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Also when discussing the carcinogenic properties of synthetic cannabinoids how do those compare with those of smoking normal marijuana, are they much worse or similar??

Unknown, but potentially worse. Cannabis actives and metabolites have received some mention regards the incidence of certain cancers in marijuana users, and some natural cannabinoids even have anti-tumor properties. This was the drive behind the developments of some of the synthetics.

With some synthetics containing the naphthalene moiety, the potential is for formation of a ring epoxide metabolite. These compounds are often carcinogenic. I believe there are studies underway atm, but until results are known, we can't say with any certainty how carcinogenic, or even if these substances are metabolised in this fashion, but my bet is they probably are.
 
Well, this is interesting! Just had a pipe (around 40mg) of atomic death haze...never before have i come up so quick from weed and with such a woosh! Feels slightly similar to being stoned but ALOT more artificial and unatural. Feeling it pretty strong but keep in mind at present I have zero weed tolerance, (used to smoke daily for around 5 years, stopped altogether about 1.5 years ago). I've had about 8 beers, last one an hour ago, didn't feel that intoxicated before but now feel wasted!

Head feels quite cloudy, keep staring at the screen without typing and feel very heavy! Wouldn't say it's the best fun or affecting my thoughts in an interesting way like THC would but it's definitely active.
 
interesting to hear, may consider getting some, idk though its kind of expensive even compared to buying small amounts of weed without straying too far into pricing. Especially if it isnt as good as the real thing :P

Also whats the the go with the legality of cannabinoids in aus, would it be illegal due to being similar to THC?

sorry if this doesn't make too much sense struggling a bit here it was st pats day today....
 
I received my Atomic Haze Death Strength today. I tried 40-50mg first and got a very mild buzz. A few hours later I tried 70-80mg, and got a much more noticeable buzz that did feel quite a bit like weed, but certainly not the same. Real weed is definitely much better but I think this isn't a terrible substitute. The shorter duration isn't that great either. I am going to experiment with higher dosages 100-150mg and see if that produces more marijuana-like effects. I will report back on how it goes when I decide too.

If you can get your hands on real weed it is better bang for your buck. This may be worth a try even if you can but i'd say only bother if there is a real drought.

I'd like to see a list of psychoactive synthetic cannabinoids if anyone had one, particularly one that would include length of effects. I am definitely in agreement that I think this contains a synthetic cannabinoid rather than whatever bs nuclear reactor story was trying to sell.

EDIT: See my post on the next page, I tried 100-110mg and it was significantly better.
 
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I just saw this and found a couple of points interesting. I'm not sure if this is the best thread for it though?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...told-of-explosion-in-legal-highs-1924796.html

Of note:

The Government has failed to act quickly enough against the dangers of "legal highs", with mephedrone just one of hundreds of potentially dangerous substances sweeping across Europe, scientists said yesterday.

More than 400 new drugs have been identified in a report commissioned by the EU into the scale of the problem. The danger posed by legal synthesised drugs is far greater than people realise, according to Professor Fabrizio Schifano of the school of pharmacy, University of Hertfordshire.

The academic, who led the two-year Psychonaut study, said: "We have identified 415 psychoactive compounds, or combination of compounds which are not known in the medical literature, which means that the phenomenon is not just a little bit of mephedrone here or there."
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Professor David Nutt, a former chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), said the Government had "missed a trick" in failing to heed the warnings it made five years ago: "The Government's own Foresight committee contracted me and a few other people to look at the future of drugs back in 2004.

"We produced a report in 2005 and said the big problem is going to be the internet supply of synthetic drugs – we've got to do something about it. That was a very clear message from the report."

He claimed that officials ignored the ACMD's subsequent advice that a new category be created to cater for the new legal highs: "We did give this clear advice to at least be ready with a holding category, because, whatever you do to mephedrone, there will be a whole new slew of compounds.

"Believe me, the ACMD did try to get the Government to take this question seriously. We saw it coming, we predicted it, and it has arrived."

It is virtually impossible to police the problem, which could run into thousands of compounds, argued Professor Nutt. "The crime and justice side of things could get completely out of control. The police could spend their whole lives just arresting teenagers with mephedrone in their pockets."

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I feel sorry for Prof Nutt. He was the guy fired last year for the report claiming substances like MDMA and LSD were less dangerous/damaging to society than alcohol & tobacco. ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked ). I'd be intersted to see the full report by Professor Fabrizio Schifano....
 
I posted a couple of days ago about Atomic Haze Death Strength, concluding that it probably wasn't worth it unless there was a drought. I tried a higher dose (100-110mg) and I was quite pleased with the effects. I dont know if I had some tolerance when I tried the 70-80mg lot, but the 100-110mg felt like it produced significantly stronger effects. A couple of friends who also tried it agreed that it was quite good, and even preferred it due to the shorter duration of action leading to less/no 'weed hangover' the next day. I'd definitely reccommend it.
 
