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Bath Salts?

Sentience

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Is there a place where I can find out what exactly are in these products? It seems well within the cause of harm reduction to help people find out what is in these things.

Some of the names I have been seeing...


Charge
White Lady
Freebase (Love, Sex, Speed, regular, twist)
Ivory Wave....This one might be MDPV?
C-Original



These are not intended for human consumption, though I suspect they contain some 'dual use' chemicals....of course they are not obligated to divulge that if its not for consumption, but if there was a resource to finding out whats in these I think it would be in the interest of harm reduction.....Its not speculation if there is an actual resource for this that I dont know about yet.
 
Charge is flephedrone (4-fmc i think not 3-fmc but dont quote me on that)
And Ivory wave was MDPV mixed with pentylone iirc
 
Charge is flephedrone (4-fmc i think not 3-fmc but dont quote me on that)
And Ivory wave was MDPV mixed with pentylone iirc

Thanks!


Yes. Simply contact a laboratory able and willing to analyze an anonymous sample of compound X with a GC/MS, or a similar piece of equipment.
Easy as pie =D



Do we have any home chemists running their own harm reduction labs here on BL?
 
To get them professionally analyzed is v expensive as far as i know

i'd never buy branded 'legal highs' since you can never be sure on the ratio/when they change recipe ect

much better off with the pure powders which should be as easy to find imo :)
 
I live in the US. We have different considerations. Its harder to get certain things here than it is in the UK.
 
I am curious about the one that is being sold as an MDMA replacement. I wonder which RC they are most likely referring to.
 
All just plain ol' bubble bath... maybe. As a rule, branded stuff is either cut or extremely hard to find out what's in it for sure. I would avoid and go with pure chemicals if possible - if you can find brands chances are you can find pure too. Legal high products in the UK (branded pills and powders) may be of some use but it's hardly an exact science other than the few that have been tested like the ones Link mentioned up there.
 
Thank you for the resources.

I worry about importing straight RCs into the US. They might get the wrong idea and think that I was intending to ingest these rather than use them in my bath or to see how they change the behavior of spiders.
 
Some of the ingredients found in bath salts might be illegal. Knowing whats in them can help people make educated choices and avoid the harm of being arrested. Also, it may help them research side effects and dosage and interactions....the research is limited, but some information is better than none.
 
I very much doubt that any of those euphemisms would actually provide any legal protection but that's for you to decide.Personally I would rather pay less money for purer product and (hopefully) actually have some idea of what I'm taking too. You just never know with branded stuff - secretive as hell and change the recipe more often than their underpants.
 
You do make a good argument there. My health is one of the most important things I have.....between that and my freedom, few things are more valuable. However, the situation with customs is a little different in Europe than it is in the US.

Wouldnt the fact that even the consumers dont know what they are purchasing offer some protection if they could prove that no knowledge of the product was provided?


Most likely I am not going to end up using any of these products, due to the legal concerns as well as the health concerns....having things shipped to my home address just seems risky even if its arguably legal. I bet they keep records of people who receive these items even if they cant prosecute you at the time. I worry about that.


I am still curious about what is in these though. The 'White Lady'' claims to be an MDMA replacement at a dose of about 50mg....what the hell could that be? Whatever RC is in there it must be at least active at 50mg or perhaps much less if its mixed with baking soda and other stuff.
 
Experienced "white lady" and "c"

Watch out for white lady...bad stuff,
This stuff was the shit when it first came out The first rush you got was almost identical to MDMA, it was just it ended a lot quicker and the downfall was like emotional in a sense. i never felt the "fein" feeling before until i did it and thats when i threw up the red flag. Most importantly i read a lot about this stuff i found out they change up ingredients a lot, the only bad part was it was too late. Me and a friend had gotten a bag and realized it changed completely,(before i could do a whole bag and be fine) but we snorted it anyway! i did practically the whole bag because it was not the same and felt 20X weaker. Well lets just say i was up for literally 20 more hours(extended half life?) i couldn't go to sleep, close my eyes, i was over heating. My buddy said it might be an overdose and i should see a doctor, BUT. who the fuck wants to call there dad and explain this. So i drank alot of water stood in my garage, its cold here believe me. and puked then force fed myself. wich sucks but helped recovery. so about 7pm the next day is when i think i fell asleep. and today i woke up today feeling way better. i looked it up (researched for 6 hours last night lol)and thats when i found this fourm. also that this new white lady was basically a substitute for METH, not MDMA any more. Anyone else try white lady or share a similar experience???
 
