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Mexico K vs Indian K

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I used to live next to Mexico and had the privelege of always having pure k. Now I moved and everyone in the Pacific NW orders their K online and most of it comes from India. Even if it hasn't been cut and is pure, it isn't nearly as good as Mexico's K. What's the deal?
 
if it hasnt been cut then it is the same as mexicos.
ketamine is ketamine.
Well except the for the diferent isomers which may be causing different efffects
heres a thread to learn about tt that [Ketamine Subthread] Isomers: R and S Ketamine

it is possible that it was cut :\
or that you have a tolerance.

anyway, you take what you can get =D

(but hopefully you get the good shit)
:)
 
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if it hasnt been cut then it is the same as mexicos.
ketamine is ketamine.
Well except the for the diferent isomers which may be causing different efffects
heres a thread to learn about tt that [Ketamine Subthread] Isomers: R and S Ketamine

it is possible that it was cut :\
or that you have a tolerance.

anyway, you take what you can get =D

(but hopefully you get the good shit)
:)

I have had two types of Ketamine. One type I used to purchase in India OTC =D it felt alot less clean and the experience wasn't as smooth as the German made Ketamine I had been binging on less than 4 weeks before.

It's hard to really place my finger on the exact differences ... but the German was far superior and felt allot cleaner during and after the trip.
 
yer i have also had 2 different types of ketamine i know they are both pure coz one was freshly cooked powder and still a bit warm when i got it and the batch i have now is small clear crystals and am assured by a good mate they saw it being cooked up

anyway the second bit i got didnt feel as clean and smooth as the 1st lot but it feels a lot more anasphetic (spelling) (an-ass-fetic) as in completely flooring me and making my face slightly numb and is a bit trippier

bit of a khangover on the second lot but i prefer this bit
 
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I have had two types of Ketamine. One type I used to purchase in India OTC =D it felt alot less clean and the experience wasn't as smooth as the German made Ketamine I had been binging on less than 4 weeks before.

It's hard to really place my finger on the exact differences ... but the German was far superior and felt allot cleaner during and after the trip.

I agree with Delsyd.

Ketamine is Ketamine. There may be slight differences between the two isomers. Chances are if your trip felt different or less clean, that it was cut or it was tainted with another substance.

Also keep in mind that is is a psychedelic, hence it is possible to experience different results with a varying set and setting.
Also, as Delsyd mentioned, tolerance is an issue not to overlook with K.
 
8 ft sativa is right he described the look of Indian K it even looks different they are larger cyrstals and have a dirtier high, that's less psychedelic. I know it was pure and the shit from Mexico I would cook up so that was pure. and trust me there is a huge difference. I think it does have something to do with Isomers though.
 
8 ft sativa is right he described the look of Indian K it even looks different they are larger cyrstals and have a dirtier high, that's less psychedelic. I know it was pure and the shit from Mexico I would cook up so that was pure. and trust me there is a huge difference. I think it does have something to do with Isomers though.

Yeah that's exactly right!

Indian K was less psychadelic and had a more dirty narcotic feeling.

I tried both Indian and German made Ketamine straight from the vial thanks to dodgy third world pharmacists lol.

It probably is isomers as said above.... although India really doesn't have a good track record when it comes to clean or even genuine Pharmaceuticals ..... and that's puting it lightly.

All i'm saying is that they feel VERY different ..... I know my Ketamine :)
 
^as do i.

and i have had ketamine cooked from vials, made in india and where ever else they make it.

Iv had it in crystals, shards, powder, sealed RX powder, sealed rx vials.

