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Heroin/Meth Users, I have a Question for You

even though meth and heroin wont force you into things, they do have the ability to sway the choices you make. i know that after 3-4 beers that a gram of blow/k/mdma/some acid always seems like the right idea to me, and i havnt even tried meth or heroin, but i know i would love them, and that they would help my impulsive personality at doing alot of them.

im kinda drunk so im not sure if you will catch my drift, but im just trying to say to the op that its probably not worth it, you have alot to live for no matter who you are. pursue your life and you might forget about wanting to get high :)
 
leftwing said:
what an asshat thing to say
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No shit, seeing as how it was an NIDA study...

There's a middle ground to take between those who pull scare tactics and people who are rather flippant toward meth/heroin use (I'm bunching the two together for the sake of simplicity). As I said before, the silent majority of people who try any given drug come out fine. The fact the OP is asking these questions is even more of a positive sign.

That being said, the question is whether or not said drugs are worth it. MDMA, LSD, most psychedelics, yes, I can see how taking those drugs can be beneficial on the long-run, but can anyone really list a good reason for anyone to try meth or heroin? Has someone had a mind-blowing, profound experience on either of them that they couldn't have gotten any other way? In my experience, heroin and meth use is pure hedonism. The only good to come out of it is a couple fun hours, and perhaps a satisfied curiosity. Granted, some recovered addicts might say that their painful experiences provided some insight in retrospect (*raises hand*), but that only comes at the expense of everything they sacrificed through drug abuse, and it's not as if anyone in their right mind would recommend that someone become an addict anyway.
 
kokaino said:
meth will destroy u, deteriorate your body and mind, it will turn u into a pathological liar, will make u do heinous things to ppl, it will make u lose sense of morality, it will ruin your teeth, cause brain damage, will make u totally shameless, age u exponentially, and then kill u very quickly.
basically, meth will chew u up and spit u out.

Heroin is a lot more merciful.
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Oh geez... here we go with the massive exaggerations. The kinda things prohibitionists like to spread. I agree that meth is a nasty drug (it's fucked me up big time), but come on. I can't recall doing heinous things to people. But I guess that depends on your definition of "heinous." :p

By the way, heroin is a nasty drug too. Just as nasty, and usually a lot more dirtier.
 
Its wierd. Knowing what addiction is like, but never being addicted to something. Ive felt addiction/withdrawels from doing lowdose opiates for a week or so on end.. i know what its like to basically have all time as a blur up until you finally get that drug in your hand and then you know 'everythings gonna be alright now'... i can fully picture what fully withdrawl syndrome etc is like. Even though im young, dont have any drug problems, just smoke weed and do psych's occasionally, i would STILL try heroin, given the chance. I know its stupid, but.. id love to just try it. I dont think i would become addicted.. i started cigarettes just to prove how good my self will is to a friend who couldnt quit. I smoked everyday, 2-10+ cigs, over 3 or so months, maybe longer. I decided 'ok im addicted enough now' when i reailsed i was getting cravings and 'fixes' from the cigarettes. I stopped cold turkey, with a pack of cigs in my room to look at every day, with no problems what so ever. Still havnt smoked a cig to this day.

I just.. would love to feel that 'rush' of euphoria over my body, i hate seeing movies or people talking about H and not knowing what 'that experience' feels like when they talk about slamming it. I must slam H before i die, to me its on my to-do list, along with skydiving and getting rich.

Oh and meth? Na, no fucking way. Wouldnt touch it. I could easily get it, but na fuck that. I only do drugs that dont permanently impair me.. heroin to me seems like it would be fine to do on occasion(hence why its used/was used in medicine) but meth.. na that shit seems to pretty much brain damage anyone who touches it.

