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First acid trip, turned out to be DOB, long lasting negative effects.

Lifes the trip, psychedelics just compress perception, intensify it to a rediculous level. any rewiring that happens on a psych can happen in life through expereinces. In the case of a negative psychedelic trip you need to rewire the way your mind thinks by prolonged life expereince focusing on things that are not anxiety causing, and your symptoms will slowly fade as they have. This goes for anything. ever. Its all about training your mind with the propor set and setting, your environment and the way you preceive it.
 
I feel so blessed to live in socal...the ridiculously gigantic rave scene here means that there's always a constant flow of good acid (and pretty much anything else)
 
side effects still haven't really gone away that much. i still feel like i don't own parts of my body and i feel out of my head a lot. i think the anxiety is really wearing down on me, i think i'm going to get prescribed to xanax.
 
Dougdoug -- I go through periods of intense anxiety sometimes, in which my body AND mind feel broken. It's an awful and unshakeable feeling, and it's really easy to fall into its trap, and become convinced that your entire being is truly falling apart! The mind-body connection is stronger than you'd believe!

I can assure you, however, that you are NOT damaged, and that you WILL recover. <3 Your DOB trip has simply triggered a phase of negative thought; nothing more, and nothing less. The sooner you see behind the veil of anxiety that you are strong and healthy, the more quickly the veil disappears entirely! I speak only from personal experience. :)


Also, before you seek benzodiazepines, know that there are safer and less addictive pharmacological solutions. Depending on the nature of your anxiety, a beta-blocker such as propranolol may help a LOT. I know that it did for me.
 
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I think Salvia would work brilliantly for you dougdoug, it's one hell of a head fuck- kinda like detonating a bomb inside your mind. The positives won't be immediate & it'll still take some time but it will really sort you out in the long run & get you on your way to living again as opposed to what sounds like a dead like state at the moment.

It worked fantastically for me anyway & I apparently had derealisation, depression etc before my first Salvia trip over a year ago. I was right at the bottom of a huge hole, I felt dead, I can see some similarities with your current state although no panic attacks for me & I'd never touched any drug until Salvia.

I'd be carefull with benzos, not exactly known for their ability to sharpen the senses, adding dullness to a state of derealisation isn't a great idea & personally I'd stay WELL clear of (anti) depressants if they are offered. Prozac (Fluoxetine) made me feel even more not here, I had the sensation of floating above the ground when I tried them, they sapped any feelings I had left too, good or bad, I just felt like a robot. I can clearly see why these lead to increased suicide in people taking them, suicide is no big deal at all while on them, it's crazy some docs prescibe them so freely, though I suppose they must work for some people.

Good Luck with recovery mate :)
 
^ I would be very hesitant to recommend salvia in this scenario. :\ Salvia may have done incredible things for you -- this, I'm not denying. Simply based on what I know about this drug from the personal accounts I've read, using it in a volatile state of mind is really playing with fire.
 
^Yeah I shouldn't be recommending Salvia in this situation, you're totally right, excuse me I have the urge to big it up at the moment lol, I was going to add a little disclaimer or something- it certainly doesn't help everyone that's for sure.

Personally I plan never to touch Salvia again, other than perhaps low doses purely because the trip itself (with higher amounts) isn't usually that pleasent (it's taught me it's lesson already too) & I can just as easily see it sending me or anyone else for that matter in the opposite direction, if feeling sane at the time, I wouldn't recommend people who are happy with things as they are to take it. It's just in this case it seems that there needs to be a big change coming from somewhere.

It's totally down to what you feel is right & I suppose finding your own way out whichever way that may be is the key.
 
you can't fight having very little control with being controlling.. in any circumstance. also, pot is fucking fantastic medicine, i wasn't being flippant or silly. the more you hole up in this, the more you try to keep yourself from being what you are now, the more miserable you'll be. you are not damaged goods now.. you're not a fragile little egg that needs to be sheltered from the world now.. you burnt your wings, but you can still fly again.. really.

Pot affects people differently. Don't forget this. When i took 2c-i the trip was great til i smoked pot then i started going insane. Now every time i smoke pot i get really anxious and i guess you could say i have flashbacks of that god awful trip. Paranoia, anxiety, feeling of something really terrible going to happen. I used to get this all the time since taking 150-175mg of 2c-i, now i only get it when i smoke pot.

I suggest something that doesn't have an inclination in causing paranoia or psychotic breaks. How about the opposite? Try taking Xanax or Valium or something of that sort when you start getting really freaked out. Just remember not to take it every day.


