Methamphetamine - New Experience - Chase that dragon! I got him!

[Chainer]

It almost sounds like you are promoting drug use of meth. That's the only part of this which alarms me. I'm totally open to people using whatever they want (it's their life and the choice of the user, not mine), but I'm against people promoting a very possibly dangerous lifestyle to anyone, especially if research hasn't been done by that party. I've seen what meth can do to some people, and most of them don't make it out well or easily. YYMV, just please don't promote meth use.

And writing a TR while still high is nice, but you should go back and fix it up while you are sober.

 

[acidicweed_69]

i think the main problem with this TR is that the user is saying "look, i tried meth and im fine. its NOT the devils drug".. the fact of the matter is, for anyone with that particular personality that LOVES meth, it IS the devils drug..

one off use of any drug is not gonna fuck you up, but if meth tickles your fancy and you keep chasing that high/not coming down, its gonna put you in a world of hell. ive read many TR on meth, and they all start of the same: the FIRST time i tried meth, it was like ecstasy.. and it all goes downhill from there..

to the TR writer- i am not attacking you, im glad you enjoyed the experience, however perhaps you shouldn't be so pro-meth.. if you choose to pursue meth, then im sure you'll find out the negative side of her as well

 

[Vladimir777]

I don't have much experience with meth, but I found that it never had a huge rush unless you did a pretty big shot. You don't need to do particularly much coke to get a big rush, but I only got a really heavy rush when I was putting a stupid amount into the barrel. I almost regret even shooting meth ever. It's hard to describe a really big meth rush. It would make my ears buzz, you feel a cold chill, like a cold wave of intensity and energy (I guess?) bloom from your chest outwards spreading throughout your body. Ugh, I can't even write about this, it just makes me want it.

 

[whitemilk661]

One trip to the intensive care unit in the mental hospital was enough for me to see meth for what it really is.

Please tell me you understand how addictive this substance is. It can devour anybody whole. Nobody does a drug thinking they are going to get addicted.

Seriously though. What do you consider to be worse than meth exactly out of the popular street drugs, or even legal?

Repetitive use of cocaine is also neurotoxic, so I can believe what you say about speed of onset effecting the dopamine receptors.

I do not believe cocaine is directly neurotoxic to dopamine and serotonin neurons... correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[Vladimir777]

The only thing I could think of out of normal street drugs that would be worth than IV meth is IV coke. I think if you were doing coke any other way (maybe not smoking crack...well that is basically the only other way other than snorting) then I would say for sure meth is worse than you. But IV coke really seems to fuck up your cardiovascular system bad, it's easier to OD on than IV meth, and you shoot up A LOT more times than when you're shooting meth. IV coke has always struck me as the worst drug addiction one can have. There are tons of daily IV heroin users on these boards, and there seems to be some IV meth ones as well, or at least recovering ones, but I haven't seen many people who bang coke every day for that long and live to tell about it.

But I am similar to the OP in that I didn't really feel meth's power until I shot large doses pretty recently. I now understand the addiction of that rush, which is at least close to be as euphoric as cocaine's (although not quite) if you do a big enough shot (big enough to where you get buzzing ears and your visuals get distorted). Honestly, it's not worth knowing that feeling. I hope I don't go back down that route again. It just feels so bad for you staying up for days, losing your grip on reality. It'd be cool if meth lasted only as long as heroin. I feel like it'd be more addictive if it were like that, because what really turns me off from the drug is that every time I use it I won't be able to sleep for days. If I could sleep that night, there would be a lot less downsides to using it, so I could see myself going off the deep end. Thank God it fucks up your life so completely immediately, or else I might get badly addicted to it.

 

[Ringfinger]

Your absolutely loving Meth after your first time is no surprise. Neither is the excessive amount of information you are pouring into this thread.

If you are listening to common sense, it will tell you to stay the hell away from meth. However, it's your life so live it however you like.

 

[jamesmartin]

and what are the bad effects of adderal or d-amp ? in your perspective . .?


i use D-amp but was considering trying meth if its like d-amp without the "bad effects"

 

[Mystery Brew]

Nice, thanks for sharing. While I agree ice isnt as destructive as heroin or opiatesQUOTE]

What did you base this off of? Im no where close to being a brainwashed ass face and say that "Omfg meth ahh". But it is neurotoxic while opiates isnt. But on the flipside w/d from opiates is probably far worse.

Are you basing that meth isnt as destructive as opiates dependancy wise? a couple time user wise?

I havent tried meth, closest amp to it I gave a go was D-amp. But from what I think the meth is a strong stimulant which isnt that healthy to the body to the heart creating cardio/blood pressure problems. Staying up for day and nights.

Im not trying to be bias just trying to understand where your coming from, not saying that opiates doesnt have any negative effects and we all know that too well

 

[TinMan77]

Yes, however not everyone who uses meth (even chronic meth smokers) get meth mouth. "Meth mouth" is a term which applies to people who use meth constantly and never brush their teeth, eat a lot of junk food, drink a lot of sugared/caffeinated beverages, and that's what causes "meth mouth".