(this post is based aroud access to medical grade/pure heroin/meth. I wouldnt touch heroin if it was not most definitely pure. I wont touch meth no matter how pure)
 
sleeping pains said:
here's a study showing what happens to people who try heroin. it followed users over 3 decades and showed what happened to them and where they ended up. literally 60% of them had "disappeared" after 33 years, and 50% were confirmed dead... 8o

http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol16N4/33year.html

enjoy your future, OP.
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lol that is no study on people who try heroin. it's based around addicts from correctional-based services. in other words addicts who were forced into a treatment that they decided to do a sample study on.

here's what one of the dr's behind the study had to say about it
Dr. Hser adds that the results of the 33-year followup study should be considered in light of the fact that all members of the study originally were selected from a corrections-based treatment program and may not be representative of addicts who would have voluntarily sought treatment in community-based facilities had those programs been available 30 years ago.
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did you even bother to read the actual study or you just saw the results and went with them?:\

we don't even know the age of the patients when they were first studied; it was started back in the 60's, patients could very well have already been in there 40's and onwards which by the 1990's would have been a decent innings of life. they linked 21% percent of those deceased by 1996, with heroin use (OD's) and the rest were liver suicide/homicide/accident, disease, cancer and cardiovascular problems without any link to heroin use.

that study shows relapse is a very real possiblity in addicts.
 
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The high from H is really not that much greater than lets say E. What I would watch out for is your state of mind. Whether you are trying this drug as an addition to your already fine life or if you're having some problems and possibly looking for an escape. I think this is true for both drugs. Heroin is a pretty mild high when snorted and you can easily go about your day while high on it, work do school, just that your depression or anxiety will be lifted. This is where is can be used as an escape. I tried it a few times during several years when my life was going fine and never had a problem, then when I had a huge problem that needed to be fixed I met a connect and got addicted really fast. Instead of fixing things I chose escape. As long as you don't use H as an escape from some problems you are facing, you should be fine. Same with E, some people can really go crazy with it trying to escape their problems. But H is a much more subtle high and you just have to be much more careful with it if you choose to use it. To me its not much different than other opiate highs. Hydrocodone produced a similar high in me. I'd say be careful with all opiates, H being most addicting, but they can all cause addictions that people have a hard time getting out of. The beginning of your use is key, like why you are using, how often, how much...control, moderation and not using it as an escape ever.
 
I tried them a few months back and never got addicted .....

However a few of my friends have . One of my friends now is a huge oxy/heroin head. He is a mess now. The main thing about opiates is addiction.

Also think about the brain damage that meth can do. It's crazy .


If you MUST try an upper why not try d-amp . It's usually clean and uncut if you getting it in from
someone who has a presciption . And it's not as bad as meth. And from your first time you can recover quite fast.


Don't do meth or heroin . And also don't go straight into them . They are one of the most powerful uppers and downers out there. You can't go straight onto them with no tolerance . Try some softer uppers and downers if you reeallyyy want to
 
What about crack? Crack sounds alot softer compared to Meth

As for me, i'm a DMT/LSD lover. they will always be my bright star
 
Sweet P said:
Oh geez... here we go with the massive exaggerations. The kinda things prohibitionists like to spread. I agree that meth is a nasty drug (it's fucked me up big time), but come on. I can't recall doing heinous things to people. But I guess that depends on your definition of "heinous." :p

By the way, heroin is a nasty drug too. Just as nasty, and usually a lot more dirtier.
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I think that saying heroin is just as nasty as meth is far closer to what prohibitionists like to spread.

Heroin and opiates in general have been systematically demonized by the government, when in reality they are completly harmless if used properly.

Meth (I'm also a former user) damages the mind and body very strongly. Heroin causes no damage. Sure it can fuck your life up, but saying it's as bad as meth is completly false. Heroin causes no brain damage or damage to the body. Not true of meth.

If you can stay responsible heroin is fine. Don't shoot it if you care about addiction. If possible administer ultra low dose naloxone with the smack to keep tolerance down. But ultimatly even being a hardcore heroin addict won't cause any physical damage (including brain damage of course).
 
Do You Think It's Worth It?

