Rectal ROA Problem

[FloridaHighs]

Ohkay sooo... just mashed up a pill (Concerta 54mg) and stuck it in my little Pyrex, injected 5ml of warm water as usual, but... when i tried to mix the powder it turned kinda gooey and stuck to my stirrer.

I think its the binders but im worried the racemic wont reach second pass metabolism. Do I need like a glass stirrer or something?

I know methylphenidate is practically insoluble in water but that wouldn't interfere with the administration would it? I mean its a mixture so theoretically rectal admin would work. Im kinda scared to inject 91% IPA up my sphincter lol.

Advice and experiences are appreciated

 

[FloridaHighs]

Hello BDD, im going to re-post my thread since it wasnt getting much attention elsewhere.

Ohkay sooo... just mashed up a pill (Concerta 54mg) and stuck it in my little Pyrex, injected 5ml of warm water as usual, but... when i tried to mix the powder it turned kinda gooey and stuck to my stirrer.

I think its the binders but im worried the racemic wont reach second pass metabolism. Do I need like a glass stirrer or something?

I know methylphenidate is practically insoluble in water but that wouldn't interfere with the administration would it? I mean its a mixture so theoretically rectal admin would work. Im kinda scared to inject 91% IPA up my sphincter lol.

Advice and experiences are appreciated

 

[Shambles]

I know nowt of methylphenidate so can't help you on the specifics of plugging Concerta. I do know that plugging alcohol can sting like buggery fuck (as it were) and can probably damage your bunghole too. I'd definitely water it down before plugging such a high-percentage alcohol.

As for plugging water insoluble stuff, I believe stuff like benzos and synthetic cannabinoids that I have heard of people plugging have required mixing with something with a fat content to be effective. Have only plugged water solubles myself but I don't think insolubles work too well unless dissolved in something fatty (full-fat milk rings a bell). May be different with MPH but thought it may be relevant.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Whatever you do do not inject Isopropyl alcohol in your ass, you will be severely fucked up, and accidentally kill off your liver and be in comatose state.

 

[Cloud_9]

The only thing I could recommend would be to leave the capsules in a slightly acidic mixture so as to dissolve any of the time releasing agents and have it become something with just pure MPH after 12h or so sitting in a dish with vitamin C or lemon juice in it.

 

[LivingOnValium]

Methylphenidate HCl (which is in Concerta as well) is very soluble water. If crush up Concerta and dissolve it in water you end up with a slurry containing all the methylphenidate. You can eat/drink it or plug it for example. It's good for rectal consumption. What ever you end up doing don't inject the slurry.

 

[Cloud_9]

What ever you end up doing don't inject the slurry.

Unless you happen to have a micron filter!

You have to at least give some of the lucky few of us paranoid as hell IV users credit when it comes to preparing solutions as safely as possible! Remember, 0.22um and lower is where that golden-zone is; anything smaller is fine too if you care to wait for the saline to slowly make its way to the barrel as it goes through little holes barely big enough for 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen to go through sucking in their stomachs...

Also: while I can't find an acute number for you, bluelight's little database of bio-availabilities shows MPH as "markedly increased rate of absorption" or some such for rectal Methylphenidate, so I would use at least 1/3rd less if this is your first chance using MPH with this route of administration. By the way, have fun re-dosing by running into the restroom every hour or so with this combination; far too quickly over to be much of any fun when I tried it. If you happen to have a large amount of pure-ish MPH, then you are set. Otherwise, you will burn out a month's MPH in less than a week-end if you are going to be taking recreationally significant doses.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=266339&highlight=bioavailability

 

[Jabberwocky]

where's the IPA come into the equation? you don't need it now that you've mixed it. or did you use that for an extraction? i'm confused, sorry.

plug what you're left with as long as it's not a solution containing a few mls of alcohol - that would sting the clacker!

moving over to bdd

 

[Cloud_9]

where's the IPA come into the equation? you don't need it now that you've mixed it. or did you use that for an extraction? i'm confused, sorry.

plug what you're left with as long as it's not a solution containing a few mls of alcohol - that would sting the clacker!

moving over to bdd

As long as you don't plan on using 99.x% IPA-Isopropyl, its not all-together too unpleasant as long as you don't plug anything more than say 9ml or so, which is 3 or the 3ml syringes I have.

It isn't the most comfortable feeling in the world, but it won't have you running hunched over to the toilet and once you get there you realize that "expelling" the product would be such a waste and you just sit there "ground-hoggin'" it as you think of whether or not it is worth it to keep such a violent suspension in you...

