Mephedrone Addiction

[jancrow]

I never said it was exclusive to the people I described. But, forgive me for being a heartless cunt, I'll still save my passion for people who really know what addiction is, those who are dragged into serious trouble with serious drugs and who have to pay stupid prices to feed their addiction.

OK, I understand what you're saying there and I wouldn't equate meph with the bigger boys at all as it clearly doesn't have the same sort of addiction potential. I don't believe we'll see anyone with a 30yr meph habit, for example.

I suppose what I'm saying is that a lot of new posters here, some probably people without much general experience of drugs, are seeking help with their problems (which to them seem very serious) and your attitude to them is not a million miles from that of the unhelpful GPs etc who tell people with more serious drug problems to pull themselves together, man up and just quit that silly shit which they can't seem to get enough of.

For arguments sake, yes, I should have added largely between '(was)' and 'economic'. So strike me down.

Well, seeing as it completely alters the meaning of that statement, I agree, you should have.

 

[perfect haze]

I'm on the fence, I'd hate to see anyone with a genuine issue with any drug kicked while they are down - on the flipside I think paying too much lip service to the imagined addictiveness and danger of a drug simply reinforces any psychological crutch that has been made...

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I suppose what I'm saying is that a lot of new posters here, some probably people without much general experience of drugs, are seeking help with their problems (which to them seem very serious)

And I'm saying their problem is not mephedrone. Their problem is acting like a spoiled kid in a sweet shop when we are, for the first time ever, given access to cheap legal drugs that work.

With rights comes responsibility.

Mephedrone is the scapegoat for their own inadequacies. Mephedrone did not cause their weakness. It could have been almost any other drug, at that price, and the result would be the same. Mephedrone is being painted as some evil inescapable anti-hero and its all bollocks.

Your comparison of my attitude with that of a GP to a smack user is ludicrous. As you yourself pointed out, there's a vast difference in the addictions. Some people need help and care and drugs. And some people need less money, more sense. And to stop fucking up drug use for others.

 

[botfly]

mephedrone is very fiendish as it wears off quite quick and you feel a comedown instantly. i think the attraction to it is it's versatility because it mimics coke mdma etc. you can have a wee bit and it gives you a mood boost, confidence etc like a lil line of coke, then if you have a big dose it gives you a mdma like rush. you can keep re-dosing for while and get good effects unlike mdma and whatnot. the body rushes are amazing as well. it mixes rather too well with booze. i can see why people struggle to stay away from it. i'm struggling. not had any for about 2 months or so, trying to not buy it off the street.
it has done something to my brain i think, i get a few anxiety issues and when i sleep i get the odd zap like i'm about to fall asleep. mild though, but this is like over month after use. i did cane the fuck out of it though so serves me right. time, sleep and nutrition helps a lot.

 

[7zark7]

Even though he could have put it slightly better, I have to agree with SHM. Meph is not (very) addictive. Sorry if this contravenes the thread guidelines laid out in the first post - but it has to be said

 

[I NUK3D U]

For those who find meph's compulsion to redose a serious problem, I'd advise combining it with one or two other drugs in the same session, in small quantities.

I used to just have meph binges but due to the sudden drop off and feeling of emptiness it's so easy to keep dosing and dosing. I now often combine a few lines of meph with a small injestation of methylone or a couple of glasses of poppy pod tea. They both imo have an underlying stimulation that lasts for hours and makes the compulsion to redose the meph much much less.

It was such a revalation when i realised that a small injested dose of something a bit longer-lasting made drugs enjoyable again.

 

[I NUK3D U]

honestly..........i......cannot.......do.......that..........with meph it was all or nothing.
really,truthfully....all or nothing,be gone meph....just be gone.

What drugs had you experienced prior to Meph?

My take on it, and this may not apply to you, is that for many this substance is their first serious drug due to is media attention and availability.

People are coming out of the woodwork with little experience and are fiending on it, just like many of us did in the early days on other substances before we grew control.