Kratom.. khat.... i think may still be legal.. or be able to find...
i would try krartom some time if its like an opiate buzz.

extracted from Erowid

Australia #
Both Mitragynine, one of the active chemicals in Kratom, and M. speciosa the plant were placed in Schedule 9 of the Australian SUSDP. (STANDARD FOR THE UNIFORM SCHEDULING OF DRUGS & POISONS)

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As is often the case with Australian law, the status of khat is rather murky. Khat does not appear to be federally regulated in Australia, but its active compounds cathine and cathinone are. This may mean that the plant itself is not illegal unless it is harvested or consumed (unconfirmed). Import of khat is regulated and requires a permit. Import law allows "up to 5kg of khat per month per individual for personal use" under certain conditions and with the correct permits, but this would not supersede state prohibitions on khat if they exist.
 
^The problem with importing khat is that it is supposed to be consumed fresh. This is why it is not a problem to have people consuming the dried plant matter.

I have tried the dried leaves, and frankly it is a waste of time. Reminded me of a cup of coffee.

From Wiki:
Cathinone is not very stable and breaks down to produce cathine and norephedrine.

When qat leaves dry, the more potent chemical, cathinone, decomposes within 48 hours leaving behind the milder chemical, cathine. Thus, harvesters transport qat by packaging the leaves and stems in plastic bags or wrapping them in banana leaves to preserve their moisture and keep the cathinone potent. It is also common for them to sprinkle the plant with water frequently or use refrigeration during transportation.
 
The site which sells Atomic Haze Death Strength says it is back in stock and that it has been reformulated:
Atomic Haze Death Strength said:
New version, stronger, smoother, less side effects. No more headaches when using it regularly. Plenty of stock, fresh, clean and 100% new.

I am interested to hear if anyone has tried this new version, particularly if you tried the old version too (which was good). I will probably have tried some within the next couple of weeks and will report back when I do, but I am just a tad skeptical of them making a new version of their best selling product.
 
I don't believe neons are your average garden variety legal high. To give you some idea of the the intensity, you can act relatively normal on them (save a smile) but i wouldn't dare drive.

everyone is different but for me they do take a while to kick in. Takes around 2-3 hours (empty stomach only slightly quicker) to feel full effect which continue for around 4 hours.

one
rushes of euphoria, a warm glow
subtle visual abnormalities,
energy increase

two
buzzing and energy
quite distinct visuals. you wont be tripping at all but they are undeniable
physical touch sensations similar to weed
eye wobbles

As the person who sold me them says "horses for courses", everyones different but for me neons are enjoyable. I am only 65-70kg and have never mixed them with the alcohols; i suggest you start with one and see how you feel.

i do hesitate in using though due to the fact i have no idea whats in them. if anyone knows i would love to know

Myself and belarki tried these last night. We only had one cap each, but I was surprised on how strong they are. Came on in about an hour, unsure of when the peak actually set in as we had imbibed in other substances.

I think these would be great if you wanted a night out, but not get too messy.

I'll definitely be getting more of these and would quite happily go out for a dance on these alone. Going to double them next time and will report the effects.

May be trying atomic haze in the next week or so.
 
i heart kratom

I found Kratom was a lot of fun while in Holland. I think the pharma are missing a potential drug here as I believe it felt like its painkilling qualities was higher then that of Codeine yet it produced a stimulating effect. We used the extract and used a high dose where it felt like a mixture of stronger Codeine and 5mg d-Amphetamine although with probably less opiate like euphoria then Codeine.

At lower doses there could be a painkiller stronger then Codeine, with less euphoria and a coffee like effect which id say could be somewhat of a winner (for pharms).

That's just my opinion of this however. I wish I could find it here in Aus although iv my resevations on is addiction potentional.
 
I tried Atomic Haze Death Strength and man it was easily comparable to weed, if you want a legal alternative this is defiantly it.
 
I tried Atomic Haze Death Strength and man it was easily comparable to weed, if you want a legal alternative this is defiantly it.

As an all day smoker I found it very disappointing and wouldn't bother buying it again. It was the same as all the other synthetic smoking blends. Some very cheap and nasty outdoor will do the job just the same at a much lower price.

Also making completely ridiculous claims like these doesn't instill much faith in the seller:

Note that 1 gram is enough to get...

20 people high for 30 minutes
10 people mega high for 2 hours!
5 people smashed for 4-6 hours
OR
Smoke it by yourself and you wont come down for 2 days!

No wonder they had to move their site and change their item descriptions.
 
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