India or not, there are times you get Ket that feels better than others.
And some do fel different than others

But Ive certainly had ketamine from india that put me into a k hole with out me even expecting it. (that was a fun ride :))
 
yer i have also had 2 different types of ketamine i know they are both pure coz one was freshly cooked powder and still a bit warm when i got it and the batch i have now is small clear crystals and am assured by a good mate they saw it being cooked up

anyway the second bit i got didnt feel as clean and smooth as the 1st lot but it feels a lot more anasphetic (spelling) (an-ass-fetic) as in completely flooring me and making my face slightly numb and is a bit trippier

bit of a khangover on the second lot but i prefer this bit

the term is Anaesthetic. pronounced: An-ass-thet-tick

and from what I understand powder is cooked up liquid, and crystal is pre-liquid; as in the state it is in before water is added and it is bottled o make it injectable.
 
the term is Anaesthetic. pronounced: An-ass-thet-tick

and from what I understand powder is cooked up liquid, and crystal is pre-liquid; as in the state it is in before water is added and it is bottled o make it injectable.

interesting could you explain the crystal method further i've cooked up liquid many times so no need to explain that process.
 
interesting could you explain the crystal method further i've cooked up liquid many times so no need to explain that process.

I do not know the "method", this is how it comes from the manufacturer(lab) that produces it. It's natural state(unadulterated) is that of a crystal, you would have to synthesize it from scratch to get the crystals or know someone who gets it from the manufacturer(chemist).

It may be possible to re-crystallize it if you pour the liquid into a glass dish and let it evaporate naturally without adding any heat. I personally have never been patient enough to do this. I always heat it evaporate it off when I've gotten liquid. The last few times I have gotten it, has been crystalline.

Does anyone know if ketamine has a history of being clandestinely produced or does it always come from pharmaceutical diversion?
 
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here is a beautiful pic that shambles graced us with in a different thread:

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previous thread on Ketamine Recrystalization
 
Ahh, the triannual ketamine intrinsic brand difference debate surfaces again. OP, this isn't directed at you really, it's meant to anticipate and address all the various claims I've heard over the years about this issue:

Here's the gist: A synthesis that doesn't make use of any chiral substances won't produce a chiral product. That means that if ketamine is synthesized without using any chiral ingredients (which cost extra), then the product will be a racemic mixture, which is a mixture of equal amounts of R and S. Beyond that, even in India certain standards of quality most be adhered to by legit pharmaceutical companies, so it's all basically the same stuff.

It costs extra money to make higher or lower than the standard 50:50 R/S, so there's no reason to suspect that different brands have different ratios unless they market that fact. If a brand has more S they advertise it, like Ketanest S does. Ketanest S is the ONLY brand I've ever seen anything beyond user's conjecture to support the idea that a particular brand is intrinsically different than another. Show me a proper analysis or a company release regarding the contents of different brands. How many years (decades?) has this debate been going on and we still wonder why something semi-official and not difficult to obtain hasn't shown up proving that there are in fact numerous different isomer ratios circulating? The absence of good evidence should tell us something. I'm guessing the reason it continues is because dealers have a profit motive for supporting this myth. If nobody knows which brands have different isomer ratios but many different ratios are in fact on the market, well then, the one they're selling has the ratio/effects you want.

Why rely on subjective testimony when there's no reason we should have to and experience is extremely fallible? Unless you get a custom synthesis or Ketanest S, there's no reason to believe that uncut ketamine isn't the 50:50 R/S. Also, the size of the crystals is meaningless, as it can be attributed simply to the rate the liquid was evaporated. The only other intrinsic difference is concentration, with some vials having 100 mg/mL and others 50 mg/mL. Obviously that can make a difference if you're IMing!.

The reason people think one brand is qualitatively different than another is most plausibly attributable to the tendency to buy a small amount of a particular brand and finish it over a short time period. Psychological and physiological factors co-occurring with the time period of use color our experience of the brand even though it is intrinsically no different than other brands. I believe this thoroughly and even I have found myself preferring one bottle over another. Only in the past couple of years have I had steady access to a single brand, and over that time my friends and I have had radically divergent experiences with it at the very same dose.

Psychological factors are much less salient than brand name or label colors or vial shape, and so we naturally tend toward these overt visual cues when searching for an explanation (there are reams of psychological texts documenting this heuristic). From there on expectation bias and social conformity bias result in self-fulfilling prophesies regarding K brand quality. We do this because we want to be able to exert control over our drug experiences, but more often than not we're in fact cheating ourselves, because it means if we don't get THAT ONE special type of K we won't enjoy the experience as much.
 
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8 ft sativa is right he described the look of Indian K it even looks different they are larger cyrstals and have a dirtier high, that's less psychedelic. I know it was pure and the shit from Mexico I would cook up so that was pure. and trust me there is a huge difference. I think it does have something to do with Isomers though.

