European court weighs cannabis ban for foreigners

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A Dutch city has banned foreigners from its cannabis selling coffee shops. A European court will now decide whether this is legal.

The continuing struggle of Dutch border towns against drug tourism could soon take a new turn, as the European Court of Justice (ECJ) prepares to hand down a ruling regarding one of the most severe measures employed in this battle so far.

Last Thursday, the ECJ heard arguments in Josemans v. Maastricht. The case dates back to 2006, when authorities found two foreign nationals on the premises of Easy Going, a coffee shop of the kind that sells cannabis in addition to coffee. Maastricht is the largest city in the far south of the Netherlands; right on the Belgian border and only a 30 minute drive from Germany. The Easy Going coffee shop there is owned by Marc Josemans, who is also the chairman of a branch association unifying the city's coffee shop owners.

Free market for drugs?

Law enforcement officers found the two shortly after a municipal regulation had come into effect prohibiting the presence of foreigners in coffee shops. It remains the only time they acted on the new rule so far, because Maastricht is awaiting the outcome of this test case. In the Netherlands, the case has made its way up to the Council of State, the highest Dutch court in these matters. Before it gives a ruling, the council has requested the advice from the ECJ. It has asked the European court whether distinguishing between local and foreign cannabis customers isn't at odds with principles underlying the European Union's internal market.

In a weird legal twist, the case seems to have led to a clash between the EU's laws governing free trade on the continent and Dutch soft drug policy. For decades, the Netherlands has had a unique policy governing soft drugs, effectively decriminalising – though not legalising – the use of cannabis. The sale of soft drugs through coffee shops is strictly regulated: advertising is not allowed, nor is selling to underage customers for instance.

On the other hand, the European Union guarantees a free, unified market of goods and services amongst its members. Whether or not this should apply to the semi-legal parts of the Netherlands' cannabis industry, is the question now up for debate.

André Beckers, Joseman's legal counsel, has argued it should. He claims cannabis is an economic commodity like any other. Beckers has shown that Easy Going, one of Maastricht's 14 coffee shops, expects to sell ten million euros worth of cannabis this year, in addition to the 500,000 euros it stands to make from 'normal' activities, like selling coffee. Because of the illegal nature of some of its business, it is under no obligation to pay sales tax on the cannabis it sells, but Easy Going is required to pay income tax, employee benefits, corporate tax and value added tax on its legal revenues. The lawyer also cited a recent study which found coffee shops indirectly added 140 million euros and 1,370 jobs to the Dutch economy.

Sander Lely, a lawyer for the city of Maastricht, countered that trade in contraband could never be covered by regulations governing the common market. "That some of its revenue is generated through the sale of legal products is irrelevant," Lely said. He was supported in his argument by representatives of both the Dutch and Belgian state.

Hubert van Vliet, a representative of the European Commission, pointed out the possible consequences if the ECJ found coffee shops were not covered by EU laws . "Everything pertaining to coffee shops would then be exempt," he argued. "What will that mean for the border workers employed there? The free flow of capital would also be affected, which means only Dutch nationals would be allowed to own coffee shops."

The city of Maastricht's lawyer and the representative of the Dutch state argued that the exclusion of foreign nationals from coffee shops was not merely a matter of Dutch self interest, but also important for the maintenance of public order in other EU member states. "The Netherlands is subject to international pressure in this respect," said Corina Wissels, the representative for the Dutch state. Approximately 70 percent of the two million people who visit a Maastricht coffee shop every year are from foreign countries, mainly Germany, France and Belgium. The Belgian representative asked the court to consider the nuisance caused by French drug users travelling through Belgium, drug runners, and users returning home driving under the influence.

Customer card system

Van der Vliet, arguing for the European Commission referred to an earlier ruling by the ECJ concerning Polish prostitutes in the Netherlands. The court then found that a member state could not let its own residents go about their business unhindered while impeding other EU nationals from doing the same. "The European Commission does not oppose a test case in itself," he said. "But why haven't less far-reaching measures been tried first, such as a customer-card system, reducing the maximum amount available to single customers (from 5 to 3 grammes for instance) or requiring customers to consume purchased wares on the spot?"