PS... i haven't taken a psychedelic in about a year now. And i probably never will. I'm just way too freaked out by the entire thing. Hell i even carry around anti-psychotics any where i go in case someone spikes anything of mine.
 
i just thought it'd be a good idea in case i might have any signs of hppd and i know people use it when they have that. i've been clean for 3 months now and i want something, and why not something that can help with my current state no matter what. i'm friends with people that are very knowledgeable with addictive drugs and i feel like they could help with this if i needed any, such as moderation advice.
 
Hey guys, hate to sound slow, but what is DOB?

It's the amphetamine analog of 2C-B -- i.e. 4-iodo-2,5-dimethoxy-phenylpropan-2-amine. It's a very potent psychedelic whose effects are considered very unpleasant. The related Bromo-DragonFLY also falls into the category of "very potent, feels bad man".

dougdoug, you should probably try to have a -positive- psychedelic experience. i've heard a few cases where people had anxiety attacks after a bad trip that were halted by their subsequent good trip. mescaline might not be such a bad choice, you can easily order san pedro cuttings and make tea.

you'll absolutely need to have a sitter, though. and for what it's worth, benzos can easily fuck you up (addiction / withdrawl) to the point that DOB looks like candy.
 
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I've heard of plenty of cases where people who had bad first acid trips had a repeat bad trip with the same state of mind, probably brought on by anxiety or paranoia... only heard of this in acid trips though, wouldn't know if it'd be a placebo kinda effect if he took mescaline. Doesn't sound like a good idea in his said mindset though, especially since he doesn't have any experience in drugs. My belief is you can't repair damage caused by recreational drugs in the way of withdrawal, anxiety/paranoia or enforcement, with more recreational drugs or in most cases even benzos, just judging from what I've seen with pot speed and X.
Sorry to hear that dude, I've felt mild paranoia from 2 years of smoking mull, and had that 'nothing's wrong but still something isn't right' feeling when I took a White Dove and smoked at the same time, but I can't imagine having a permanently changed brain chemistry, not feeling like everything in my head isn't in order, just from one external influence you thought was something else... Hope you get better in time dude, best of wishes to you.
 
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I've heard of plenty of cases where people who had bad first acid trips had a repeat bad trip with the same state of mind, probably brought on by anxiety or paranoia... only heard of this in acid trips though, wouldn't know if it'd be a placebo kinda effect if he took mescaline. Doesn't sound like a good idea in his said mindset though, especially since he doesn't have any experience in drugs. My belief is you can't repair damage caused by recreational drugs in the way of withdrawal, anxiety/paranoia or enforcement, with more recreational drugs or in most cases even benzos, just judging from what I've seen with pot speed and X.
Sorry to hear that dude, I've felt mild paranoia from 2 years of smoking mull, and had that 'nothing's wrong but still something isn't right' feeling when I took a White Dove and smoked at the same time, but I can't imagine having a permanently changed brain chemistry, not feeling like everything in my head isn't in order, just from one external influence you thought was something else... Hope you get better in time dude, best of wishes to you.

1. take xanax
2. eat shrooms
3. ???????
4. profit?!
 
start smoking pot daily. <3 don't let em tell you how damaged you are. the modern medical community will do very little to help you and a whole lot that will make it worse/convince you its a bigger deal than it really is. you gotta cut loose. things are different now. life is not over far from it. my prescription, smoke pot daily. if that doesn't sound good another shamen might be able to help you. maybe the native american church? maybe travel to peru? i dunno.. smoke pot. <3

I don't mean to bash any beliefs you have, but dude... no. Just no. That's a terrible idea.

I really don't think he should take any more "street drugs", it's a game of russian roulette. Sure maybe another trip will straighten him out, but more likely it'll just fuck shit up more. I say most likely because he wouldn't exactly be going into the trip with the best mindset.

Just stay sober dougdoug, just "live healthy" to the full extent of that phrase.
 
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"drained serotonin receptors"??? Ughhh, ridiculous. Whenever I've heard of someone consulting a physician about bad results from a trip, they always make up some BS like that. They always have to attribute it to some physical problem, even though the issue is probably more so the way you are looking at your life now. Your perception has just likely been changed. Waiting things out should help you... my advice is not to take any medication they try to give you. The medication would likely have just as many or more tangible negative effects than the psych did...
 
"drained serotonin receptors"??? Ughhh, ridiculous. Whenever I've heard of someone consulting a physician about bad results from a trip, they always make up some BS like that. They always have to attribute it to some physical problem, even though the issue is probably more so the way you are looking at your life now. Your perception has just likely been changed. Waiting things out should help you... my advice is not to take any medication they try to give you. The medication would likely have just as many or more tangible negative effects than the psych did...
Yeah, xanax may cover up the anxiety, but it can worsen depression. That's what it does to me. Didn't even stop the depersonalization, it just made me not care about it, and everything else for that matter, leading to having very poor judgment. Antidepressants can also trigger anxiety attacks, especially Cymbalta (I had severe anxiety attacks every single night while I was on that shit!). Not to mention trying to ween yourself off antidepressants is hell. And, seriously, "drained serotonin receptors"? Receptor downregulation occurs but it's short-term.
 