You need to be careful with this type of talk, not for any reason besides manipulating your own experiences with ketamine. The brain is a very complex structure, and the mind the resides with in it can dictate more about the way your perceiving the world than most give it credit for, especially when you are trying to differentiate between individual experiences of a psychedelic nature (one that alters your normal reality/perception of the world).

I have personally seen a trend through my experiences that the there is the potential for a huge variance of effects when talking about a NMDA-antagonist dissociative. Variable levels of glutamate, Ca cations, or from the the fact that some subunits/organization of subunits of the NMDAR can lead to long term potential or long term depression due to the synaptic plasticity. Considering the complexity of potential cascades of effects from different forms of interaction or the potential of modification of the receptor system from external influences, I could see the potential for a variety of different pharmacological responses, especially when using semi frequently to frequently over a shorter period of time. Modulation of the NMDAr system seems to show a response with in a short period of time. Though I can't say that connection really exists.

Also psood0nym couldn't have said it any better.
 
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Ahh, the triannual ketamine intrinsic brand difference debate surfaces again. OP, this isn't directed at you really, it's meant to anticipate and address all the various claims I've heard over the years about this issue:

Here's the gist: A synthesis that doesn't make use of any chiral substances won't produce a chiral product. That means that if ketamine is synthesized without using any chiral ingredients (which cost extra), then the product will be a racemic mixture, which is a mixture of equal amounts of R and S. Beyond that, even in India certain standards of quality most be adhered to by legit pharmaceutical companies, so it's all basically the same stuff.

It costs extra money to make higher or lower than the standard 50:50 R/S, so there's no reason to suspect that different brands have different ratios unless they market that fact. If a brand has more S they advertise it, like Ketanest S does. Ketanest S is the ONLY brand I've ever seen anything beyond user's conjecture to support the idea that a particular brand is intrinsically different than another. Show me a proper analysis or a company release regarding the contents of different brands. How many years (decades?) has this debate been going on and we still wonder why something semi-official and not difficult to obtain hasn't shown up proving that there are in fact numerous different isomer ratios circulating? The absence of good evidence should tell us something. I'm guessing the reason it continues is because dealers have a profit motive for supporting this myth. If nobody knows which brands have different isomer ratios but many different ratios are in fact on the market, well then, the one they're selling has the ratio/effects you want.

Why rely on subjective testimony when there's no reason we should have to and experience is extremely fallible? Unless you get a custom synthesis or Ketanest S, there's no reason to believe that uncut ketamine isn't the 50:50 R/S. Also, the size of the crystals is meaningless, as it can be attributed simply to the rate the liquid was evaporated. The only other intrinsic difference is concentration, with some vials having 100 mg/mL and others 50 mg/mL. Obviously that can make a difference if you're IMing!.

The reason people think one brand is qualitatively different than another is most plausibly attributable to the tendency to buy a small amount of a particular brand and finish it over a short time period. Psychological and physiological factors co-occurring with the time period of use color our experience of the brand even though it is intrinsically no different than other brands. I believe this thoroughly and even I have found myself preferring one bottle over another. Only in the past couple of years have I had steady access to a single brand, and over that time my friends and I have had radically divergent experiences with it at the very same dose.

Psychological factors are much less salient than brand name or label colors or vial shape, and so we naturally tend toward these overt visual cues when searching for an explanation (there are reams of psychological texts documenting this heuristic). From there on expectation bias and social conformity bias result in self-fulfilling prophesies regarding K brand quality. We do this because we want to be able to exert control over our drug experiences, but more often than not we're in fact cheating ourselves, because it means if we don't get THAT ONE special type of K we won't enjoy the experience as much.

This, this, and this. Yet again.
 
Also, be aware that a significant amount of K on the market is fake/adulterated/etc.

If you don't get vials from a real brand, you could be getting fake stuff. I have a sample of Indian ketamine (from a normally-reliable source) which is very different from my sample of ketamine from a source that imports it from mexico. They are both a dissociative of some sort. They give different reagent test results, and the drip tastes different, and the effects are qualitatively different.
 
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