So I suppose my question is, is Meph as drastically fiendish as we think, or is the overwhelming majority of opinion from people who would be seriously abusing any similar substance put in front of them.

For me it is fiendish, but no more so than any other short acting up/down stim. Some people getting through, quite frankly, insane amounts of this stuff is a bit of a boggle to me...

 

[I NUK3D U]

hmm, true. I suppose if you can learn to control meph, you can approach other drugs in the future with the appropriate amount of caution, and confidence in your ability to 'flush' when the time is right.

Good luck.

 

[Kellerman]

Has anyone else had really dry hands from meph? My knuckles are red raw, and aren't getting better (maybe getting worse), after a couple of months since quitting!

Bit concerned

 

[Hunstel]

What drugs had you experienced prior to Meph?

My take on it, and this may not apply to you, is that for many this substance is their first serious drug due to is media attention and availability.

People are coming out of the woodwork with little experience and are fiending on it, just like many of us did in the early days on other substances before we grew control.

So I suppose my question is, is Meph as drastically fiendish as we think, or is the overwhelming majority of opinion from people who would be seriously abusing any similar substance put in front of them.

For me it is fiendish, but no more so than any other short acting up/down stim. Some people getting through, quite frankly, insane amounts of this stuff is a bit of a boggle to me...

I have had many other drugs prior to meph. Cocaine and MDMA are the old drugs which I used to take on a weekend, I had control over this though (meaning i could go out have a good time and feel no after effects except a comedown the day after). I would stay up for 1 day 2 days max.

But the problem is with meph I end up staying up for multipul days on average about 4 which is really starting to take it's toll on me. I am constantly depressed and can't concentrate on anything.

 

[FlippingTop]

Mephedrone

What should a councillor advise addicts that see them? seeing as they have, and require no previous drug knowledge. I am going to be bringing in some info for people to read, but havnot not beenaddicted what is a realistic way to get off it?

Obviously they will see a large amount of cases and this is just a broad bit of info for them. This is what I have done so far, it is tomorrow

(2-Methylamino-1-p-tolylpropan-1-one)





COMMON NAMES
Mephedrone, 4-MMC, Meow, M-Cat, Mephedrone, 4-MMC, Meow, M-Cat, Bubbles
There were some legal pills that you could just go and by as an 11 year old (these ones I amquoting are neo doves, but there are just too many…
Just as long as you fed them to your plant, that had all of this crap in them. The Manufactures, as I may have said before do not legally even have to say what is in it. This is a MOD (admin person ) on that hard reduction site I use who seems to have managed to get these banned too…

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthre...ht.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=5564335#post5564335

DESCRIPTION
4-Methylmethcathinone is a synthetic stimulant with empathogenic effects that is chemically similar to methcathinone. Between 2007 and 2009, it became available for purchase online, was used increasingly in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand, associated with several deaths, and then controlled in some countries as a result. Because of the similarity in names, it is sometimes confused with 'Methedrone' (4-methoxymethcathinone) or 'Methylone' (bk-MDMA).

History #
Little has been published about the history of 4-methylmethcathinone prior to its introduction into the world online markets in 2007

Addiction Potential #
4-Methylmethcathinone is not likely to cause much physical dependence or withdrawal symptoms, but many users report difficulty controlling their own use within a short period of time. It is unknown whether use might lead to long-term psychological addiction and related problems, but it is likely that 4-methylmethcathinone could be one of a number of stimulants that are part of a pattern of stimulant overuse. I disagree with this as the majority of non drug users that started trying this dosed frequently and heavily due to it’s legal, and therefore healthy status. Which will lead do physical dependence that a short benzodiazepam course/ or being offered to taper down would sort, but sadly the NHS does not have the funds. A blanket ban has just forced addicts onto street dealers for their stuff, who will no doubt get a large majority into cocaine.