The judges expressed surprise over the Dutch drug policy [see box] through their questions. They asked what the coffee shop's permit was for exactly, if the sale of cannabis was technically illegal in the Netherlands. The court also wondered who supplied the drugs on sale to the coffee shop. The state perhaps?

The ECJ declined to schedule a specific date for its ruling. It did, however, promise to process the case quickly. A definitive ruling by the Dutch Council of State is expected before the end of this year. The case will play an important part in the formation of new Dutch soft drug policy. Mayors of Dutch border municipalities have also said they would await a ruling by the Council of State before experimenting with customer cards for cannabis users.

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European court weighs cannabis ban for foreigners
Paul van der Steen
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5.3.10
 
I read this earlier today, I hope they rule in favor of the city. Otherwise legalizing is going to be even harder because the neigboring countries will REALLY be up our ass about it. EU-wide legalization will be best but that's definitely not going to happen anytime soon.

I like how the judges out surprised by our policy. Of course they are, it is stupid as hell!
 
^ Yeah, let's forbid the coffeeshops to foreigners, dogs and jews.
 
"The lawyer also cited a recent study which found coffee shops indirectly added 140 million euros and 1,370 jobs to the Dutch economy."

that number seems way low but regardless of that number you put that ban into effect and the coffeeshops wont be the only ones that feel that. their whole economy will take feel the effects. the airlines that bring in the foreigners, the hotels that we have to stay at, the resturants we have to eat at, pretty much every major sector of business will be affected by it. when its all said and done and you add up how much money your economy will lose, i bet the figure is closer to a billion dollars not a couple hundred million.

put the money aside and you have to worry about all the lost jobs that will arise because of this also. the article says the coffeeshops add about 1400 jobs to the dutch economy. well if the airlines and hotels and everything else starts losing money, the first thing they are ghonna do is start laying people off.

so what they figure they dont need an extra billion dollars and a couple thousand jobs?
 
140 million Euros? Sure, the Dutch government wants a piece of that pie. But if the tax revenue that would bring in would be outweighed by money lost due to trade disputes with other EU countries, they'd turn tail and shut down all the coffee shops in one day, and have some suave Dutch spokesperson assure the world's press that cannabis has always been illegal in Holland, end comment. I'd like to retitle this article: Dutch Pot Laxity Put to Test by Shrinking World

My first reaction to seeing this thread was that the Dutch banning foreigners from their "coffee shops" would in and of itself be the end of the industry, regardless of the status of the drug itself, since most of the revenue from these establishments comes from foreign drug tourists, I'd wager. (You can take a boat there from England, innit?) I've heard anecdotally that in fact a smaller
percentage of locals in Holland use marijuana than in many other Western countries without quasi-legal outlets for buying and using it.

Does anyone else see this as somehow tied to the referendum that's going on the ballot in California this Fall? Has the status of marijuana reached a critical turning point worldwide, due to a critical mass of information sharing and joint passing?
 
Hmmm, Lots of money and drugs involved. If this was organized crime there would not be much debate involved!
 
I am willing to bet a lot of these shops have ties to organized crime....

I mean shit, the police agencies all arround the world have connections to OC... Of course OC is dabbling in semilegal, illegal, and hell even legal drug distribution... Besides... The shops have to get the pot somewhere...


Back to the topic...

I have been dreaming of one day visiting a coffee shop and if the state wins this case I will be crushed
 
"The lawyer also cited a recent study which found coffee shops indirectly added 140 million euros and 1,370 jobs to the Dutch economy."

that number seems way low but regardless of that number you put that ban into effect and the coffeeshops wont be the only ones that feel that. their whole economy will take feel the effects. the airlines that bring in the foreigners, the hotels that we have to stay at, the resturants we have to eat at, pretty much every major sector of business will be affected by it. when its all said and done and you add up how much money your economy will lose, i bet the figure is closer to a billion dollars not a couple hundred million.

put the money aside and you have to worry about all the lost jobs that will arise because of this also. the article says the coffeeshops add about 1400 jobs to the dutch economy. well if the airlines and hotels and everything else starts losing money, the first thing they are ghonna do is start laying people off.

so what they figure they dont need an extra billion dollars and a couple thousand jobs?

