also want to be able to tolerate the vapour in your lungs as long as possible. The flame can be distanced away from the bulb to cool the vapur temperature provided it is still flowing. If you vape too hot, you can trigger coughing and discomfort which is a distraction from the really interesting stuff you will shortly be encountering.
Persevere and I reckon you won't be disappointed. I was surprised how many attempts it took to start going with it. I have tried many different synthetic batches over the last few years and the technique has been the crucial variable.
Peace - Happy tripping - Pipp
 
Yeah, I didn't cough but I made sure the bulb was choc full o smoke before I inhaled and made sure not to burn it when lighting it. I held that nasty smoke in for a good 20-30 seconds and took all hits (3 or 4, i don't remember) in a very short time, as quickly as possible between hits, the whole process lasted maybe 90 seconds total. It very well could have been an improper technique but I did do everything my friend told me to do, he even lit it for me on this second attempt (he is a fairly experienced user). I guess if I find it again I will make sure to have no acid or other psychs for a week or two before hand, and I'll try to make my first attempt count to avoid a potential tolerance build up. Also, I did not know that DMT could be taken via different ROA's than smoking. Are doses roughly the same or do they have to be changed according to method?
 
Strange that smoked DMT doesn't have much tolerance.. If you take oral DMT once then even two weeks later there's a noticeable tolerance. It's best to leave at least a month to two months or even longer between oral DMT trips.

And moclobemide and mushrooms - which cause a very strong DMT like trip - has the longest tolerance of all. Perhaps this is because it lasts a couple of hours longer than a standard oral DMT trip.

I've read people claiming that ayahuasqueros in the jungle take ayahusca every night for 40 nights because there's "no tolerance" but I think that's bollocks, or whatever effect they are getting from the ayahuasca isn't the DMT psychedelic effects.
 
Yeah, if your technique was right, then I'll bet having done acid two days ago was the culprit. True, acid/psilo tolerance can reset in a week, but your dose was in just two days.

The doses for oral and plugged need increased, since the onset is much more gradual one much compensate by taking more to saturate you receptors. You should understand that plugging may make for a weird mindset for a strong trip, and I'm not sure if it would irritate or not. Oral has greater complications: it must be combined by an MAO Inhibitor which requires dietary precautions, and regardless you're very likely to vomit and/or shit/diarrhea with oral DMT, which would be a huge trip-downer IMO. If you can handle these 2 ROAs, they can make for a strong, but longer trip.

I would try vaporizing again . If that keeps failing, then if your willing to go "down that road" then IV will give you your entire dose within seconds, ensuring a breakthrough if adequate.
 
As everyone has been saying: it's all about technique. You gotta hold it in for 10+ seconds for full effects and you gotta get it to just the right temp to work optimally.
 
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