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Opiate PAWS symptoms?

mdeezie1287 said:
i would recomend stayin on the subs for even LONGER.....within reason ofcourse...the reason id recomend that is because u need more than 30 days to build that "regular" life style again...its better to take them for 6 months to a year...
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I second this. Optimally get on a dose that holds you and makes you feel "normal". Allow yourself to stay on that dose and get your shit together--work, school, whatever it is you do. Try to build some clean time and just enjoy not having to wake up dopesick and worry about your next shot. Then when you feel good ready and have been clean for at least a month or two, start slowly lowering your dose.

I tried a number of times to just get off opiates or do short detoxes, and for me it just wouldn't work. But being on Suboxone allowed me to get out of the drug lifestyle, work on breaking bad habits, and get some clean time. And then slowly tapering allowed my brain to adjust to having less and less (and then 0) opiates.

Detox off the Suboxone quickly if you want, but what's the rush? I'd say you're still so close to when you were addicted that you probably won't stay clean (no offense). Being addicted to a medically Rx drug isn't going to cause many problems. Relapsing could get you in jail or dead.
 
i hear you . just dont wanna make it harder when i do get off subs eventually . ill just use these last 25 or so i have left and taper gradually
 
mdeezie1287 said:
u dont have to worry about gettin hooked on susb cause theyr a THOUSAND times easier to get off than dope...thats fasho
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Sorry to fool on the parade but i have to completely disagree with this. I found Suboxone withdrawal to be many magnitudes worse than simple heroin withdrawal. It might have been a little bit better as far as intensity, but the long duration of Sub withdrawal makes it far worse in my opinion. I feel the need to say this because i got a lot of information off of this site and others that made me feel that Suboxone withdrawal would be light and easy, and my attitude toward it was likewise, and wow was i in for a surprise there.

I just want to make this clear to everyone that at least in my experience Suboxone withdrawal was complete hell. I get the feeling that the rumor of it being easy is very untested around here and normally comes from people who are still taking Subs, meaning people who have never quit them. Part of the problem with Suboxone for me was that because it doesn't get you high anymore, you think that you can just walk off of it. Do not be fooled though. If you want to quit Suboxone, make sure to do a good taper beforehand, and still be prepared for a rough month, or two or four.

I completely recommend Suboxone to anyone over opiates or methadone, but I still think that this all needs to be said more.
 
ive gone from 8 mg down to 2 mg and im 6 days off dope................sucks but i wanna get it over with and get off everything
 
batmanplaybaseball said:
I just want to make this clear to everyone that at least in my experience Suboxone withdrawal was complete hell. I get the feeling that the rumor of it being easy is very untested around here and normally comes from people who are still taking Subs, meaning people who have never quit them. Part of the problem with Suboxone for me was that because it doesn't get you high anymore, you think that you can just walk off of it. Do not be fooled though. If you want to quit Suboxone, make sure to do a good taper beforehand, and still be prepared for a rough month, or two or four.

I completely recommend Suboxone to anyone over opiates or methadone, but I still think that this all needs to be said more.
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I agree in that people (and Sub docs) drastically underestimate how bad Suboxone withdrawal can be. Personally I thought getting off from 1 mg was as bad as kicking about 80-120 mg/day OC...I had to take multiple sleeping pills for weeks, and total anhedonia. I couldn't stay clean so I went back on it for 3+ years, then I tapered down to about .30 mg and then quit, and it was a lot easier. Still got all the typical opiate withdrawal symptoms for 2 weeks and had mood swings and a flaring temper throughout the day for about a month before starting to feel normal again. But now 2 months after kicking I feel pretty fantastic.

So basically I would still recommend Suboxone to anyone trying to get clean, but I think its very important to do a slow taper with it and not pretend like kicking it will be easier than any other opiate. If you really think you can get clean without Suboxone, by all means, do it, although I just know how hard that is to do, and aside from moving far away from anywhere you can get opiates I haven't really heard of it working for many people.
 
For me getting off an 8 fucking year buprenorphine habit has been a walk in the park, believe it or not. I was stable at .5mg for the last year and than hopped off and took tramadol for 2 weeks, little to no withdrawal. No mental cravings nothing. I did relapse on heroin before I started the tram, first time in almost 5 yrs I touched heroin.

Having a positive attitude is essential and not buying into what ppl say how the w/d will effect you is key because IMO its largely psychosomatic. Thats just me though and I am only at 3 weeks clean so I don't want to seem like I have it licked because I don't but opiates are just not gonna happen for me anymore, it has to be that way.

Good luck Jake.

peace.
seedless
 
im 6 days off dope , and got down to 4 mg sub today , tried 2 but felt crappy still
 
Jake..just keep thinking how bad the needle ruined your life and how you never want to shoot some dope ever again...why go thru this all any more times?? You're almost at one week clean , you're almost out of the woods...don't go back to the needle now man, it'll only get worst.
 
Wow the op sounds just like me. I feel like i have no motivation without oc. Its hard to do my school work and i seem to get very stressed when i have work to do. Even going to work is tough and I enjoy my job. Hell its a task to get up some days
 
Day 32 for me now and I've been feeling a shitton better since a few days ago. I'm close to considering myself back to normal but have gotten use to not getting my hopes up throughout this process.

But yea, all in all I've got a stable head on my shoulders. I still have problems concentrating but at least it's not affecting my mood when it happens.
 
Yea dope used to give me a reason to get up in the morning...............subs are helping but it aint the same. day 7 today
 
^^i was the same way..when i ran out of oxycontin i remember feeling like every ounce of ambition/motivation was stripped from me..i almost found it strange how people that were kicking would get on the net and post about what they were going thru..with me, i literally didnt have the motivation or energy to surf the net...the anhedonia stacked ontop of it made it hellish...plus, you factor in the no sleeping for about a week and you enter in what i called 'zombie mode'.....
 
Same^^..4 months clean and even on subs and i still have major anhedonia, lack of motivation, lack of emotions, more anger problems than i've ever had, sever depression, social isolation, not being able to/care for solializing with family or friends. it sucks, i'm thinking i should either go back on heroin where i was at least happy SOME TIMES...now i am happy NO TIME or just killing myself. What a fucking trade off, eh? It's really disheartening getting clean and feeling worse sober than when you were a junkie.
 
thats how i feell today . all these n.a. ppl all happy about their gods and im sitting there uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
At least your sitting there jake... I went to an AA meeting tonight almost fucked a soccer mom decided against it than said fuck it and went and had a few beers. Feel achy took some neurontin to help with this klonopin stoppage I guess it kinda helps but I dont know. Glad I am clean from opiates, still occasional dry heaves 3 weeks WOW. Now what? Off everything I wanna be off. I hate drinking such a waste but I can only hang out with sober ppl for so long before I want to shoot myself. Sometimes I dont have a fucking clue, like right now. I guess thats where sleeping pills come in :\

peace.
seedless
 
dude even with 2-3 mg sub yesterday the depression was bad......................still hurt wakin up today . day 8 off opiates , well off dope
 
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