Countering LSD/LSA hypothermia?

[The Smoking Man]

The one time I ate some HWBR seeds, I was in a cold building for most of it. Being very skinny on top of that didn't exactly help. Within a few hours, I was turning blue! Not good. I had to lay out in the sun for a good while to "thaw out". I lived through it at least.
I get some hypothermia from LSD as well, though not quite to that extreme extent. It's still discomforting during cooler seasons or in cold rooms.
Are there any kinds of supplements or otherwise one could suggest to counter this?

 

[PepperSocks]

I get cold on most psychedelic come-ups.

With HBWR there is a direct pharmacological reason; LSA and related ergoloids cause vasoconstriction. If vasoconstriction gets bad enough it causes gangrene; such as in ergot poisoning. LSD being active at such a low dose without much peripheral action shouldn't be so bad; is it the whole trip or just the come-up?

I can see it lasting the whole trip with LSA though.

About counteracting; L-Arginine is purported to have vasodilating effects; I was taking it in the winter (I get very cold feet in the winter form bad circulation), I'm not sure if it helped or not; it didn't make a world of difference. Give it a try though.

Another one with purported vasodilating properties is Ginkgo Biloba. Look them up

 

[Eldaren]

Do some star jumps.

Really, exercise helps a lot. I get cold easily, a bit of physical activity usually fixes it right up. What doesn't work is curling up into a ball and thinking about how cold you are.

Unless you're talking LSA for the reasons peppersocks stated, it might not work as effectively. I can't really be sure as I've only taken HBWR during summer months and it is quite warm here during summer whether its morning or night.

 

[diche]

actually high fevers are percieved as being cold. I woulnt be surprised if your percived hypothermia was indeed hyperthermia. Drink lots of water, take some multi vitamins, ect will help.

 

[The Smoking Man]

Do some star jumps.

Really, exercise helps a lot. I get cold easily, a bit of physical activity usually fixes it right up. What doesn't work is curling up into a ball and thinking about how cold you are.

Yeah, exercise does help a lot for a while, but can get more difficult when your depth perception gets all funky and the trees start breathing.

I've heard about ginko biloba, cayenne, etc. improving blood circulation. A multivitamin I take contains niacin which is a vasodilator but that doesn't make any perceptible difference. Maybe the ginko or cayenne will work better. Thanks for the suggestions dudes.

On a side note, is chloride known to destroy LSD? I know chlorine does, but I tried looking it up and couldn't find much info on it, though one thing I saw points to chloride being fine. The aforementioned MV contains chloride so I want to know if I should not take it before dosing.

actually high fevers are percieved as being cold. I woulnt be surprised if your percived hypothermia was indeed hyperthermia. Drink lots of water, take some multi vitamins, ect will help.

I've had a few fevers like that, and I can't say I can relate those experiences to my psychedelic experiences. I don't believe this is hyperthermia.

 

[PepperSocks]

Chloride is an anion; the negative half of something like sodium chloride (simple salt which deosn't destroy LSD) I'm not sure where you'd be getting free chloride ion from.

Are you sure you don't mean Choline?

You can take psychedelics with a multivitamin, none get counteracted or destroyed by them either way.

 

[The Smoking Man]

Chloride is an anion; the negative half of something like sodium chloride (simple salt which deosn't destroy LSD) I'm not sure where you'd be getting free chloride ion from.

Are you sure you don't mean Choline?

Nope, 72mg of chloride.

 

[PepperSocks]

Huh, weird.

Either way it won't destroy the LSD in your stomach. Your stomach contains hydrochloric acid to break down food. If the hydrochloric acid in your stomach doesn't destroy LSD you multivitamin certainly won't.

 

[The Smoking Man]

I get cold on most psychedelic come-ups.

With HBWR there is a direct pharmacological reason; LSA and related ergoloids cause vasoconstriction. If vasoconstriction gets bad enough it causes gangrene; such as in ergot poisoning. LSD being active at such a low dose without much peripheral action shouldn't be so bad; is it the whole trip or just the come-up?

By the way, yes it does last the whole trip. Probably because my body has a thing for retaining coldness. I even shiver on the come up (first ~35 minutes of it) on MDMA before the body temperature increase begins, at which point I'm comfortable, don't even sweat much more than usual or feel like I'm at a point where my body should be sweating; again attesting to how my body likes to be cold (even though I don't). Speaking of, MDMA hits me pretty well in half the time it takes for my friends and most other people to come up to the same level, which says something about how skinny I am, which again says something about why my body gets/stays cold easily... you get the idea.

 

[CatfishRivers]

Here's what has worked for me to counteract the cold feeling that results from vasoconstriction...