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i tried smoking pot today, i seriously think i have hppd but the form of it before it seriously flares up.
 
I am 16 years old ( i know exactly what your thinking ) '' here we go '',anyway. Since age 13 i've been keeping my eye's and ears open for the hint of any acid tabs floating around in my area i live in a town near newcastle uk england, and finally 3 years later someone i know ended up getting 100 tabs in off someone who knows what there doing.I thought all blotters had a single image repeated on all the individual tabs,but these were called '' bathtubs '' because on the whole sheet of 100 tabs the picture that stretched over them was evidently a detailed room with a large bathtub in it, and on the back of the tabs it was white blotter with loads of noticeable purple/pink drops on them.

Before i talk about the tabs i'll just let u all know my history with drugs,incase your wondering no this ''acid'' wasn't the first thing i'd tried, at age 13 i tried magic mushrooms, infact the first night i smoked a j i took magic mushrooms, then it was ecstasy pills which mainly had alot of amphetamine in them, then from 14 i'd done cocaine,speed,valium,peyote(mescaline),amatryptaline, then at 15 i got my first pills packed with MDMA in them, then MDMA crystals and all in all over the years i;ve done a bit too much of all these things for my age but i came through smarter then i ever would of been if i didn;t choose this road.... anywaaaaaay back too the subject at hand.

So 16years old , its roughly 6PM,and had 2 of these tabs infront of me, i had stuff to do the next day so i was only planning on taking half one these things, but while in the middle of talking too a friend i put the whole thing on my tongue,from this point i knew i was in for an interesting time, about an hour goes by, i smoke abit of weed, another hour .. bit more weed, ( starting to feel a bit weird, everything seems to have some kind of very slight couler lift to it but nothing especially noticeable, so me being the silly fucker i am i thought these arn't kicking in fast enough ( i knew it was going to kick in soon anyway ) but i thought fuck it one of my philosophy;s is if your gunna do something, do it right, so i pick up the second tab and stick it on my tongue,half an hour later they both starting kicking in, i went from being basically sober to seeing all the pictures and posters covering my walls starting moving, in unison all at the same time in a soothing repetitive motion, like i had a few posters that on one corner were hanging off the wall a bit because the blu tac had unstuck, and i was trippin that much that these parts of the poster were lifting back up onto the wall like they should of been then dropping back down and it was all happening at once, i was lying on my bed looking up at my ceiling and i have a picture of a massive pac-man spray painted up there and his mouth was literally opening and closing infront of my eyes, i had never seen anything like it i mean i've eaten 400 mushrooms before and smoked 3g of weed at the same time but i'd never seen anything quite like this before, so this is about 3/4 hours into it by this point , i had a sober person with me who knows how to have a good time and i was getting the giggles and laughing my tits off at stupid things like a pokemon card, the coulers where enhanced in such a at the time '' symbolic '' fashion that i was almost convinced at some points that coulers where the meaning of life haha, my friend left me at 3 in the morning and it was so weird because time was jumping the hours were really jumping and the clock was melting into the shape of the mad hatters hat off alice in wonderland it was asif time was speeding forwards and backwards at the same time, i mean i can;t explain most of that night there were too many details and i was too fucked up , i mean to put it in percpective how fucked up i was the main dealer who was selling them is abig well build lad , hes 32 and has had acid 10 + times, he had 2 of these same tabs and he was being sick all over his car, so you can imagine the places my head was going of 2 of these tabs , bearing in mind i'd also had no food on my stomach for over 45 hours =/, it all had a very mechanical, roboty buzz about it but at the same time there was nice themes to the trip aswell , everything seemed to have a theme, anyway long story short i was awake all night, the trip lasted a full 21 hours ( no joke ) it was the strongest and one of the most interesting things ive ever indulged in, the bad part was i had taken too much way too much for my first time and i'd got myself stuck in this thing called a loop, if you don;t know about the loop do some reaserch, its horrible, in all seriousness i had convinced myself that i had finally taken to much of a drug and gone insane, <- really, i seen and felt things i can;t describe in the time i have to write this , ect ect ect , a few days later a friend of myne got arrested with 3 of these tabs and the police sent them off for analysis , and the test results came back a few days ago , and it was DOB. very pointless story i know but i'm just interested to see what other peoples experience with this chemical is and what kind of tabs u got ?? MUCH LOVE x
 
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