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I tossed him the baggie and said to make a healthy line. "i want you to tell me what you think it is"
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You have a friend who will ingest isolated compounds without knowledge of their identity? ;)

ebola
 
enduin said:
Torture, did you notice any PNS stimulation, heart issues, vasocostriction, gurning? I know you were having too much good time for caring, but I ask you anyway...
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Slight HR elevation, no palpitations. The one word I can take away from the experience is BLISS

The other substance I obtained was HEX,TC1. Large tan crystals. On its own, 100mg, it is a very good mdma sub. I was naughty and mixed 100mg of each. The two combined leads to the most unbelievable euphoria ever, plenty visuals too, magnificent
 

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ebola? said:
Jamshyd:
1. Would you expect a future entactogen to exert less of a crash than MDAI? Here, we already have a pure serotonin releaser. . .I'm not sure which additional qualities would make such a compound more benign feeling.
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Exactly. I think MDAI is good enough proof that attempting to create love by squeezing serotonin out of the ends of nerves is, to say the least, flawed.

I personally never understood people's obsession with following this path. Before this explosion of silly betaketones and now AIs, I have a feeling the Shulgins are now facepalming about their hopes that a more refined analogue of MDMA can be found. It seems to me that the whole concept behind MDx drugs is flawed, period. But that is just my opinion.

2. Would you expect others' experiences to extrapolate to your seemingly idiosyncratically bad hangovers? For example, I experience a 1-day (massively unpleasant) hangover from MDMA (max dose 200 mg in an evening) and no comedown or hangover from MDAI (max dose 100 mg). I mean, maybe you'll get indicators for ordinal data comparing crashes between compounds. . .

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I realize that my subjective experience is a bit idiosyncratic compared to others'. But for me, it is really a cost-benefit analysis. MDMA, MDA, MDAI, 4-FA, and Methylone did not have anything valuable to teach me that I didn't know already (not that I know much). Of course, I do not regret the experiences, but I consider them pretty useless as a whole, and even suspect that they may have done more psychological harm than healing for me.

I have also noticed a tendency in compulsive empathogen users to be extremely unpleasant people when sober. I guess if you start depending on drugs to experience love and beauty, it would become difficult to experience it without drugs. I'd say such an addiction is the worst of the worse, and the most insidious. But that's just me, a nobody who almost sanctifies the experience of sensory-depravation in order to emerge to a world full of beauty and love after having been severed from it completely for a bit.

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GZero said:
Well it's a close analog of MDA so a little psychedelia is expected, it was discussed earlier in the thread in relation to the positioning of the oxygen bonds.
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There IS psychedelia with this one mate, and lots of it, good visuals
 
GZero said:
Told ya :)


Glad to see your reports matches mine. Lucky bastard with the 1g! NO VENDOR DISCUSSION - nuke

I want more of this, it's the future and it's a REAL drug in its own right, not a cheap initation.

I think the comedown you're goning to feel will be 1 day feeling a little "odd", after that I felt right as rain, in fact I've been in a noticably good mood ever since, other things seeom to have improved as well, this certainly didn't knock my stamina list MDMA would.


I am on a fucking mission to get more of it, in bulk if I can
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Do you agree that the extreme euphoria is like high grade opiates - fucking awesome. My comedown wasn't bad, just kinda faded away. Strong urge to redose. The HEX TC1 I got works REALLY well with it. Guy I got it from says that it will be on sale next week. This is the one, like I said before, there's nothing out there that comes close to this.
 
Jamshyd said:
I realize that my subjective experience is a bit idiosyncratic compared to others'. But for me, it is really a cost-benefit analysis. MDMA, MDA, MDAI, 4-FA, and Methylone did not have anything valuable to teach me that I didn't know already (not that I know much). Of course, I do not regret the experiences, but I consider them pretty useless as a whole, and even suspect that they may have done more psychological harm than healing for me.

I have also noticed a tendency in compulsive empathogen users to be extremely unpleasant people when sober. I guess if you start depending on drugs to experience love and beauty, it would become difficult to experience it without drugs. I'd say such an addiction is the worst of the worse, and the most insidious. But that's just me, a nobody who almost sanctifies the experience of sensory-depravation in order to emerge to a world full of beauty and love after having been severed from it completely for a bit.
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The new hype over untested compounds is a bit silly, but I think you may have it backward about empathogen users - in my case anyway, the inability to experience a wide range emotions sober comes first, and the use of empathogens can help alleviate that from time to time.

I've been on various SSRIs and NDRI since forever, but it's really only since I found empathogens that I've discovered that I'm able to actually like some people instead of just being annoyed at their presence. My emotional baseline might not be the norm, but for those with similar issues, the time-to-time use of low doses of empathogens in social settings is really appreciated.

It depends on the person I guess, but my feeling is that those unable to experience these positive feelings in day to day life are more likely to be attracted to empathogens than empathogens users are to start disliking everything in daily life.
 
A little off topic, but even Freud had this notion about cocaine in that it induced

"..exhilaration and lasting euphoria, which in no way differs from the normal euphoria of the healthy person...You perceive an increase of self-control and possess more vitality and capacity for work....In other words, you are simply normal, and it is soon hard to believe you are under the influence of any drug....Long intensive physical work is performed without any fatigue...This result is enjoyed without any of the unpleasant after-effects that follow exhilaration brought about by alcohol....Absolutely no craving for the further use of cocaine appears after the first, or even after repeated taking of the drug..."

Some people just need drugs to feel normal or what they believe is normal.
 
So... when did it become OK for Bluelight's advanced drug discussion fora to be used so blatantly as promotional tools for new research chemicals?
 
Had I taken a similarly powerful dose of MDMA, I'd now be experiencing the blues and I'd be out of breath after running up dome stairs.
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That's because it doesn't get metabolized to alphamethyldopamine (quite simply, it can't), which I'm convinced is responsible for the majority of MDMA hangovers


The new hype over untested compounds is a bit silly
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'Fraid it'll happen all the time when people get excited about a 'new' find. I'm not immune to it myself (se the desoxypipradrol thread in TR. More than once I wish I'd reined in my enthusiasm when writing)
 
We have plenty of mind dulling antidepressants....some of which actually do help people, but why in the US have the drug companies cock blocked the serotonin releasers and enhancers that are becoming popular in Europe?? They let the patents expire, perhaps on purpose. Now its too expensive and not profitable to initiate clinical trials, so it will essentially NEVER be used in the US without public funding, unless somebody makes an analog they can patent, probably at a ridiculous markup. Thats medicine in America I guess.
 
^yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Thats just how the US drug market works unfortunately.
 
And the analog will not be any more effective and perhaps have even worse and less studied side effects, but that is the one that will be used in medicine because new patents = profit....even if the old drugs did get approved for medicine, the newer one would be marketed to all the doctors, purely because of drug company promotion but without any evidence of superior efficacy....so much for the profit motive increasing quality and efficiency.

If we were smart, as a nation we would accept clinical trials from European countries that are up to our medical standards, not only to save money, but to increase the number of available drugs at drastically reduced cost.....if a drug has been used in medicine for over a decade in Europe or Japan, a meta-study of its documented effects should be more than enough to vouch for its safety and usefulness......but that would be too easy and the drug companies would have more competition.




Anyway, I am going to start calling this drug emo dust, because of the silly name.
 
IMO this thread is full of shills for RC vendors trying to hype these chemicals.

Just ignore these fake experience reports until trusted members get a hold of the goods...
 
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