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The best Psychedelic for Hyperspace?

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What would be, in your opinion, the best RC (in terms of safety and effectiveness) to shoot one into mind-hyperspace? In other terms, detach from physical body and navigate through mind and consciousness as a being of light and thought. Like the lucid dream space if you will. The rabbit hole.

You all know what I'm talking about. %)
 
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I'd try something like Iboga or Ayahuasca if your looking for one of those crazy "relive the entire creation of the universe" type trips.
 
Agreed, a dissociative (for RCs though, I guess this means 4-MeO-PCP). Though the addition of a powerful psychedelic like DMT, DPT, or 4-AcO/ho-DMT will better guarantee your leaving orbit. The dissociative gets you detached and floating and the psychedelic fires your rockets. I've personally had very consistent results with mixing ketamine and 4-ho or 4-AcO-DMT in the same barrel and IMing. Substituting DMT or DPT will also work, but my most intriguing results have been with psilocin.

I know the term "hyperspace" is often used the way you term it, but it creates ambiguity because it has an older meaning and in the context of psychedelics use that older meaning -- beyond three-dimensional spatial perception (as in some reports of smoked DMT or salvia) -- can also be relevant. I don't think there is a single term for what you describe because it can manifest itself in so many different ways ("depersonalized psychedelic free-association"?).
 
I am talking about the sort of out-of-body detached state in which one can freely browse the mind and sort of live in his own imagination land for a while.
 
Ketamine and one hit of 5-meo-dmt. Or if you you want a easy to obtain but not as good experience DXM and 5-meo-dmt. DMT is your best bet, but unless you have a hookup 5-meo is a decent choice.
 
My opinion is that using a psychedelic with the intention of escaping the boundaries of your physical body would create some very weird expectations that might make your trip take strange turns.

Take it as it comes.

That being said: 5-MeO-DMT, from what I've heard. Though I'm not sure it's light enough on the body to really permit going into hyperspace.
 
On an empty stomach, 150mg harmine HCl and 25mg 4-AcO-DMT 90 minutes later. Go easy on the cannabis.

Have a sitter within earshot and leave a day before for preparation and one after for integration.
 
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Ketamine and one hit of 5-meo-dmt. Or if you you want a easy to obtain but not as good experience DXM and 5-meo-dmt. DMT is your best bet, but unless you have a hookup 5-meo is a decent choice.
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Dissociative plus 5-MeO-DMT sounds like a recipe for an abrupt ego death. Since 5-MeO-DMT rarely inspires visions in its users I don't think it's a good candidate. Visitor Q (jaw-dropping film by the way) wants to keep his mind somewhat intact so there's something left to explore. The one thing I'd add to my earlier advice (and others') to combine a dissociative with a powerful tryptamine is to keep the dissociative dosage substantially lower than if you were attempting a "hole" dose with it the dissociative alone. I use just 50 mg ketamine IM with 12 - 14 mg psilocin IM (add 50 percent for the 4-AcO dosage) to get consistent results. Once I upped the ketamine dosage to 70 mgs and experienced a lot of amnesia. This is despite the fact that I've done up to 200 mg of ketamine alone without tolerance and not experienced anywhere near the same amount of amnesia. There's a definite synergy with the combo.
 
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Ideally, I would like to fine-tune the chemical balance to achieve a sort of disconnection from all physical senses whilst still retaining cognitive function to provoke a sense that I am navigating freely inside my own mind, but consciously (like lucid dreaming perhaps).

Not even CEVs, I want to BE in the visuals, not just see them.
 
What would be, in your opinion, the best RC (in terms of safety and effectiveness) to shoot one into mind-hyperspace? In other terms, detach from physical body and navigate through mind and consciousness as a being of light and thought. Like the lucid dream space if you will. The rabbit hole.
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Honestly, that reaaally depends on what you're looking for. If you like tryptamines or phens (acid, mescaline, dmt, 2cb), i would experiment with something like 2ce first, then when you get a feel for that and dosing out the rc's yourself (and being safe with them), try some of the psilocin analogs, 4-AcO-DMT is probably my favorite for "hyperspace" and is quite a bit like aya IMO, it has a very nn-dmtish vibe to it and lasts 6-7 hours

If, however, you mean you wanna be dissociated and just disconnected from "reality", try either 3 or 4-MeO-PCP, or if you can still get it (due to stupid ass legality laws), 5-MeO-DMT

edit: i just hope things like 2ce and especially the psilo analogs dont get too mainstream that they start getting scheduled =*(, the 5-MeO law was a grim reminder to me that they can pull the plug anytime and just throw whatever chems they want on the CI list.

If anything, alot of people have been eating piperazines, and since those are "abused" alot more i hope if anything gets cracked down on its those fucking things. The death of mdma (for now)
 
Not even CEVs, I want to BE in the visuals, not just see them.
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Yep, dissociative plus powerful tryptamine is a good bet for you.

The last time I used ketamine with psilocin I had visions of foam forming and melting down into water repeatedly. But it wasn't just a vision -- it was an experiential metaform -- as though my body had innervated the foam. I could see long-forgotten memories of my past reflected at the prismatic intersection of its taught life-worn blisters, and experience those unique atmospheres like the taste of cool water drawn though parched teeth by a relieving and reliving breath.
 
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Advance apology if I am rambling; smoked a big bowl of straight iso hash a little while ago in an attempt to get as high as this guy. Didn't quite get there, but I'm still more baked than I've been in quite a while.

A large dissociative dose or a dissociative in combination with a fairly low dose of another psychedelic would likely produce the sort of effect you are looking for. I've had great results with 2nd plateau DXM + 2.5-4g mushrooms, including some of the most profoundly psychedelic and euphoric trips of my life. DXM + LSD was never as special of a combination for me as DXM + mushrooms has been for some reason. Although both LSD + K and Mushrooms + K were a lot of fun when I have had the chance to try these combos, I have not yet taken either at high enough doses of K to launch me into "hyperspace". I would imagine K-holeing while on LSD or shrooms would be incredible. I have heard that 2C-B + K and 2C-I + K are both excellent as well.

The best combo to accomplish your goal would probably be something along the lines of IM DPT + K. Good luck finding DPT these days though...
 
If you want to really potentiate your trips, try combining dissociatives with psychedelics. I have been meaning to try 3.5g potent cubensis + 400mg dxm. Nitrous oxide blasts me out of this world, especially when inhaled while under the influence of dxm/psy's. I've never tried K but I have heard it potentiates shrooms and especially LSD to an extreme level.

In terms of RC's, I'm not really sure. I think from the phenethylamines, 2C-E would be best for reaching some hyperspace-like zone. Tryptamines are all pretty similar molecular-wise to DMT... I think some of them could bring you to hyperspace pretty quickly in the correct dose.
 
Thank you very much gentlemen,
A lot of very good and interesting posts.

I will pursue research and will let you know my conclusions and results!
 
Brugmansia and Datura are the only things I've taken where I thought my hallucinations where completely real.

As in talking to people that aren't there... that kinda thing.
 
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