If you for any reason plan on plugging high levels of very pure IPA, be sure to look up the safety profile of the it and be careful not to ingest too much. I know some people who chose to suspend their phenazepam in high-proof alcohols instead of poly-ethylene glycol and wound up with massive intestinal discomfort when the number of "applications" had them using more than 10ml of solution at once.

 

[LivingOnValium]

No.

The IPA comes into the picture if you want to put on an effort and extract (relativly pure) methylphenidate from concerta tablets(for IVing or snorting). For plugging there's no need for that.

I highly recommend icluding tha IPA step in the procedure if someone is going to inject the MPH from concerta.

Common sense says that the sludge cannot be very good for your veins. Even if you manage to micron filter it notwithstanding it's high viscousity it will still be a sludge.

After IPA method the crude crystals can just dissolved in water like any common street drug (this is the point where i would include the micron filtering).

 

[Jabberwocky]

As long as you don't plan on using 99.x% IPA-Isopropyl, its not all-together too unpleasant as long as you don't plug anything more than say 9ml or so, which is 3 or the 3ml syringes I have.

yeah but what i'm getting at is you wouldn't(read : don't) need it in the end solution. you'd simply need to crush and add sufficient water (even if it does end up as a little sludgy) and plug. unless as LivingonValium said(and what i was hinting toward in my initial post, hence my confusion) and you use the iso extract on the mph before and then you're just adding water to mostly pure product.

 

[Cloud_9]

yeah but what i'm getting at is you wouldn't(read : don't) need it in the end solution. you'd simply need to crush and add sufficient water (even if it does end up as a little sludgy) and plug. unless as LivingonValium said(and what i was hinting toward in my initial post, hence my confusion) and you use the iso extract on the mph before and then you're just adding water to mostly pure product.

Well I still stand by what I said, plugging isopropyl alcohol is not the smartest idea in the world. I don't know the small dose over long term problems that can come up, but isopopyl alcohol in general isn't meant to be put in the human body.

 

[Pegasus]

^It isn't, and if it is done, I would go right behind it with an equal amount of saline or water to help rinse the alcohol from burning the lining of the membrane. I would expect bloody stool and possibly worse complications from the burns that this alcohol in it's pure form would do.

 

[Cloud_9]

^It isn't, and if it is done, I would go right behind it with an equal amount of saline or water to help rinse the alcohol from burning the lining of the membrane. I would expect bloody stool and possibly worse complications from the burns that this alcohol in it's pure form would do.

Can we all just agree that ingesting even small amounts of isopropyl alcohol by any route of administration is a possibly dangerous, surely uncomfortable, and not really needed for anything I can think of right now. There is almost always an equally viable suspension liquid for something like phenasepam, or in this case, to extract methylphenidate.

I have only ever ingested orally 151 proof alcohol preparations and that was just asking for an ulcer. I can't imagine that applying it further down the digestive tract would mitigate the awfulness that is high-proof alcohol.

 

[FloridaHighs]

yeah but what i'm getting at is you wouldn't(read : don't) need it in the end solution. you'd simply need to crush and add sufficient water (even if it does end up as a little sludgy) and plug. unless as LivingonValium said(and what i was hinting toward in my initial post, hence my confusion) and you use the iso extract on the mph before and then you're just adding water to mostly pure product.

Yes I agree, I come back to the thread and everyones now telling me to plug an alcoholic solution? I am pretty sure that would have a negative consequence on my liver. haha Ill probably do an IPA extract just to see if it works out any better.

 

[LivingOnValium]

Well I still stand by what I said, plugging isopropyl alcohol is not the smartest idea in the world. I don't know the small dose over long term problems that can come up, but isopopyl alcohol in general isn't meant to be put in the human body.

You are the one who started talking about plugging IPA in this thread. Leftwing asked a question concerning (something else than plugging) IPA and ever since you and only you have been talking about plugging it.

What's wrong with you?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Can we all just agree that ingesting even small amounts of isopropyl alcohol by any route of administration is a possibly dangerous, surely uncomfortable, and not really needed for anything I can think of right now.

we already agree on that:D everyone of us in here does.

Yes I agree, I come back to the thread and everyones now telling me to plug an alcoholic solution? I am pretty sure that would have a negative consequence on my liver. haha Ill probably do an IPA extract just to see if it works out any better.

yeah it's alright. it was just my asking the question over something i was confused about, my bad haha

i don't think you'd experience any liver problems from plugging the alcohol. more like a bloody stool from a burnt rectum. there's some info out there on the damage it can do if you search.