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i want opinions

I think you know what to do,especially if you say youre trying to get clean. You still have time to call it off!
 
georgie i read ur threads n i would suggest that you order some drug tests online they are alot cheaper n whenever ur dad says somethin just go to your room n come back wit a drug test in the store its like 30 or 40 bucks online u can get it 4 like 10 bucks u should stock pile them it feels really good to pass a test when someone is doubting u
 
totach said:
georgie i read ur threads n i would suggest that you order some drug tests online they are alot cheaper n whenever ur dad says somethin just go to your room n come back wit a drug test in the store its like 30 or 40 bucks online u can get it 4 like 10 bucks u should stock pile them it feels really good to pass a test when someone is doubting u
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Good idea bro, I'll check it later when i get home from work. I hope it does put some trust back at least.
 
im sure it will do u smoke pot?

4me whenever i am clean its always helpful the fact that i smoke pot cuz if i passed evreything my dad would tel me i cheated so as long as i fail pot he knows theres no way i can cheat
 
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Nah I havnt smoked weed for at least a year. I never really liked it as much as my friends did. It made my anxiety problems a lot worse when i was high. Which is why opiates were the perfect drug for my anxiety/depression.
 
Well the first day before subs you have to be 24 hours off opiates so i didnt sleep that night. got to the dr's office in the morning and took it and within an hour or two was feelin a lot better. But yeah after that ive never had a problem with subs and sleep. They actually make me tired.
 
damn it doesnt do it 4 me im so scared ima get hooked on xanax cuz i have to take it at night 2 sleep the subs dont do it 4 me like they used 2 my guy still hasnt come n i didnt call him n its bin 2 hours so theres a chance hes not coming : )
 
totach said:
damn it doesnt do it 4 me im so scared ima get hooked on xanax cuz i have to take it at night 2 sleep the subs dont do it 4 me like they used 2 my guy still hasnt come n i didnt call him n its bin 2 hours so theres a chance hes not coming : )
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Benzo withdrawal is serious business, a taper schedule is what you need to do. I learned that the hard way this week. :(

Try to ask a doctor about ambien or something similar. Or if you like pot, taper from benzos and smoke pot before bed. Definitely sleep is important, and it is better to find a temporary option then not sleep at all, in my opinion. Watch out for addiction though, which is why I suggest talking to a doctor about a different sleeping pill.
 
If you like cannabis then id suggest smoking alot it before you go to bed. I find it to be the be the best thing ive ever tried for sleep and it's one of the few things that work for me. Some good hash tends to be much more relaxing for me atleast then weed is so if you can get hash (theres fuck all where i live sadly enough :( ) then i would go with that. Also since it's not addictive for most people (some people have apparently had trouble giving it up but after 10 years of straight use i had no problem with it) you don't really have to worry about that at all. Certainly smoking some before you go to bed isint going to cause problems.

After hearing the stories from people who use ambien id say give zopiclone a try if your going with a sleeping pill. I havent seen much or any addiction with it and although it leaves a awful yucky taste in your mouth that makes everything taste like metal for half the next day it's a pretty good sleeping pill. The other downside besides the taste is that after 3 or 4 days it stops working for alot of people including myself. But if you lay off for a few days it should work fine.
 
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i wish ambien would work 4 me but it doesnt i just got some soma so ima start using that it doesnt work as well as xanax but ill get atleast 3 hours sleep better then nuthing

im a pothead but it doesnt help me sleep i think im 2 used 2 it sheyyyttttttt ive bin smoking since the age of 12

i actually hav a good connect 4 hash u think that will help me sleep better?
 
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Yes. I have been a pothead for about 6 years, and it is the ONLY way for me to get to sleep. I mean I smoke daily all day (at least a gram or two of MY stash), and if I smoke a VERY fat bowl it will relax me and allow me to get to bed. Maybe try to not smoke for a day until night time, then smoke tough.

Agreed on the hash as well, if you have a decent connect pick some up and try. If I am having trouble sleeping I usually will load a fat bowl, with a chunk of hash on it. Sometimes I won't get to sleep for an hour, or until I start to come down a little.

But it definitely has been a life saver for me after literally HAVING to use benzo's or other sleeping pills for years. I was honestly scared at a point and would have panic attacks. I feel so much safer using a plant to help me get to sleep. Sure it isn't natural falling asleep, but maybe one day I can take the next step to that :)
 
thanks for telling me that i never thought of it i allready called my guy 2 bring me some hash : ) hopefully it will work i really wanna stop taking pills cuz i dont crave them at all i really just wanna sleep
 
Id say go with the hash for sure. Im envious of your good hash connection as i can't get any at all. Hell it's a problem getting weed around here for fuck sakes :! . Which is just fucked cause i can get coke/crack easy if i wanted it but fuck that stuff for now.

Ive been smoking cannabis on and off since i was 12 and im 28 now and it still helps me sleep no problem. But ive never noticed any significant tolerance with it no matter if ive smoked it for a year straight with no breaks.