1. take an aspirin
2. or yohimbe
3. or raw cocoa 25x

Don't take all of those, just one.

All of those things seem to do a decent job in my experience, although I can't vouch for the safety of doing so. Every substance and person is different so, ymmv.

 

[PepperSocks]

skinny I am, which again says something about why my body gets/stays cold easily... you get the idea.

I wholeheartedly relate. I'm 5'11" and weigh 125 lbs. I get cold easily too. I have terrible circulation, especially to my toes. They're like ice in the winter. It really sucks.

 

[yucatanboy2]

For your safety, don't take yohimbe while tripping unless you are very familiar with its effects.

I recommend exercise (dancing!!) or ginger tea (dont make it while tripping hard so you don't burn yourself, make it just after you dose, and let it cool until you need it). The ginger tea will warm you up and get your circulation going.

Taking ginger supplements/cayenne supplements may also help with circulation, and will help keep you warm while tripping. But still, you need to either be bundled up, or moving around to stay warm.

 

[The Smoking Man]

I wholeheartedly relate. I'm 5'11" and weigh 125 lbs. I get cold easily too. I have terrible circulation, especially to my toes. They're like ice in the winter. It really sucks.

Try 5'11" and 109 lbs. And I can munch all day every day for extended periods of time with negligible weight gain. Unfortunately, exercising also does little for gaining muscle weight. Don't ask me how that works.
My feet and hands are pretty much permafrost in the winter.

 

[PepperSocks]

Wow, that's bordering dangerously underweight. Have you gone to a doctor about it?

You obviously have an extremely fast metabolism. I thought I had an extremely fast metabolism but you definitely beat me. I hope you find a way to get healthy.

 

[The Smoking Man]

Wow, that's bordering dangerously underweight. Have you gone to a doctor about it?

You obviously have an extremely fast metabolism. I thought I had an extremely fast metabolism but you definitely beat me. I hope you find a way to get healthy.

My physician knows about my weight and didn't seem to think it was a significant problem, though if it was a bit more extreme, or if it was from a decline trend, it would be. My weight has been stable in the range of 107-112 lbs for the past few years, and my height:weight ratio has been stable for longer. I can't really seem to have any net/average weight gain or loss, except due to growth (which has pretty much stopped as I'm 19).

 

[Solipsis]

I don't think hypothermia is the problem at all, you get the chills which is - I think - a neurosomatic effect.

It's different from actually being below normal temperature and also something else as MDMA's effect to screw up your body's thermostate. You can get hyperthermia from MDMA and similar compounds not because your body overheats but because it cannot maintain a proper temperature leaving you unregulated when dancing and heating up, for instance. It seems that serotonergic drugs can screw with your perception of hot and cold as well as your body's unvoluntary reaction to it. As far as LSD and LSA go I think it's only the perception and not the regulation.

A friend of mine once lost distinction of hot and cold on 2C-I methylone and nitrous. Nitrous was a catalyst but I think the instigators were the serotonergic drugs.

 

[The Smoking Man]

I don't think hypothermia is the problem at all, you get the chills which is - I think - a neurosomatic effect.

It's different from actually being below normal temperature and also something else as MDMA's effect to screw up your body's thermostate. You can get hyperthermia from MDMA and similar compounds not because your body overheats but because it cannot maintain a proper temperature leaving you unregulated when dancing and heating up, for instance. It seems that serotonergic drugs can screw with your perception of hot and cold as well as your body's unvoluntary reaction to it. As far as LSD and LSA go I think it's only the perception and not the regulation.

A friend of mine once lost distinction of hot and cold on 2C-I methylone and nitrous. Nitrous was a catalyst but I think the instigators were the serotonergic drugs.

In my case, a lot of serotonin activity seems to have a slightly "narcotic"-esque effect of feeling warm and even making minor pains less noticeable. With LSx, actual/effective hypothermia is still occurring, though, otherwise things like what happened during my LSA trip wouldn't have happened - I wasn't just shivering or getting goose bumps, I was turning an unhealthy color. What was more scary was that I didn't feel like I was any colder than I normally would at that environmental temperature (I was pretty much just very numb); who knows what could've happened if I went the whole trip without noticing? The coldness was apparent with LSD until the second half of the trip at which point I felt numb, though people said I felt cold to the touch.

 

[tBirdee]

I get cold easily too. I have terrible circulation, especially to my toes. They're like ice in the winter. It really sucks.

I dread winter for mostly this reason.

 

[Ramirez]

My two tripping-out friends had to turn the heat way on and get under three blankets when they were tripping, but I usually get too hot too easily so I guess I have a reverse problem...perhaps a feeling of hyerthermia.