I'm only surprised that there's not been more exposure on what they are.

The Ivory Wave I tried was pretty damn terrible, and I don't know how it'd be as fucking bath salt, either.
 
Note: The below argument only applies to clearly and accurately labled branded products, not to branded products like some of the above mentioned where you dont know what is in them....if you dont know what is in them, its best to steer clear and go with the pure substances....however, consider the following.

There are two area's of harm reduction.....the harm that is caused by the drug, and the harm that is caused by police if you are found with the drug. Generally, the later causes even more harm than the former, though the former also causes significant harm.

There is a problem with branded products when the ingredients are not labled, but sometimes they are in fact labeled.

Buying a pure substance in a suspicious looking bag of white crystal does NOT actually mean that you know what you are getting. There are plenty of companies, based on reviews I have read, that send mislabeled substances in suspicious looking baggies.

There are 2 additional drawbacks to buying the pure substances.....1)It just LOOKS like street drugs. The fact that it looks like drugs, to an untrained eye who has not tested it yet, means there is a higher chance of it getting field tested. While it would not protect you necessarily if caught, there is a lower chance of being investigated if at a casual glance it looks innocent enough.

The other concern is that with pure substances, you can end up with something like MDPV or Naphyrone.....if you think you are getting Mephedrone, Methylone or Flephedrone but you were actually sent mislabeled MDPV you could die. The pure substance would have radically different dosage and maybe kill you. The reports I see are really really scary....people ordering an RC and getting a completely different RC in a baggie. At least a mixed product was tested and designed for the end user.....maybe not by a genius or chemist, but by somebody who found a mixture they liked or thought people would like, using an eyeballed dosage that is less likely to overdose you if you do cocaine sized lines.

For those two reasons, I think that branded products that list all the ingredients on their website but not on the innocent looking product have some things going for it.....but its a bigger concern if you live in the US compared to the UK, since the US has the analog act and more domestic spying, so you have more reason to make your package look innocent compared to the UK. Getting a bag of white crystal in a bag looks like somebody sent you a bag of methamphetamine, which leads to a field test, which might show up as a false positive....later you might be found innocent, but its a scary situation to be in. It can bring the police to your house, and its potentially downhill from there. A bag of bath salt might be something the DEA is aware of, but its more likely to get ignored, especially when its neatly sealed in a professional looking product, compared to just a mini-ziplock of white powder.


Bottom line is, know your sources, test your samples, and be aware of real unbiased customer reviews.

Harm reduction requires sites like this, but it also requires sites that allow source talking and sites that allow methods of passing drug tests, since for many people the harm of prison is worse than the harm of some recreational drug use.


On average though, I think its better to be dealing with pure substances, unless they are ridiculously potent like MDPV, though I suppose its cost effective pure.

If you dont know what is in a product, then obviously its a really bad idea to take it.....there are many many branded products that do not list the ingredients truthfully or completely....My above argument does not apply to them, only to clearly and honestly labeled branded products.
 
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There are two area's of harm reduction.....the harm that is caused by the drug, and the harm that is caused by police if you are found with the drug. Generally, the later causes even more harm than the former, though the former also causes significant harm.

This is the truth. The police have screwed over my life passed the point where drugs ever would have. I wish more people on this forum realized the potential harm caused by law enforcement compared to substance abuse. As to the bath salts, all the ones I've seen are too sketchy content wise for me to want to try. Still, I wish more RC's came in legit looking packaging. I once bought mephedrone that came in a mini zip lock bag, completely unmarked. I've also bought a quarter pound of kratom that came in normal zip lock bags, labeled with a sharpie. If cops caught me with these, I'd have a hell of a time convincing them that I was interested in incense and plant food. While some people hate it, I'm a fan of the benzo fury packaging because you know what it is, yet it doesn't look like illegal drugs.
 
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