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phoenixrain88

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I envision the destruction of much of what makes the drug community worthwhile, swept in by the shimmering and illusory wings of the legalization movement.

Indica will dominate. Indica, the weed of TV-and-potato-chips-on-the-couh, the weed of I've-put-in-my-day's-work-and-it's-time-to-shut-down-my-mind. Indica. The body high that lasts an hour, followed by mental sluggishness, physical tiredness, and an overriding fog. Indica, the Valium of weeds.

Not sativa. Sativa often triggers insights which would be damaging to consensus reality. When I smoke sativa, along with my brother and many of my friends, we all report dissociative effects. We are able to view the primates around us as such, to pick out the inherent absurdities of culture, and it is all driven home in such an intuitive and visceral way. The realizations are tectonic in strength. And they are undermining to the capitalist order at their very core.

The consumer is merely a vessel through which product is processed. A drug need only leave the consumer alive to continue using his body to process pill after pill of that drug, and need only confer the IDEA of wellness (viz: statins, antidepressants ...) Food need only fill the consumer's belly. Alcohol need only pacify the consumer and keep him buying more. Capitalism is the reduction of products to the lowest common denominator, with a FEW higher-end options at grossly inflated prices, and with products which -- though in moderate demand -- would undermine the system itself ruthlessly suppressed by individuals acting individually. It's no conspiracy. No collective plotting. Just individual suppression, cogs twirling without knowledge of the greater machine.

If weed is legalized, there will be no more mind highs. There will be intense, mindless body highs, about an hour in duration, and the desire to smoke more, more, more, more until the reasoning and observative faculties are rendered all but moote. The same thing which alcohol, benzos, opiates, and all the other drugs (aside from psychedelics and sativas) induce.
 
Actually I find that most drug dealers sell Indica and sativa is very difficult to find. This is probably because indica is easier to grow and sativas take longer to mature and generally have smaller yields. Because weed is illegal we usually have a limited amount of connections to obtain it and therefore a limited choice. Pure sativa strains are very difficult to find here where weed is outlawed but if you go to Amsterdam (or even the medical states like Cali) where weed is (semi)legal you will have your choice of indica and sativa and anything in between.

And as the above poster stated, if weed is legalized you will be able to grow any strain you want.
 
It's not a matter of "able to grow" so much as "will be grown and consumed by the vast majority."

Yes: people could grow their own weed. (Possibly; or it might be like alcohol and tobacco, wherein who can grow is highly regulated.)

Yet most people -- the huge majority -- would buy whatever was on the market. Most people don't ferment their own craft beers. They drink the pig urine swill which passes for beer at the supermarket or 7-11.

Most people don't grow their own tobacco, or even seek out specialty cigarettes. They smoke utter poison, Newports and Marlboros.

Indica being easier to grow and more common is yet another reason why it will supplant sativa all but completely. Mind highs will dwindle to a very, very small group who specifically seek them out. For the majority: sedation, a further deepening of the half-awake state which is ideal for consumer drones (trundling from mall to mall, restaurant to restaurant ...)
 
That is assuming that weed is only grown and sold by massive corporations like tobacco is. All current situations similar to legality such as the ones in the Netherlands and Medical MJ in California suggest otherwise. Weed will most likely be grown by lots of different suppliers who breed their own strains.

People like variety and it would be a bad business decision to sell only one type of weed especially when it makes such a big difference (taste, potency, high etc).

It's not gonna happen. Actually, the way I see it, legalization will make sativa ALOT more available.
 
I hope you are correct. I draw overly apocalyptic conclusions sometimes so I hope this is one of those cases.
 
Dead on. Legalization could very well mean the death of the culture surrounding herb. I would much rather illegaly buy a sack of weed from a fellow criminal like myself then walk into a 711 to buy a pack of camel joints. If we let weed become commercialized, it will be controled by the tabacco industry and adulterated with all the same shit that gets put in cigarrettes. You could draw on the netherlands as an example of how thats not going to happen, but our culture is way different. I think Americans are more likely to consume marijuana in a much more capitalist, mindless consumerist way. Just like the majority of Americans don't care whats in their food or where it came from and how it got here, they won't care about that shit concerning weed. If I could light up a joint on the side walk indescriminately, I won't bother looking for a smoking spot, where I could potentially run into some other stoners, hence our culture. If weed is legalized, it should be kept away from private industry, not something likely to happen in this capitalism.

Don't be hatin' on indica though, it has its place. I too prefer sativa, but we couldn't have all the hybrids with interesting highs combining the relaxing body high and the mental stimulation.
 
if this is the governments attempt at misinformation or getting tokers to go against legalization, you guys aint putting as much effort in.
 
ganja god said:
Dead on. Legalization could very well mean the death of the culture surrounding herb. I would much rather illegaly buy a sack of weed from a fellow criminal like myself then walk into a 711 to buy a pack of camel joints. If we let weed become commercialized, it will be controled by the tabacco industry and adulterated with all the same shit that gets put in cigarrettes. You could draw on the netherlands as an example of how thats not going to happen, but our culture is way different. I think Americans are more likely to consume marijuana in a much more capitalist, mindless consumerist way. Just like the majority of Americans don't care whats in their food or where it came from and how it got here, they won't care about that shit concerning weed. If I could light up a joint on the side walk indescriminately, I won't bother looking for a smoking spot, where I could potentially run into some other stoners, hence our culture. If weed is legalized, it should be kept away from private industry, not something likely to happen in this capitalism.