Hi, I might get a lot of shit for this post, but at this point I just don't care. I'm a newly turned 16 year old girl, and I have watched drug use in my family for about 5 years. I am not an addict, and nor will i ever become one, due to the nasty affects it's had, and that I have seen, on my family. Weed isn't even an option for me. I have watched my brother's sit there and ruined every chance of life they will ever have because of Heroine. My oldest brother, if you can even call him a brother anymore, is so disgusting to me. I've seen him cheat, steal, lie, and con his way through his life. He can't keep a steady job, and has been to jail mulitple times for the same thing. Finally he has decided to become clean. But the lieing and the conning is never going to change. He still tries to cheat his way through life, because that's all he knows. I have watched my mom have break downs, and have to deal with so much stress because of him. He has caused so much strain on my family's relationship. My mom would do anything for him, that's her first baby, if it ment that he would try and get clean, where as my dad wanted to cut ties with him forever. My mom couldn't let him go. Our family was there through his battle to get clean. But as i said before, the conning the lieing never changes. It hurts me to say, I do not have a realationship with my brother anymore. Not after i decided to stand up, and give him my form of opinion on who he is, and he said hurtful things back, even though he is clean. I've watched him teach my other brother the ways of drug use. I've watched him turn my 21 brother into a full blown addict. His drug of choice, heroine. I'm just greatfull that my 21 year old brother is now in jail, clean, and will come out of jail clean, and will hopefully stay that way. But again, our relationship is strained because of one word. HEROINE. Heroine has caused my family so much, pain, stress, fights, everything. It affects more than the addict itself. My littlest brother has no role model. He cannot look up to his bigger brothers. What's he supposed to grow up to be? A loser? No. So i have to be his role model. A big thing for a 16 year old to do.

So you decide. Is trying to get a stronger high, worth losing and hurting your family, and fucking up your own life?
 
psychomimetic said:
I think that saying heroin is just as nasty as meth is far closer to what prohibitionists like to spread.

Heroin and opiates in general have been systematically demonized by the government, when in reality they are completly harmless if used properly.

Meth (I'm also a former user) damages the mind and body very strongly. Heroin causes no damage. Sure it can fuck your life up, but saying it's as bad as meth is completly false. Heroin causes no brain damage or damage to the body. Not true of meth.

If you can stay responsible heroin is fine. Don't shoot it if you care about addiction. If possible administer ultra low dose naloxone with the smack to keep tolerance down. But ultimatly even being a hardcore heroin addict won't cause any physical damage (including brain damage of course).
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I've known more people who've died from heroin overdoses than meth overdoses... how does that make heroin safer than meth? Responsible use goes straight out the window when someone becomes an addict, and both substances are highly addictive. Also, in my country at least, heroin is usually cut (adulterated) much more than meth. Who knows what you're putting into your veins?
 
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Rollingirl - don't try either even one time. I wish i had someone like myself who has been on heroin on and off for the past 7 years, tell me not to do the drug before i took my first dose. It is very very highly addictive and will lead you nowhere good. The feeling, scratch that....the ARTIFICIAL high it produces is not worth all of the consequences that follow in almost 90% of the people who use heroin. Jails, institutions, death. Does that sound appealing to you at all in exchange for a couple nights worth of falling in and out of consciousness, scratching your snatch/balls uncontrollably? Best part is, once you're hooked on dope for awhile, you don't even get high anymore. You start using it just to function in your daily life. I don't know you personally but i'm going by facts and statistics and personal opinion (all of which are very valuable in helping you decide whether or not to pick up heroin). I was a popular jock w/good grades that got into a great college and had a scholarship there til i started dabbling w/pain pills/oxys. Prices of oxys went up and heroin was around. Simple as that. Wish i knew enough about it and had someone to intervene in my life and put me in my place before i got to driving down to the hood to grab them first bags of dope. I've been clean for long amounts of time also, but all in all, when you weigh it all out, it obviously is NOT worth using dope. You'd have to be a dope, to use dope. And for all these people that are telling her it's okay and some people don't become addicted - yeah that is true, but put out the facts for her too. That applies to about 1 or 2 out of every 75 people that try dope. So unless you're willing to bet your life and your future on finding out if you're one of those 1 or 2 people, i suggest you find a new hobby or another drug.
 
Sweet P said:
I've known more people who've died from heroin overdoses than meth overdoses... how does that make heroin safer than meth? Responsible use goes straight out the window when someone becomes an addict, and both substances are highly addictive. Also, in my country at least, heroin is usually cut (adulterated) much more than meth. Why know's what you're putting into your veins?
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I live in the US, so we might be in the same country. Heroin is cut as shit, for sure, but that's not really my point, and you often times don't know what's in your meth anymore then you know what's in your heroin (although heroin does admittedly have a higher tendency to be cut since meth is usually in large shards instead of powder).

I've known plenty of adicts who I considered responsible users. People who managed their use, kept their life functioning perfectly well, were happy and knew when to stop. Addiction (coming from an addict's perspective) does harm the ability to use responsibly, but it doesn't destroy it. Also becoming a junkie isn't neccesarily part of using heroin.

