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2-Me-DMT, -AcO-DALT, 4-AcO-MIPT, etc advice

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My first post here. Can anyone who's had experience with some of these make any recommendations? I have looked them all up but nothing stands out as the one to go for. I'm looking for something a bit different to shrooms but strongly psychedelic. The list is limited by what's legal where I live.

Here are some impressions I got from reading TRs. I'm assuming 4-AcO's are always very similar in effect to their 4-HO counterparts.

2-Me-DMT
AcO-DALT - not psychedelic? doesn't do much?
4-AcO-MIPT
4-HO-MIPT
4-MeO-MIPT
5-MeO-TMT
4-HO-MET
4-HO-DPT
4-ACO-DPT - inactive?
4-ACO-DET - very similar to shrooms?
4-HO-DET
5-MeO-MET

Thanks!
 
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Welcome to PD and BL :)

One of the site rules is that "What should I take?" threads are not allowed - what you choose to ingest is entirely your decision. We can certainly help with describing the effects of them and so forth in order for you to make a more educated decision though. The way you worded your post is kinda on the ""What should I take?" side so on dodgy ground... it could probably be slightly reworded (or a follow up post clarifying that you are not asking for recommendations) to keep it within guidelines. Possibly.

I'll leave it open for now to see how it goes.

I've actually never sampled any on that list (others certainly will have) but if you click on the PD Index linky in my sig you will find extensive information, experience and trip reports on more psyches than you could shake a swirlstick at :)
 
4-aco-mipt & 4-ho-met are both really nice. All the 4- trypts I've tried are pretty similar to each other so I don't think you can go far wrong, there's just little changes which might make you pick favourites (like 4-aco-mipt being quite good for synthesia IMO). I'd pick all of the ones I've tried over mushrooms as well. :)
 
I have looked them all up but nothing stands out as the one to go for
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IMO none of these drugs should "stand out" and scream "TAKE ME!!". Each individual tryptamine has personalities, quirks, and idiosyncrasies all it's own. And each has something unique and special to offer, you just have to be receptive to it :)

The Psychedelic Drugs Index may be a good starting point, however.

I'm assuming 4-AcO's are always very similar in effect to their 4-HO conterparts
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Yes I believe that's the theory(that the 4 position is hydrolyzed in vivo).
 
I'll re-phrase my question as, how do those RCs compare with mushrooms? The effects I find difficult with psilocybin are general paranoia, sensation of dying, dissolution of ego, solipsism. Which of the chems listed have more or less of those characteristics?

Thanks for the suggested links, there's some good comparative stuff there.
 
sensation of dying is one of the traits that some people look for in a psych ;)

what are your average doses of mushrooms? lots of people may take waaay more than they really want to. 1g of cubensis is great for a mild emotional and visual ride, while 3.5g can send you right out of your body for a couple hours.
 
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what are your average doses of mushrooms?
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They've mostly been 7g or more, up to 14g. I know those are big doses but I find for me it's just a characteristic of psilocin that it gives a feeling of anxiety. I was wondering if any of the related RCs are noticeably more "easy going".
 
In my limited experience with them, 4-AcO and 4-ho-DPT resemble psilocin far less than the other psilolcin-alikes (there's a 4-ho-DPT thread here if you search). They're much closer in their effects to DPT. At higher doses I imagine this includes DPT's ego-dissolving tendencies, but one moderate dose experience I had may have been the most graceful any psychedelic has provided me).

That's an odd list you've compiled. If either 4-sub DPT is accessible to you I highly recommend grabbing some for their rarity alone, even if they might not be exactly what you're looking for.
 
I was wondering if any of the related RCs are noticeably more "easy going"
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You'd be hard pressed to find a drug in the tryptamine family which is more "gentle" than pilocybe mushrooms. IME every tryptamine I have tried has caused physical discomfort...obviously to varying degrees but still very noticable.

Maybe you should look into phenethylamines? 2c-* compounds are much more gentle I find. Unfortunately, they offer little other than "pretty colors and funny pictures", and nothing is really gained from the experience.

Again, this is all my personal experience. You may be totally different and in fact I've sampled very few of the drugs on the list above.
 
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Maybe you should look into phenethylamines? 2c-* compounds are much more gentle I find. Unfortunately, they offer little other than "pretty colors and funny pictures", and nothing is really gained from the experience.
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Seriously? You must not have been taking the same 2C's I have (-T-7 and -E in particular - I defy anyone to say that those two offer little more than pretty colours).
 
I agree with the sentiment that if the OP is looking for something a little gentler than mushrooms, 2C's are probably the way to go. They tend to leave the ego much more intact and produce less anxiety. Though I wouldn't go so far as to say they are just eyecandy, or that there's nothing to learn from them. T-7 and T-2 are my favorites and I've definitely learned things about myself and grown from working with them. Also TMA-2, though I've only had the opportunity to try it once, seems to have a lot of potential.

Oh, I also recently had an experience with 2c-b and 2c-d that was much more powerful than anything I've experienced from them alone. I was intuitively using mudras to direct and shape energy and felt I learned a great deal about some of the karma and attachments I carry around with me.
 
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Of course any psychedelic phenethylamine can produce profound and life changing effects(or so is my belief), but ergoloids and tryptamines are what true "psychedelia" are really about, IMHO. Their history of human use and the ways in which they've blessed our species are simply amazing to me.
Mescaline and it's related analogs are of course an obvious exception, as they were indeed important to the growth of may cultures, as well.

This is all my personal opinion, and I mean no offense to those who favor the phenethylamine family of psychedelic drugs.

Peace and Love to all :)
 
I've tried alot of 4-Sub-Tryptamines(4-ho-mipt/met/det/dipt) and they're all pretty lame IMO compared to psilocin. The best ones IME are the more simple ones like MIPT,MET,DALT... Sure they're alot less potent but the experience at the high enough dose blows away anyother tryptamine RC and you can always mix em w/some harmala to stretch em out. Maybe this is just personal pref but From all the mushroom trips I've ever done-none compare to all the DMT/ayahuasca trips so of coarse I'd prefer the DMT analogs over the psilocin analogs

BTW I dont beleive 4-ho-dpt/dalt are inactive or whatev, probly just the right dose hasnt been tried, but I doubt they'd even b all that interesting even at a higher dose, i think the 4-sub tryptamines are basically deadends IMO, they just wont have much to offer compared to 4-sub-DMT or N,N-sub-tryptamines and 4-aco-det is nothing like psilocybins altho it is interesting, it's nothing great. There are a few 5-meo-tryps that are worth while 5-meo-mipt/met/dalt are pretty good, but even tho they maybe pretty good and very potent they still cant compare to thier NON 5meo counterparts
 
I've tried alot of 4-Sub-Tryptamines(4-ho-mipt/met/det/dipt) and they're all pretty lame IMO compared to psilocin
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i think the 4-sub tryptamines are basically deadends IMO
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You do realize that psilocin is a tryptamine substituted at the 4 position, don't you?
Do you mean to say that tryptamines with a hydroxy group at the 4 position are somehow superior to those with an acetoxy group? Or the other way around? Or what?
Cause your whole post is basically just you contradicting yourself a few times.
 
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your whole post is basically just you contradicting yourself a few times.
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I've re-read my post several times but I am unable to find any possible contradictions?

But I will expound further just for u tho :) ... I beleive that OF all the 4-sub-tryptamines 4-aco/ho/po-DMT are all the best(OF the 4-subs^) and that ANY variation on the Nitrogens will result in a (IMO) not all that exciting compound(compared to the tryptamines lacking anything in the 2,4, or 5 positions).
 
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