I feel so much safer using a plant to help me get to sleep. Sure it isn't natural falling asleep, but maybe one day I can take the next step to that.
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I find sleep on cannabis to be the same as natural sleep. It certainly does not seem to interupt the sleep cycle like alot or well most sleeping pills do. No hangover either like with many anti-depressants used for sleep or the atypical anti-psychotic seroquel. The latter doesent help me at all but helps alot of people. Benzodiazepines especially the long acting ones such as diazepam, flurazepam or nitrazepam also leave people with a hangover feeling. Though i don't mind a benzo hangover at all really and it's certainly not as annoying as the next day extreme dry mouth, sluggishness and the rest caused by anti-d's like amitriptyline.

thanks for telling me that i never thought of it i allready called my guy 2 bring me some hash : ) hopefully it will work i really wanna stop taking pills cuz i dont crave them at all i really just wanna sleep
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If youve been on benzodiazepines long enough to develop any kind of a physical dependence to them you should really only quit under a doctors supervision. You don't have to be psychologically addicted to benzos in order to be dependant on them. I have no mental cravings with the clonazepam im on but if i went off the 4-6mg's a day i have taken for about 4 or 5 years now i would certainly be in trouble.

Good luck with the hash. It will also help opiate withdrawals abit and helps alot in my case. I ordinarly have to force myself to eat the smallest amounts of food even soup for atleast a week following opiate withdrawals but when i have weed ive sat down and eaten a whole meal on day 2 for fuck sakes. Even if i chuck it up later on that day atleast it's something. Also it helps ease alot of the mental aspects of withdrawal mainly the awful depression i get with it.
 
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I find sleep on cannabis to be the same as natural sleep. It certainly does not seem to interupt the sleep cycle like alot or well most sleeping pills do. No hangover either like with many anti-depressants used for sleep or the atypical anti-psychotic seroquel. The latter doesent help me at all but helps alot of people. Benzodiazepines especially the long acting ones such as diazepam, flurazepam or nitrazepam also leave people with a hangover feeling. Though i don't mind a benzo hangover at all really and it's certainly not as annoying as the next day extreme dry mouth, sluggishness and the rest caused by anti-d's like amitriptyline.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think it disrupts my sleep cycle. I think it is great sleep and I use it happily every day, madly love pot, am prescribed it medically, and have no plans of quitting in the future :P. However, sometimes I just get a feeling of envy for people that go home at night and don't have to have a toke, or don't have to drink, or don't have to take a benzo and can lay in bed and try to sleep. I know this is a drug forum, so probably 98% take a drug for sleeping, but it just is always in the back of my mind...:/

EDIT: It's tough for me sometimes though to feel that envy. These people may go home and read a book, or have to do something else every single night for sleep. It is that society vs. my mind, and when is it really bad? I feel fine smoking pot before bed most of the time, and think of it as about the same as having a cup of coffee to wake up every day. Sure, it probably isn't completely healthy, but it is a plant, and if you love it why stop?
 
Well i don't go by the whole it's a plant thing so it's healthier argument at all. Opium, codeine, hydrocodone, morphine, heroin, oxycodone, hydromorphone and oxymorphone are all present in the opium poppy or derived from the various alkaloids in it and we all know what can happen if you take those for a extended period of time. The alkaloids in datura atropine and scopolamine all come from a plant and where years ago directly taken from datura or belladona and we all know what can happen if you take too much datura or belladone or either of those drugs 8o . So i don't buy that argument at all. But yeah sleep on cannabis feels natural to me though i know many people who get paranoic reactions from cannabis who certainly can't sleep on it.

I envy people who can go off to sleep without having to take anything too. I always had this problem and even when i was younger and working shitty jobs for 12 hours a day i often couldnt sleep at all.
 
totach said:
i just called my guy to cop n he is on his way to me now i dont know y i called him i dont really wanna do it 2day is my 3rd day clean what do you think i should do? do u think anyone is capable of just flushing it down the toilet or holding onto it 4 a rainy day i kinda no theres no way but there might me that 1 percent chance i can do it im so confused i wish i didnt call him i duno wut to do
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Did dude ever show up?

Man, I was never able to throw anything away/flush it or even hold onto it to test myself. Ha! I even thought it would be clever 'hiding' it from myself. Of course that never worked. How can one hide something from themselves. The things we do, I suppose
 
lol ya i know i was just lying to my self : ) but na man he never showed up im so happy for that but 2day is the hardest day to stay sober cuz theres nuthing to do 2morow n the soma n xanax dont really work for more then a couple hours of sleep so im gonna b so bored n that is my worst enemy got any suggestions?

just cuz the dude didnt showup it doesnt mean i cant go to him im so confused i feel like im suffering now for nuthing cuz in the back of my head i feel like i know im gonna cave in sooner or later this is so diffficult : (
 
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^when I first got out of rehab, i had a few weeks of pure, hellish boredom. I called a dude (my sponsor in NA) and asked him how to deal with it. He put it in perspective by telling me that being bored is just another way of saying that you're at peace. We're so used to chaos that being at peace is fuckin' uncomfortable. For me, I wasn't used to being in my own skin and having no distreactions from myself SUCKED. Dig this though, I'm kinda glad I got through it because I can just be still now and be okay with it.

I think boredom is another important thing in getting clean. IMO it kinda teaches us about ourselves and gives us an opportunity to listen/observe instead of always running around looking for the next distraction
 
wow that was so wel put man thanks i really feel like now when im bored im gonna keep thinking of what you just said god i love bluelight best ppl in the world overdone n the rest of u hav no idea how much uve helped me stay sober for 4 days so far : )

i guess im just a cry baby its just that ive bin doin dope for 5 years allready that i dont really remember what its like to feel normal so i always think that if i never did drugs i wouldnt be bored at the moment or just with anything whenever im down i dont know if its normal or if its the drugs when do you get to the poiunt where you can tel the diffrence if its normal 2 be bored or if youre still in paws? i know i got alot of paws ahead of me but still ive bin clean 4 3 months not long ago n i still felt like shit so mayb im really fucked for life i really wish i knew do you feel like that?
 
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