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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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Similarly we always reccommend that products found on our site (including mephedrone and methylone) are not designed to be used on plant products intended for human consumption.
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:? lol
 
Germo..

Stop taking drugs! Get some sleep.. eat some food (decent food)..

No wait.. You should have called the ambulance..

How are you?
 
anyone on an SSRI tried methylone?
I'd guess being on ssri treatment would be less of any issue than it is with mdma, but not sure if thats true in the real world. any input ?
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To me it feels like M1 raises serotonin levels a very sizable amount, really wouldn't fancy taking it whilst on an SSRI.
 
kayenta said:
I'm amazed at the variety of different opinions about methylone. It's one of my all-time favourite drugs. I find it every bit as good as MDMA - deeply empathogenic and incredibly euphoric, just in a more relaxed, introspective, less in-your-face kind of way than MDMA. In fact I might even go so far as to say that I prefer it to MDMA since the comedowns are consistently easier and it seems gentler on the body and mind.

Yet the posters above me, and plenty of other people, say they haven't found any recreational value in it at all. I wonder what it is that causes such idiosyncratic responses. After all, it's been my experience that literally everyone who tries MDMA loves it. Methylone however seems to polarise people's opinions completely. Weird, huh?
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This really interests me. Have been toying with the idea of trying methylone for some time, but there are such contradictory reports everywhere, i don't know what to think!
 
heloo evrybody! i'm taking a litle bit of methylone evry morning. it's the only thing that will get me up. i suffer from severe depression and anxiety. i can't drink coffee. but surprisingly, the methylon,meph-bute, etc... relax me. i'm going for tms therapy next week. because i cannot, absolutely cannot get up in the morning because i'm so sick. and i need evry bit of help to get there. ovbiously, i am well aware of it's addictive potential but i've got to get treatment or i die. i also have benzo tolerance and drink lots of kratom to stay alive and the meth has helped a lot. i don't redose-even though i want to-and i don't want to get hooked. in my current state, i have to be very careful not to become a full blown addict-on anything. i've managed to taper down a bit on the benzo's and kratom.anyways, iss there any studies on the effects of long term use. is it pretty safe? IMPORTANT: can someone give me an opinion on the use of low deprenyl/seligline on the comedown-mild right now, could it replenish depleted dopamine or could it make it worse? PLEASE HELP!
 
txern41 said:
anyways, iss there any studies on the effects of long term use. is it pretty safe? IMPORTANT: can someone give me an opinion on the use of low deprenyl/seligline on the comedown-mild right now, could it replenish depleted dopamine or could it make it worse? PLEASE HELP!
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no, there aren't any studies.
daily use is not at all pretty safe! it's likely that methylone like mdma and fenfluoramine is a 5-HT2B agonist. these drugs cause cardiac valve fibrosis when taken daily.
i have no idea what tms is, but if you need to continue methylone to be able go to therapy that's next week (and only next week) then why stop now if you can stop in a week. but by all means stop as soon as possible; don't take methylone regularly!

why not take plain amphetamine instead of methylone? there's a lot of information about amp and it's much safer for regular use.

your best option would still be to go to a psychotherapist and a psychiatrist. recreational drugs can at best be a very short term "solution".

seligiline mimics dopamine, but does not replenish it; it can momentarily relieve symptoms, but iirc you'd get receptor downregulation in the long term thusly increasing tolerance and not being of any help. and a metabolite of selegiline is amphetamine, which depletes dopamine, so it could make it worse.
 
thank you! well. i noticed the new batch was very poor quality-dirty,speedy,anxiety,etc... anyways, the one i received before, which is more clean and alot more euphoria and not a harsh comedown. i guess there's a wide variety of quality. on this batch, bp definitely way up and then after a ultralight cig 190/150 pulse 140. even the cleanest methylone can cause heart problems? i noticed in the past that the cheap powdery stuff would really raise my bp but i guess it don't matter-a stimulant is a stimulant and any? would be dangerous over thelong term. when you say amp, do you mean like dexedrine,concerta,etc...otherwise (PM me)? how can you tell the quality of methylone-by its texture or you have to test it but there has to be a way to tell if it's good or not.either way, i'm going to lay off for the meantime. thank you for your kind response. i eagerly await your reply asap. sincerely, ernie
 
This stuff sounds soo sketchy. From reading the posts here it sounds like it is more addicting than classic stimulants like coke or meth and more toxic and harmful to your body.

Stimulants aren't really my thing anyway but these new RC stims just seem so dirty. No offense to those who use it that is just what I've observed/heard from members.
 
Sorry, I may have been confusing the two or just lumping them all together unfairly. I have tried neither actually so I can't say from first hand experience how good any of them are. Methylone does sound the cleanest and mephedrone being the sketchiest.

I was actually mostly just posting in response to Germo's horror story above of IVing M1 and B1 (Methylone and Butylone I believe?) for a few days straight. There seems to be a lot of these types of stories floating around regarding all the new RC stims.

Practically every post I read is saying how damn "moreish" they are and all the weird side effects they can have.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
This stuff sounds soo sketchy. From reading the posts here it sounds like it is more addicting than classic stimulants like coke or meth and more toxic and harmful to your body.

