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Methcathinone synthesis byproducts

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Does anyone know if the impurities and metabolites from ingestion are dangerous?

Not that I'm interested in Methcathinone, I hate it. But t would be good to share if anybody does know.
 
Why is MCAT so shitty? It's at least gotta be better than caffeine or ephedrine
 
I must say pure Methcathinone is a wonderful stimulant, just after Methamphetamine. Of course IMHO but why is anybody against Methcathinon? Is that just because of unpure products? I didn't consume bad stuff ...

You need to take the right dose and better don't redose, then you'll enjoy this without hassles. Quite social as well, guess the 5-HT release is significant.
 
Methcathinone metabolizes to ephedrine (dem jitters).
Yes, you do not want Mn ions in your final product (heavy neurotoxicity).
 
I don't get either why methcathinone is considered shitty. Well, stimulants are shitty in general, I don't like using them (don't count in pure cocaine), but in this class methcathinone falls in front of plain amphetamine when it comes to rush (not mentioning 4-MAX or other superior amphetamine derived stimulants, still shit but at least sometimes handy when a hard day comes). It's probably some another stigma put on a drug because it can be easily synthesized with a lot of garbage along with the product in the final solution (manganese cations, potassium chloride, benzaldehyde along with other by-products of destroying the amine). But that's what happens when someone adds KMnO4 at face value with no chemistry knowledge, doesn't control temperature, doesn't control anything in fact.

What I only think and never practiced before is that using sodium chlorate (I) (NaClO) is a way better idea to get methcathinone from ephedrine. And no bleach is needed to "easily" get sodium chlorate (I), this is probably in any good handbook. Anyway, getting down to synthesis of anything without chemical knowledge is stupidity in my opinion.

That's why some consider methcathinone shitty having seen some yellow-brown/pink-whatever solutions with methcathinone acetate injected by some people. Imagine on the other hand a >99% clean methcathinone hydrochloride powder. Two different things.
 
I was forced to bump this as I made two threads and no one has answer for me. How dangerous is Jeff? Eastern European methcat that is synthed just like the op said accept is not washed at all. They say it can cause parkinsons I am just wondering as I have only shot it maybe 7-15 times.
 
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I was forced to bump this as I made two threads and no one has answer for me. How dangerous is Jeff? Eastern European methcat that is synthed just like the op said accept is not washed at all. They say it can cause parkinsons I am just wondering as I have only shot it maybe 7-15 times.
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I wouldn't make a habit of it(I have only ever snorted or smoked it myself). Manganese is some nasty stuff. I did some reading about it awhile back bc i was worried about it in the MCAT, apparently this manganese parkinsonism is something that welder's have to worry about bc of Mn fumes.

Something else to worry about when shooting this is KCl. If you did the straight KMnO3 synth and made mcat hcl you will have some potassium chloride in your final product due to remaining potassium in the solution when the HCl is added. KCl can stop your heart when injected in high enough doses.
 
^ Well am taking about jeff it is mcat but is also not at all washed. All it is is you take you don't need to mention this part, so don't do it again permanganate and put it in a solution of water then filter with cotton bang. Does not sound too healthy and it causes parkinson's but am wondering if am at all in danger since I have only shot it about 8-15 times.
 
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Well yes, you've been exposed to manganese ions, so your at more risk than someone who's never done it. How much totally dependes upon how much Mn2+ was in the soln you injected; this can massively vary depending upon how careful you were. If it was over a year ago and you've still no signs of the beginning of Parkinsons, you'll probably be OK until you reach pensioner type age, but then you could be a lot more at risk of developing it, depending upon how much/which other enviromental neurotoxins you're exposed to in your life.

If the last shot was last week, you're playing a waiting game I'm afraid

PS Chromic acid isn't particularly that much better in terms of health as hexavalent chromium is also nasty carcinogenic shit (as is the central theme of the film 'Erin Brocovitch'!)
 
I'm wondering why the hell ( 0.1% ) KMnO4 solution is used in some cases of intoxication (According to the German Wiki-Article on KMnO4) for clearing someones stomach if this compound was as toxic as commonly thought!?
 
^ I dont know but it is pretty fucking toxic. I have seen so many people go from normal to unfunctional drooling animal's.
 
You guys seem to confuse some things here.

For one thing, permanganese is of low acute toxicity (LD50(rat, oral) = 750 mg/kg). The (german) Wiki-article states absolutely correct that it can be used in the context of emergency medicine to deactivate ingested harmful substances (if those are easily oxidizable). The acute poisoning with some manganese is negligible in comparison to a potentially deadly toxin. And btw: A daily intake of ca. 4 mg manganese is the recommended (!) dosage due to manganese' role as essentiell trace metal.

The toxicity of permanganese (or in fact manganese(II) as the usual final product of permanganese' reduction) is of relevance in particular when dosed repeatedly (read: frequent use od Mn-contaminated methcathinone), when applied i.v. or a combination of both.

It is indeed a gross exaggeration to call it "pretty fucking toxic".


- Murphy

P.S. I can recommend the wiki-article about "Manganism". This explains a lot of the misinformation.
 
^ Constant use has pretty bad effect's as I have seen but there are legitamiate use's for it still and it is pretty safe. I have used it very rarley would you say it is still pretty toxic?
 
I think permanganate is absorbed poorly through the digestive system, it usually ends up as Mn2+ which is pretty innocuous. Potassium permanganate used to be used in water disinfectant tablets for emergency use, IV administration is a different matter.
 
Dankycodone said:
^ Constant use has pretty bad effect's as I have seen but there are legitamiate use's for it still and it is pretty safe. I have used it very rarley would you say it is still pretty toxic?
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Well, I've heard of people performing the synthesis with permanganese (no details from me), working up the raw reaction mixture by oxidizing the remaining permanganese to Mn(II) and injecting the resulting colourless solution directly i.v.. THAT is indeed calling for acute intoxication. Solid methcathinone (ie. any salt) that contains only comparably small amounts of Mn(II) is IMO safe to use when done only rarely. But I have to state it again: When used frequently even low doses of Mn(II) be prove to be harmful.

This drug is in general not recommended neither for binges (ie. short period, high amounts) nor for constant use (ie. longer period and relatively low doses). When taken intranasally and at doses around 20-60 mg, it's really enjoyable. Everything else is strongly discouraged.

Peace! - Murphy
 
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We don't do this kind of shit here man. Go find a local meth lab on your street and go cause crime with them. BlueLight=0 tolerance for crime and this sort of silly shit. I'm sure this thread will be closed. I suggest you read the forum rules as well as the bluelight user agreement.

Peace.
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You dumbshit. You're in a drug forum, be tolerant. He's asking how to wash the drug so that it's not harmful, idiot.:)
You remind me of those dumbshits moderators from drugs-forum.com

Cheers
 
You just responded to a four and a half year old post by someone who has been banned.

To be fair, though, that post made me upset when I read the first page too.
 
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