What do you see???

[VerbalTruist]

SWIM... Oh man. You should fix your post and then talk to us.

 

[TheAppleCore]

If you ask me, a hallucination is every bit as real as consensus reality-- its merely an unusual neural manifestation of that reality. But good luck trying to explain that concept to anyone; most people are hopeless adherents to a bleak, reductionist view of reality that discounts subjective experience in favor of "objectivity" (aka consensus subjectivity) and hyper-rationalism taken out of its proper context.

This paragraph resonates with me. Well said.

 

[PinkPanther2]

The SWIM talk does no good and makes you sound a little silly. If you wouldn't admit to doing it yourself, don't talk about someone else doing it either. Doesn't really matter for talking about past drug use in general but if you talk about present or future illegal activities "someone who isn't you" is doing or planning on doing, you can get yourself in legal trouble whether it's SWIM, your cousin, your friend or good old "I". If it's anything significant and/or obvious enough to attract law enforcement's attention to begin with, of course.

maybe, maybe not. i think you guys get annoyed with people doing it, but that doesn't mean theirs nothing to it. you're right to some extent though, if what you were talking about was pretty huge, or fucked up, it might not matter. then again, people lie all the fucking time.. i personally don't want to specifically tell someone how to do something illegal, because that's illegal in itself.. so in that context, it DOES matter that you make it clear it's theoretical or fictional or whatever. if saying swim, or frank, or cindy, makes someone feel comfortable enough to speak freely about something then i can deal with it. but it is good to remember that it won't work in the case of "swim is about to do this totally fucked up illegal thing that will totally get whoever busts him for it a raise"..

 

[Roger&Me]

^AFAIK there's nothing illegal about explaining how a person could theoretically perform an illegal activity. That's just conversation.

 

[PinkPanther2]

..But good luck trying to explain that concept to anyone; most people are hopeless adherents to a bleak, reductionist view of reality that discounts subjective experience in favor of "objectivity" (aka consensus subjectivity) and hyper-rationalism taken out of its proper context...

a brick is a brick D U D E! a tree is a tree! FUCKING D H U H! :D

 

[PinkPanther2]

^AFAIK there's nothing illegal about explaining how a person could theoretically perform an illegal activity. That's just conversation.

what about an extraction? like, no theorectical.. just listing how to perform an extraction or synth? or even maybe suggesting that they do it??

 

[PinkPanther2]

..what do swimmers see on a dose between 2-6 hits of acid because swims cat feels all swims experiences were "mild

well.. to answer your question completely would take a while so i want to pick an awesome one that comes to mind.. hmmm.. i know, this is a fun one.. my girlfriend and i were sitting in a parking lot watching the sun rise on the horizon and the clouds in the sky "turned into" dolphins and whales and then eventually had like large cannons and stuff on thier backs and then i think eventually the clouds were large battleships.. it was cool.

 

[Roger&Me]

what about an extraction? like, no theorectical.. just listing how to perform an extraction or synth? or even maybe suggesting that they do it??

Like I said, AFAIK in most jurisdictions its not illegal to describe how a person might theoretically commit an illegal activity.

I don't even think its illegal in most places to explicitly suggest that a person commit an illegal activity. In order for it to be "conspiracy to commit a crime," there must be an agreement between two or more people to break the law at a future time.

I'm not a lawyer, though, so this is just an opinion-- not advice.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Why does it seem like so many people measure their trips on the basis of visual hallucination?

Fellas, there is NOT a reliable positive correlation between how hard you're tripping, and the amount of visual disturbance you experience.

Recollections of my most powerful trips don't really consist of any visuals - but this may also have to do with the fact that the cognitive facet of the experience was so intensely dominating that I couldn't be arsed to look for pretty colors.

 

[Roger&Me]

^Haha its like walking into a room to have a face to face conversation with God, and sitting there staring at the cool wallpaper the whole time.

(Not that I necessarily believe in a god-entity like that, but you get my point. :D)

 

[kusco]

My first time frying me and a buddy went up a trail near my house and we sat up looking at the view over the city for a good length of time. During our trip a bee started flying around us and suddenly their were over 40 bees flying around the both of us ( both of us saw the bees and im a 100% positive we were hallucinating). Funny thing is though i am probly one of the strangest psychedelic users in the sense that i am almost 100% percent convinced i cant get a bad trip(Ive seen water in my shower turn into pure thick blood, seen people in reflections of my mirrors, seen a (real)spider crawl up my leg and much more, all these things made me a little jumpy but more in the sense like "holy shit that was crasy " never been scared). As we saw the bees flying around us i sat there and laughed cus it was so strange and my friend ran down the trail yelling at the top of his lungs flapping his shirt in and out. xD if only u guys were there. Well anyways lsd is much more known for its "distorting" properties rather than hullucinogenic but it still is definitely possible to hullucinate on it, probly quite vague though.

 

[Mjäll]

1 hit of acid makes my whole visual field turn into millions of kaleidoscopic eyes which swirl and melt around to form shapes three dimensions, interspersed with crystal-clear visions of events (the latter part is more subconscious/memory related, at least directly, while the former is immediately visual).

But I've never seen things that aren't there per se. That's just not quite what psychedelics do afaik.