A lot of business will be affected positively. It seems like everyone thinks the drug tourism in the Netherlands is like it is in Amsterdam, which is not the case. Lot's of city centers in especially the southern provinces could do without the high/drunk-while driving drug tourists. I'm not saying this is ideal, but I am saying that giving the coffeeshops in this case what they want might be harmful for future initiatives of legalization.. We are talking about people buying drugs here and taking them back to their country where it is strictly illegal, there are some diplomacy issues with that.

Oh and loulou reed, your comment is not worthy of a response, please read up on Godwin's law.
 
I understand the problems related to drug tourists, but why don't they just arrest them for breaking rules that are already in place? (I'm assuming they have intoxicated driving and public disturbance laws.) If people know they cannot fuck around and cause trouble, they won't, or they'll go to jail in a foreign country and learn the hard way. It seems stupid to do something that will have dramatic economic effects.
 
Lots of people I know want to go to Amsterdam. They don't even know that Amsterdam is in Holland. They don't know what currency they have or what language they speak or anything about their country other than their weed situation. I bet most of Holland's tourism is drug tourism because there are so many cooler places to go (no offense holland is bitching).
 
I'm saying that the costs (not just in currency people) probably outweigh the economic advantages.. We wouldn't be having this problem if those folks would just buy their shit in their own country. Maybe some tourists come just for the drugs, like most Brits in Amsterdam.. coincidentally, they seem to be universally hated. Seriously, don't think the average Dutch person will miss you if you come here just to get fucked up.
 
........ I bet most of Holland's tourism is drug tourism because there are so many cooler places to go (no offense holland is bitching).
Do you really mean that the Nederlands are not particularly cool in relation to other places, and that it is mainly the cannabis situation that draws most tourists? It certainly draws many tourists, and many of the type that behave in disrespectful ways. However, my own experiences of the Nederlands are that is is a country rich in culture (art, music, architecture and much more) and populated by sophisticated, informed, liberal, kind and polite people.

As a Scot, I find the Nederlands (and especially Amsterdam) to be one of the coolest places in the world - of course there are many other cool places, but Amsterdam is up there among them. IMO anyway.
 
Seriously, don't think the average Dutch person will miss you if you come here just to get fucked up.

In the same way, don't think the average French person will miss the Dutch people who are coming en masse in the South of France every summer just to get fucked up by the sun.
 
You don't really get fucked up by the sun do you? However I can totally imagine Spanish people hating on the tourists that come to their Costas to get drunk and act retarded. They find the economic advantages great enough to let it go on though. These are the choices they make. Obviously the choices of the people of Maastricht are different. Please stop acting like the only thing tourists come to Holland for are drugs and parties, it's arrogant, offensive and ignorant.
 
Very interesting debate, I have not much knowledge to put anything forward, but I wil be keeping an eye on the thread.
 
are the drug tourists really that obnoxious? of all the types of drug users out there i'd most prefer to be around people on cannabis. I can't imagine the cannabis tourists being any worse than tourists of any kind who happen to get drunk in bar and restaurant districts of major cities all over the world.
 
I don't think that getting cannabis will become substantially harder for the tourists after the ban. There will be people asking if you want to buy some weed on every corner. Just some additional black market.
 
Some things seem to be getting twisted here though:

1. It is not the netherlands responsibility to prevent crimes from happening, e.g. driving under the influence. that is already illegal in all places. Similarly, importing cannabis to other countries is illegal, even exporting it from the netherlands (imagine to a country where cannabis is legal) is illegal in the netherlands. No need to enforce that further. Policy choices to be made, sure, but it is not rational to even try to prevent international drug trade.