Stimulants aren't really my thing anyway but these new RC stims just seem so dirty. No offense to those who use it that is just what I've observed/heard from members.
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Not at all. Methylone is undoubtedly less harmful than MDMA and no more addictive, certainly nowhere near the level of coke or meth. I wouldn't even call it a stimulant - it keeps you awake but there is no physical stimulation to speak of except gurning.

Mephedrone is sketchy as hell, yes, but methylone isn't. They're really not at all comparable anyway.
 
You'd have to be a pretty strange cat to go more than a day on either substance. Methylone, especially, probably would not give you much more than a tiny stimulant boost after a day, as well as an achy heart. Although I haven't tried IV.

Methylone is "moreish" but not really fiendy. Mephedrone brings out the crackhead inside me without fail.
 
txern41 said:
thank you! well. i noticed the new batch was very poor quality-dirty,speedy,anxiety,etc... anyways, the one i received before, which is more clean and alot more euphoria and not a harsh comedown. i guess there's a wide variety of quality. on this batch, bp definitely way up and then after a ultralight cig 190/150 pulse 140. even the cleanest methylone can cause heart problems? i noticed in the past that the cheap powdery stuff would really raise my bp but i guess it don't matter-a stimulant is a stimulant and any? would be dangerous over thelong term. when you say amp, do you mean like dexedrine,concerta,etc...otherwise (PM me)? how can you tell the quality of methylone-by its texture or you have to test it but there has to be a way to tell if it's good or not.either way, i'm going to lay off for the meantime. thank you for your kind response. i eagerly await your reply asap. sincerely, ernie
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when i say amp i mean amphetamine (brand names in the us: adderall, dexedrine). concerta is methylphenidate, which also could be of help here.
you can only really tell the quality of your methylone by lab testing. different methods of synthesis / cleanup or very small quantities of impurities can have a profound impact on the texture, smell or colour of the product.

bp and pulse responses seem to vary a lot from person to person. personally i get no elevated pulse during the experience (with a dose of around 200mg; i use it for parties), but around 180bpm when going for a walk on the comedown. :\
i haven't measured blood pressure yet.
but generally even clean methylone will increase bp and pulse. from looking at the structure i would expect it to be worse in that respect than mdma or amphtamine.

i'm glad i could help.
 
thanks, black, but what about eyeballing the quality? are you saying it's impossible to discern any kind of quality by eyeballing? what about by subjective experience? obviously, if it feels cleaner, more euphoria, less anxiety,cleaner comedown, then it must be high quality. anyways, what's your take on meph? isn't it supposed to be like an inferior version of meth? hence the lower price? either way i'm going to stay away from it. what about bute and mdpv. you seem to be very knowledgeable on these things. please help! sincerely, ernie
 
By definition you can't really check the quality just by looking at it but at the same time there are probably 'indications' to go by. The color and smell can mean something but absence of either does not warrant a good product or anything...

I agree that methylone is much less moreish or fiendy than mephedrone but I still think it's something to watch out for since it is so damn perfect. Redosing feels less compulsive to me but I do it a couple of times at least the last few times... :\

Kayenta where do you come off proclaiming methylone to undoubtfully being less harmful than MDMA?

It seems to be less neurotoxic - I agree - but like other (meth)cathinones it also seems to be at least similarly or more harmful to the cardiovascular system and possibly liver and kidneys. It didn't use to but at more sensitive times I can feel the load on my blood vessels and stuff on it / coming off it.
Be carefull with assumptions please.
 
swilow said:
Question- do ssri meds block methylone effects?
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it's mostly a dopamine agonist with weaker NOR and even less, if any, serotonin. it's medical fact but my experiences confirm it. i can;t take coffee, tried nuvigil, wellbutrin-they act mostly on NOR receptors because i would get massive panic attacks. but methylone relaxes me and calms me down better than xanax. of course if 1 is good 2 is better. so you have to be careful cuz it's a good high. euphoria like coke but much cleaner. much less speedier. mild comedown on low doses but slightly more with larger doses. any stimulant is going to have a comedown, it's just a matter of degree and dosage. i can even eat on this stuff! AND SMOKE!
 
MattPsy said:
Methylone will result in less serotonin depletion than MDMA because it doesn't *release* as much 5-HT as MDMA does (because that ketone group decreases it's affinity for VMAT2 10-fold less AFAIK). It inhibits it's reuptake pretty much just as well as MDMA does thou so it still feels good despite this, just not as shatteringly powerful as MDMA can be, it's like a chilled out MDMA haha.
It will also result in less neurotoxicity because of the above, because there will be less uptake of DA by SERT because there won't be such a deficit of 5-HT, which means less lipid peroxidation (the whole "bleach" in your brain concept).

Anyway the result of all this means you can probably get away with using more Methylone than you can MDMA, but don't justify using heaps of it because of this! The MDxx's are really a poster-child for th less is more concept. They are better as a occasional thing, keep the magic alive! :)
I suggest at least month breaks between uses, preferably 1 and a half, and use antioxidants and 5-HTP before and after.
(hope that made sense, i'm pretty damn high on poppy seed tea, lol :D)
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read the article on wikipedia-there is indirect evidence that it affects serotonin. if it does, then it's very weak.
 
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