Oh just read this next page:

Addiction and Compulsive Use
Initial reports suggested that 4-methylmethcathinone was a "non-addictive" alternative to methamphetamine, cocaine, and other stimulants, but there is increasing evidence that it causes compulsive use patterns that are similar to or stronger than those of other recreational euphoric stimulants. It is unlikely to be physically addictive, meaning that withdrawal symptoms are minimal and likely not life threatening, but psychological addiction in some users seems likely to be a problem with this substance.

Long-Term Health Problems
There have been reports of vasoconstriction with repeated dosing, including moderate to severe symptoms of tingling and numbness in the extremities, headache, light-headedness and worrisome skin discoloration. I have read this, experienced this before, and seen it all the time…

4-Methylmethcathinone DurationOral
Total Duration2 - 5 hrs
Onset15 - 45 mins
Coming Up15 - 30 mins
Plateau15 - 30 mins
Coming Down30 - 90 mins
After Effects
2 - 4 hrs (this is more like 20+ hours of raised heart rate and blood pressure)
Hangover / Day After- - - (unknown)

 

[Public//Enemy]

harm reduction not hard reduction

possibility of permanent vasoconstriction damage is possible as far as im aware and not so much an accute toxicity problem?

 

[FlippingTop]

I was kinda of wondering what sort of health advice,although she isnt technicallyable to do that, she should give to others that come with an addiction as she only deals with the emotional side of things.

And I do know that the GP should be giving this advice but they know nothing, nor seem to care for druggies...

 

[perfect haze]

Apart from riding out the zaps I dont know what withdrawal issues there are to distinguish a meph 'addict's path from a chocoholic's path should they give up their weapon of choice.....


copy the same bollocks they spout over shit like that?

 

[koneko]

FlippingTop since your thread was about addiction, I'm moving it here.

 

[FlippingTop]

ok thanks. Is green tea extract and / or a vaso dilator an idea?

I really don't know what it comes to Mephedrone

Do you get physical , or is it just phsycoligical WD that one experiences? (ignoring those awesome cold extremities)

 

[Shambles]

Pretty sure vasodilators are a bad idea to take with meph. Especially potent ones. Maybe an aspirin would help - helped with the vasoconstriction from naphyrone when I tried it recently. Not sure how safe that actually is though, to be honest. There's a thread in ADD on the dangers of mixing dilators with constrictors.

 

[Miss Peks]

Has anyone else had really dry hands from meph? My knuckles are red raw, and aren't getting better (maybe getting worse), after a couple of months since quitting!

Bit concerned

Are they itchy at all?

My skin became dry after using it, but my fiance has the same problem as you and although the problem didn't start from meph it has gotten 10 times worse then it was, and as a result they're at a state again where they're just really sore and horrible.

I suggest going to a skin specialist as there may be some underlying problem and your hands, feet and scalp are usually the parts of your body that will develop dry skin / problems due to allergies or rejections / other things.

 

[7zark7]

Are they itchy at all?

My skin became dry after using it, but my fiance has the same problem as you and although the problem didn't start from meph it has gotten 10 times worse then it was, and as a result they're at a state again where they're just really sore and horrible.

Not to downplay the potential seriousness of this, but dry skin, especially after using mephedrone, is most likely going to be due to dehydration. I would suggest that increasing your fluid intake, before, during and after a meph session, along with using a moisturiser on susceptible areas, would minimise outbreaks of dry skin.

 

[SkinnyMochaJoe]

I read an article, possibly on science daily but I'm not sure, recently about a possible reason for people becoming addicted to coke. It stated that in the adult brain the process whereby new pathways in the brain are created (neurogenesis) blunts the dopamine response of coke. Less of a dopamine 'hit' means you're brain won't associate the substance as strongly with reward. The reverse is also true, less neurogenesis - more pronounced dopamine hit - more association with reward - more addiction. Now even though I don't know certainly, I'm fairly sure that drone is quite a strong agonist of dopamine as well and so all this will apply to it too. So maybe oneday (soon?) you'll be able to go to your GP and ask if they can check the level of neurogenesis in your brain and let you know how high your personal risk of addiction is.