2. It is not true what was stated here previously that "southern cities" could as well do good without coffeshops. (1) what other cities apart from Maastricht are we talking about here? None. Only Maastricht due to its neat city center and shopping malls would be - possibly - able to give up the economic benefits of Coffeeshops. (2) the economy of Maastricht is built upon being a University City. close to 30% of the cities economic turnover is created directly or indirectly by students. Similarly, close to 50% of the Maastricht students are not Dutch. Most of these are German, Belgian and French. Consider prohibiting cannabis only for the foreigner. An outrage! Not gonna happen in Maastricht, as the cities international and open-minded image would suffer.

It is possible, however, and I think this holds true in respect to the principles explained further below, to issue cards only to residents. I don't think that this would be in conflict with EU law, as there are numerous rights in EU countries that are only granted by virtue of being a resident. This would preclude 'actual' foreigners from smoking, yet allow the 10 000+ foreign students and foreigners living in Maastricht to not be discriminated against. However, factually this would be difficult to realize, considering the administrative costs and privacy invasion this would entail. unfortunately i did not see the regulation of 2006, maybe this is what was planned in the first place. If so, my prediction is that it may well be legal. Otherwise.. a general prohibition for 'all' foreigners.. not going to happen because:


3. This whole issue is obsolete. the ECJ WILL rule in favor of the coffeeshops. Anti-discrimination is one of the fundamental principles in the EU as is mutual recognition, free movement of workers, people and services. Discrimination on grounds of nationality is specifically prohibited. There are exceptions to this, such as terrorism and public health, but the ECJ as always been extremely reluctant to touch upon this very base of the Internal market, the core of the EU. It did not rule in favor of prohibiting (only) foreigners to work as prostitutes and it will not prohibit the provision of services only to foreigners at such a large scale. There have to be exceptional and individual circumstances (as established in previous ECJ case-law) for any exceptions to be valid. This is neither exceptional nor individual and as the Coffeeshop policy itself is seen as a means of reducing the risks of drugs, an argument stating that this exact policy is something that foreigner will need to be protected from is not an argument, it is just contradictory and not proportional (proportionality being another one of the fundamental ECJ principles.) Similarly, as previously said, legislation to deal with related crimes such as driving under the influence is already in place. The ECJ will likely call for a decision such as "either everybody is allowed to smoke or nobody" and calling upon the Dutch government to generally adjust and improve its drug policy in the direction it wants in order to solve this issue and to provide for legal certainty.
 
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are the drug tourists really that obnoxious? of all the types of drug users out there i'd most prefer to be around people on cannabis. I can't imagine the cannabis tourists being any worse than tourists of any kind who happen to get drunk in bar and restaurant districts of major cities all over the world.

Maastricht does not seem to find the tourists so obnoxious as at one stage they wanted to move the coffee shops to the edge of town in order to reduce the "nuisance". The "nuisance" (overlast) has not been defined but I suspect that it's mostly due to people in cars, and young "longhairs" speaking French, acting loud, and not spending money in the local shops.

The desire to move the shops out of the city centre was fiercely opposed by Belgian towns just over the border, who claimed that the "burden/nuisance" would be shifted to them. Some of these towns are represented by powerful conservative Belgian politicians.

As the Dutch government is currently dominated by conservatives and out and out reactionaries the consensus on tolerating the trade and possession of small amounts of cannabis is slowly being undermined. Even though all the evidence is that drug use in the Netherlands has declined compared to drug use in surrounding countries;

Criminality. The coffeshops are allowed to sell small amounts of cannabis, but they are not allowed to carry significant stocks.

The production of cannabis is illegal and so is the wholesaling of cannabis. So suppliers of cannabis are criminals. This is of course an absurd situation. Producers are regularly discovered, fined and imprisoned. Even so cannabis growing is highly profitable so it continues. From what appears in the press I have the impression that it is mostly criminal gangs that recruit likely growers, who generally have no criminal record. The grower sells to the gang and the gang supplies the coffeeshop. Often the gangs will put up part / all of the capital for buying the equipment needed.
 
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