 

[ChasingTheCat]

Had a gnome talking to me on 12-15mg 2CE nasally

Saw the space, galaxys, nebulae as well as godly light show, involving aztec-like glowing patterns, while staring at the ceiling on 18mg of 4-HO-MiPT and 25mg of a-MT

not to mention the results of a good hit of DMT 8)

 

[2112acid]

The most real hallucination i have experienced was during my hardest trip, probably 2-3 hous after i peaked i was getting ready to go to sleep. I go inside my room and turn off the lights, as im taking off my shirt i see a ball of light inside the shirt and open it real quick. A spark 1 inch long jumps out of my shirt dances up my finger and explodes in front of my face. And my phone rings almost instantly after this happens.

Im 100% sure that there was no spark and it was interly the acid workn its magic, but it was an amazing experience non-theless.

my other awsome visual happened on a diffrent trip, but still a great trip; I believe we were watching fear and loathing, and im completely lost in the movie so i look down and start to stare at my arm hairs. In front of my eyes, my hairs start to grow into my skin, and come back out like little worms. The hairs got thicker and they really looked like worms. All over my arms this was happening, and i felt a sensation along the skin of my arms, it was truely incredible.

Other cool visuals:

Cieling tiles spinning and growing/shrinking(every single trip)
bricks pulsing/breathing/making paterns
Pipes growing extra limbs and holes
Bushes intertwining to create a wall

 

[helium-4]

Why does it seem like so many people measure their trips on the basis of visual hallucination?

Fellas, there is NOT a reliable positive correlation between how hard you're tripping, and the amount of visual disturbance you experience.

Recollections of my most powerful trips don't really consist of any visuals - but this may also have to do with the fact that the cognitive facet of the experience was so intensely dominating that I couldn't be arsed to look for pretty colors.

How do people not? Visuals are an integral part of a trip and they generally do increase with intensity, so obviously they do help in diagramming an effects profile for a given intensity. It doesn't work well for making generalizations about a drugs effects for a populous, but for an individual I find that it works out just fine.

 

[Raw Evil]

Visuals are an integral part of a trip and they generally do increase with intensity, so obviously they do help in diagramming an effects profile for a given intensity.

I certainly don't agree that visuals are "integral" to the experience. Some if my most memorable trips have been largely devoid of visuals .

And as for scaling with intensity, I've tripped enough to tell you that it's definitely non-linear. While dosage does affect visuals, it only acts as a multiplier to how visually intense that trip would have been.

 

[co.1nspire]

I once saw the goat god sitting on his throne while on E. I've also experienced large alien heads when i felt like an experiement and just found out 2 weeks ago that the Realians(a cult) actually believe the universe is an aliens experiement. LOL Aliens, little martians, demons, pharaos, and an army of skelletons dancing, I also experienced myself being eating my cosmic hounds, i just watched them eat away at my "spiritual flesh" Fucking strange, kind of makes me wonder if it was real or not and how certain schizophrenics experience reality. Whats real? This or that?

Meh!

 

[Black]

[...] Funny thing is though i am probly one of the strangest psychedelic users in the sense that i am almost 100% percent convinced i cant get a bad trip(Ive seen water in my shower turn into pure thick blood, seen people in reflections of my mirrors, seen a (real)spider crawl up my leg and much more, all these things made me a little jumpy but more in the sense like "holy shit that was crasy " never been scared). [...]

ime bad trips are very rarely due to seeing something scary while tripping. i've also seen some fucked up things (body parts on the floor (e.g. finger turned out to be a cigarette), blood dripping from the walls), but that never really influenced my trip. the bad trips come when you become convinced of strange things like "if the trip gets any stronger, the whole universe is going to dissolve. i've got to get sober again" or when you get stuck in thought loops.

i've had something similar to your bees story happen to me with ants. i was just thinking of ants when looking at a (ant-less ) surface and suddenly huge ants were crawling all over the place. on the same day i've seen day and night change multiple times, seen planes turn into helicopters with searchlights and even partly had time running backwards. on high dose lsd almost anything can happen, but chances are you are too far gone to even notice (or care if you do notice). it's like "hm... time runs backward now. how unimportant, i'll rather go back to the 5-dimensional maze/spiral/typewriter-thing (for the lack of a better description ) that represents all existence, i've got work to do there."

 

[besttimeofmylife]

my past 2 trips have been blocked out by my mind while on substance :[ only to acheive flashbacks 3-5 times after cannabis is burned, mushies flashback was more powerful than anything lucy did. but i have been in places with completely solid colors and been trippin BAWWLLS but was sober

 

[greenmeanies]

the bad trips come when you become convinced of strange things like "if the trip gets any stronger, the whole universe is going to dissolve. i've got to get sober again" or when you get stuck in thought loops

qft. i've had plenty of wonderful happy trips that had some crazy "scary" visual hallucinations (blood, explosions, cops etc) but my worst bad trips involved me believing that the universe was quickly coming to an end and it is my fault. these bad trips are the worst because the visuals are NOT intensely hallucinogenic-- i was convinced that i had made a fatal error in the fabric of time (like nick cage in "Next") and i was to blame for the imminent death of everyone i held dear. it was emotionally traumatizing to think that i was going to die and be judged for the mortal sin of destroying the universe.

the second time this happened to me, i was having a deja vu (or maybe the other way around-- the first trip was a premonition of the second one) of the same feeling. i believed that somehow when i sobered up from the first trip i was cast into an alternate dimension in which time was not passing in the "real world" and when i revisited the "real world" by tripping again, i was thrust right back into a collapsing universe from a year before. scary-ass shit and i hope nobody ever has to feel that way.

of course, if this ever happens to you, just close your eyes and laugh in the face of death, god, and everyone. you must trust that the universe will continue on just fine without you looking at it (like playing peek-a-boo with a baby... WHERE DID YOU GO WHEN I CLOSED MY EYES?!?!)