My point is that heroin causes no organic damage. Meth will fuck you up. If you are a heavy user or even a weekend warrior with meth it will take its toll after years. When I used meth I used about once per month (for a week straight usually) for about 8 months, and it took a very noticable toll on me. Heroin won't do that. Heroin won't give you pancreatic cancer, it won't harm your dopamine levels, in short it won't cause damage to your mind or body. So I don't think that heroin should be portrayed as "just as nasty" as meth, because that's very clearly not true.

Also the post you were responding to made some decent points in a not so eloquent fashion (and it also said some stuff that's unfounded bullshit). Meth does cause brain damage and a lot of physical problems to boot, although the physical problems generally surface in the long term instead of short. Heroin is a lot more merciful, once you quit heroin you don't have to worry about the problems that use gave you, you don't have to be concerned with terrible depression and mental problems, you don't have to worry about how your body has deteriorated in 2 years as much as it should have in 20.

Also how is that guy's post the kind of stuff prohibitionists spread? I've never heard a prohibitionist recomend heroin over meth, and a lot of the concerns he put forth are realistic ones to expect due to meth. If you have to choose between the two, choose heroin, because they aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of nastyness if that's a word.
 
Well this has all been very interesting. So far, it seems most people are advising against trying either drug. There are a few things that have been said that I will have to completely disagree with. Heroin can cause brain damage. Maybe not as much as meth, but it does. Knowing heroin users that appear to function just fine is a joke. They're maintaining their addiction, that's all. They're addicts, and whether you like the word or not, they're junkies. Believe me, saying my sons were junkies was the hardest thing to come out of my mouth, but it's the truth. Your friends appear to be just fine, but they're not telling you what they really feel. They're not telling you that every morning/evening they wake up, the very first thing they think about is either using the stash they already scored, or trying to figure out how they'll get it. My kids told me they both got sick of chasing the high, stressing out about how the fuck they'd get money this time. The one in prison wonders what kind of home he could live in or what kinda of car he could have with all the money he threw away on dope. I hope the OP and others take my advice. I'd hate to hear about anyone else having to go through what we have. Hell, I'll be your "ma" too! Email me anytime. I'm a great listener.
 
OP arnt you the person who wrote the "50 reasons mephadrone is amazing" or something along those lines? if so i would say dont ever try meth.

i was addicted to heroin for several years and it fucked me up pretty good. and it certainly started slowly for me. the only advantage to getting hooked on heroin is there is methadone and suboxone to help and it sure saved me (i say advantage tongue-in-cheek)

in my opinion, dont try either, but certainly dont try meth.
 
Aok said:
Well this has all been very interesting. So far, it seems most people are advising against trying either drug. There are a few things that have been said that I will have to completely disagree with. Heroin can cause brain damage. Maybe not as much as meth, but it does. Knowing heroin users that appear to function just fine is a joke. They're maintaining their addiction, that's all. They're addicts, and whether you like the word or not, they're junkies. Believe me, saying my sons were junkies was the hardest thing to come out of my mouth, but it's the truth. Your friends appear to be just fine, but they're not telling you what they really feel. They're not telling you that every morning/evening they wake up, the very first thing they think about is either using the stash they already scored, or trying to figure out how they'll get it. My kids told me they both got sick of chasing the high, stressing out about how the fuck they'd get money this time. The one in prison wonders what kind of home he could live in or what kinda of car he could have with all the money he threw away on dope. I hope the OP and others take my advice. I'd hate to hear about anyone else having to go through what we have. Hell, I'll be your "ma" too! Email me anytime. I'm a great listener.
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Point me towards a single scientific study that demonstrates that opiates cause brain damage.

I'm an opiate user myself. I've done extensive research on them. I live a fine life. Most of my friends are opiate users, and all of them are functional humans who are unharmed by their use.

The only way heroin could cause brain damage would be if you overdosed and became oxygen deprived. And that's fairly easy to avoid. Obviously heroin isn't 100% safe, but it's infinitly safer then meth, and it can be used in a safe and responsible manner.

The only thing that makes heroin use dangerous is prohibition. If drug laws were repealed then heroin would be an extremly safe substance to use. I'm sure you know many people who take opiates, things like hydrocodone or oxycontin or codeine and are completly functional people. In terms of danger, I'd say alcohol poses a greater threat to your health than opiates.
 
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