tranceaddict84
Bluelighter
Yeah, as much as I'm anti-prohibition I'm certainly not sad to see the back of meph, especially if it means decent MDMA/pills can make a proper return.
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Mephedrone Megathread VIII: Hnnnng!
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perfect haze
Bluelighter
Prohibition in all its forms is an ugly cunt and although I applaud your optimism for looking for the good from all this I cannot share it, it's a horrible violation of our personal rights and a massive fuck you to the scientific community, the ACMD and the entire population of the country with enough brain cells and personal responsibility to use drugs safely or at least realise its their fault if they fuck up on it.
I wish all those who have self control down pat good luck finding other stims and i wish that all those with less self control be careful when they start paying over the odds for clandestine synths cut with god knows what from the black market.
Fuck alan johnson, fuck him right up his stupid hairy arse
I wish all those who have self control down pat good luck finding other stims and i wish that all those with less self control be careful when they start paying over the odds for clandestine synths cut with god knows what from the black market.
Fuck alan johnson, fuck him right up his stupid hairy arse
I was going to post that in Drug in the Media, but it has links to vendors in it! Good article too.
Inso
Bluelighter
There must be an absolute boatload of the stuff already in the country, it won't go away for a long time after its made illegal, it'll just get progressively more cut...
Be interesting to see if the demand stays once it stops being 5 quid a gram from the internet and people have to get it the same way as all the other illegals.
Be interesting to see if the demand stays once it stops being 5 quid a gram from the internet and people have to get it the same way as all the other illegals.
tranceaddict84
Bluelighter
You speak as if making it illegal will make it go away...![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Do you not? I think the whole meph craze is almost entirely down to it being legal, disgustingly cheap and easily available on the internet. It's a piss-poor drug really and about the only upside to it is its legality.
Once it's banned and obtaining it becomes comparable in risk/price/uncertainty to obtaining MDMA or coke, who in their right mind will bother?
Also, at the top end of the distribution scale, who's going to risk importing it when they could be importing cocaine or MDMA? At the moment I'm guessing meph is being shipped in legally in huge quantities, not smuggled through by the criminal gangs usually responsible for drugs trafficking. Once the legal route is closed, I doubt there will be a sudden influx of illegal importing.
Of course this is all just speculation IMO etc!
Cornishman
Bluelighter
I wonder if the law abiding vendors will be having a massive meph sellout?
Iverson recommended they be banned even tho with another resignation he has no legal right to recomend anything. The man is a quite enormous cunt.
tranceaddict84
Bluelighter
This is totally true of course and I agree with you 100%, but it's somewhat irrelevant as unfortunately I doubt we'll ever see an end to prohibition.
Legalization and regulation would work but only if it was across the board and combined with a program of intensive education, and the population of this country as a whole have proven with meph that they're irresponsible retards who can't be trusted with completely unregulated access to such a potentially dangerous toy. Since the government will almost certainly never legalize or even downgrade MDMA, I think the anti-prohibition argument is a fallacy here.
As unsavoury as the situation is, and as dirty as it makes me feel, I have to believe that from all of our perspectives, banning meph is the next best thing to the complete reform of our drugs laws that we'll unlikely ever see.
perfect haze
Bluelighter
Fucking prohibitionist. wash your mouth out.
to clarify my vitriol,.....you have just told me and no doubt hundreeds of other bluelighters, we deserve to be in prison/fined/given community punishment. and as such, I think that is massively cunty. Think man, think.
to clarify my vitriol,.....you have just told me and no doubt hundreeds of other bluelighters, we deserve to be in prison/fined/given community punishment. and as such, I think that is massively cunty. Think man, think.
I don't think it's as clear-cut or doom-laden as that. The collapse of the ACMD can only be a good thing. In several of the broadsheets today there's articles saying mephedrone shouldn't be made illegal. I think there's cause for a little optimism.
and the population of this country as a whole have proven with meph that they're irresponsible retards who can't be trusted with completely unregulated access to such a potentially dangerous toy.
No, I think that's bollocks. There's hundreds of thousands of people using it and having no problems whatsoever.
perfect haze
Bluelighter
How about legalisation and the enforcement of age restrictions then? Rather than getting the big blue meanies to come knock down our front doors and beat the shit out of us metaphorically and maybe physically to prevent de kids getting their lil mitts on it ~
I'm not convinced 12-15 year olds can afford 1-2g a night. Where does a 12-15 year old get £100 a week to spend on meph?
I think most of those stories might be more down to imagination and wanting to appear dangerous on the internet.
Anyone know when it will actually become illegal to be in possession of the stuff?
Johnson says with cross-party support he can ban it before the election.
Inso
Bluelighter
The only reason they are pushing through with the ban is the election, along with everything else they are trying to sort in the news at the moment. Its so shitty when politics decides policy, but its the way things have been done for a long long time not just with drugs.
tranceaddict84
Bluelighter
Pff, I think you miss my point. I've said twice that I totally agree with you in theory. I'd love nothing more than to see an end to prohibition and live in a country where everyone is free to put whatever they want into their body and alter their conciousness however they see fit. Check out http://www.tdpf.org.uk/ and read the PDF blueprint if you haven't already -- there's a model for legalization, regulation and education I totally agree with.
I'm also seeing it from a realist's perspective though; legalization is not going to happen any time soon and while meph remains legal it's having a massive negative effect on the rest of the scene.
To be honest I think mephedrone is a lot healthier for "da kidz" than the drugs they can usually afford with their pocket money - glue and butane.
And I don't think most teenagers will be trying mephedrone - only a tiny fraction will.
perfect haze
Bluelighter
Alright, I aint having a go at you no more, but your logic is fuzzy and i cant get with it. By that I mean, this isnt a compromise, it's bending over and spreading for them....