Don't be hatin' on indica though, it has its place. I too prefer sativa, but we couldn't have all the hybrids with interesting highs combining the relaxing body high and the mental stimulation.
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You can't make the food comparison. Americans like unhealthy food because it tastes good, not just because they don't care about health.

It would be the same with weed. People will like to have different flavors and strengths. There is a huge difference between good tasty weed and commercially grown crap. No one likes the latter if they have tried the good shit. The difference is WAY more noticeable than it is with cigarettes, or liquor which both pretty much taste like shit no matter what IMO. And even if some people would buy shit because its cheaper or they just don't care there will always be a large niche that demands special strains like there is with wine and beer. I seriously doubt it will be controlled by only a few companies like the tobacco industry is. There will always be a demand for good shit and that has to be given the special care when growing that a huge corporation can't give. There will be a lot of profit in supplying good weed (even more than their is today and without the risk) and the demand won't just disappear

Also, I think the illegal aspect of if actually makes the average quality of weed WORSE. If it was legal it would actually become a legitimate profession which will result in many more skilled growers in the game and the crappier suppliers who grow only for quantity and couldn't give a shit about quality and particularly about TASTE won't be able to seize a practical monopoly like they have in the cigarrette industry. I think there will be a large variety from cheap and mediocre to expensive and AMAZING like there always has been. I think overall the quality and choice will go up alot.
 
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Sega420 said:
if this is the governments attempt at misinformation or getting tokers to go against legalization, you guys aint putting as much effort in.
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You're absurd, and clearly high already (on some indica no less), as the shallowness of your thinking betrays.
 
Uhhhh right. The goal of legalization would be to produce money. Thus whatever people demanded, the supply would follow. They dont only sell one type of alcohol, that wouldnt be profitable. You think you are the only person to like sativa dominant strains?

As well i highly doubt that right now you are getting sativa. A 100 percent sativa is not that desirable of a plant. As already stated. Pretty much anything you are smoking has been hybridized in some manner. Even the cannabis they pulled out of that Egyptian tomb appeared to be bred, in the sense it was for drug use, not some wild plant.

You also need to take a look at what breeders have been doing in influencing thc levels. The plant cannot produce all the actives in high concentrations, and as thc is the most sought after, plants with high potency in THC have been chosen to pass their genes on. THC is also associated with being more psychedelic, which is what you are describing, and CBD is associated more with lethargy and couchlock. CBD levels are much lower than what they used to be. So in essence you have been given more of what you desire.

I think if anything, you would have better time finding sativa or indica or anything inbetween, as you could actually be certain what was in your plant. Many of the plants actives have different effects and thus people would want a variety of things made available. The issue with CBD is one of medical concern, as many medical patients would be better suited with lower levels of thc and higher cbd, or a balance.

Cannabis has been developed to be what it has become. If you want 100 percent pure strains youd have to head back in history, as its all been blended. And dont worry, the illegal drug trade doesnt want legalization to happen either, its much less profitable when the risk is taken out.
 
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yes, im high on White Russian because i chose to grow it.
dont be a snobby douche, not everyone has to buy from dealers like you, some of us have freedom of choice.

and i was being sarcastic, of course with 63 posts and the types of postings you arent a misinformation agent.


get off your high horse about indica vs sativa, dick.
its all a matter of personal preferance.


The Pot Law Has Fallen

Legal in Canada

Denver- possession of up to an ounce legal

Weed-r-us

wouldn't it be nice




dont be a douche
 
no. for the last decade or two, millions of people have been buying weed in amsterdam and california, where it's already quasi-legal. there has been an explosion in growing techniques, strain variety and quality of product. i don't see any reason to think that this trend would be reversed.

and the indictment of capitalism is equally absurd. all you need to do there is look at the explosion of micro-brews. enough people want access to a wide variety of high quality craft beers, and the market has responded very quickly to provide it. if society was run by this imaginary conspiracy to keep people as dumb as possible on the cheapest possible product, all we'd see is steel reserve. luckily, reality is much more reasonable than paranoid stoners.
 
Cannabis should not be prohibited or taxed. Cannabis production should be unrestricted, unlicensed, uncontrolled and completely free of any government interference. It's just a plant! Leave people alone and let us have some privacy. Abolish the DEA, ONDCP, FDA and all drug prohibitions.

Retire early and move to the tropics. Sativa is abundant.
 
OP - I can't imagine what makes you think that. Amsterdam is not exactly short on sativas.
 
How could you not want it legalised? Who gives a fuck about the stoner 'culture'

I'd much rather be able to blaze up a fat blunt on the street with no worries over sitting in some dingy smoke den with a bunch of greasy stoners paranoid about cops.

The weed 'culture' is probably the gayest
 
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