The drug that DIRECTLY makes your teeth gross is Crack, not meth.

Thanks for the ignorance and propaganda that's been injected into your beliefs, but that's not why I started this thread. In fact that's not why Blue Light is here at all.

"meth mouth" has nothing whatsoever to do with the hygiene of the individual using meth. SWIM has been using meth off and on for over 12 years and from experience says "meth mouth" simply comes from staying awake too long or from a wash or cut in the meth itself. just giving you SWIM's personal experience!

 

[jamesmartin]

^ I thought it was from the constant teeth grinding u get ?

...... I've never done meth , bum I'm a regular used of d-amp and the day after using it I can't even eat without my teeth hurting !
(cos I was grinding them the prev day )


And this sureley can't be good for ur teeth eh

 

[viva-la-revolution]

FUCK YOU

METH IS AWSOME !

and i was wondering is this the case with d-amp as well?

 

[jamesmartin]

^ maybe .... i dunno

is it true ?

 

[RainbowWarrior]

strange thread... somhow doesn't seem like harm reduction...

I tried crystal (under that name it's known in europe) once, was 18 or 19 years old back then... it was a very strange evening and after taking crystal it was one of the strangest nights of my life

i was feeling very fit, yet intoxinated and therefore high at the same time, i didn't like it because it was not a very clear high but rather confused... i don't remember that much of the night, mostly only one scene when i was looking in a mirror, and what was looking back from the mirror was not me but a junky (that's really what i thought in this very moment)

very much like the 4th pic of the series of images posted above, especially the eyes (note: i too think those are exaggerated to create fear about this drug - in the end it are people who fuck them selfs up, not the substances) but for me meth was a very "dirty" high, and the next 2 days i felt very shity and caught myself thinking that some meth or amphetamines would now make me feel better - that's when i said: never again! there are so much better highs out there with much less of an aftermath

from todays perspective i can't even understand how i wanted to try it once... but from todays perspective a lot of things i did in the past don't make much sense anymore, maybe related to my last experiences with LSD, since then so much has changed :D

all of you who play with this drug: i wish you the best of luck

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I understand the fact that you don't have a urge to repeat the experience, this could be a good thing. I forgot to ask if after you smoked and the effects start to ware off, was an urge to redose? I get a strong urge to redose, but I usually fight it, I don't keep any around, and destory all sources of residue as a anti-redose, and anti-binge precaution. My friend redose and binge for weeks, inducing psychosis on themselve, and same with my other friends who are ex-tweekers in the past and no longer use.

Yeah there was an urge to use more, only because it was around and it was just enough for one nice experience. It wasn't an "overwhelming, fiendish" urge like crack gives you though. It was just a nagging "hey you know how good it'll make you feel", same kind of nagging feeling heroin would give me (except heroin was much more desirable back then than any drug is now to me).

I've also understand your trip report alot as well, I was quite surprised to see the report, and admired it. I'm happy you were able to understand part of my TR, how potentially moreish meth is to certain people, and see how some people like meth way too much, the addiction potential.

Yeah, meth has a *huge* addiction potential, along the lines of heroin. I can see how people get *way* too far balls deep into this stuff.

I will definatly find a way to fight the urge to repeat the experience, my fingers are crossed and hopefully my friend who's in rehab for meth dosn't relapse again, as I have no other source.

That's the great thing about only having one source, once it's gone, it's gone.

Nice contrast between a "upper" person, and "downer" person as far as drug preference go. I consider myself a mix of both although more towards uppers. I rarely run into uppers, with the exception of MDMA, which kept me away from using them too much. I do run into downers alot, and there's easy access. I like disassociatives, and hallucinogens as well, but you hit the nail on drug preference, whats more addictive, and personality.

PLUR

PLUR to you as well Candy Raver!

CH

It almost sounds like you are promoting drug use of meth. That's the only part of this which alarms me. I'm totally open to people using whatever they want (it's their life and the choice of the user, not mine), but I'm against people promoting a very possibly dangerous lifestyle to anyone, especially if research hasn't been done by that party. I've seen what meth can do to some people, and most of them don't make it out well or easily. YYMV, just please don't promote meth use.

And writing a TR while still high is nice, but you should go back and fix it up while you are sober.

I wasn't promoting drug use. If that's how it came across, then it is probably "too addictive" of a drug for most people to try and I hope they never do.

However, if you're going to use a drug like cocaine or crack, and you're going to do it anyways, I'd opt to do meth instead, only because it's a less harsh comedown (for the amount of time you spend high), there's less dosing, and it's less 'fiendish' like crack is.

I would rather have people try LSD or mushrooms than I would meth.

i think the main problem with this TR is that the user is saying "look, i tried meth and im fine. its NOT the devils drug".. the fact of the matter is, for anyone with that particular personality that LOVES meth, it IS the devils drug..

one off use of any drug is not gonna fuck you up, but if meth tickles your fancy and you keep chasing that high/not coming down, its gonna put you in a world of hell. ive read many TR on meth, and they all start of the same: the FIRST time i tried meth, it was like ecstasy.. and it all goes downhill from there..

to the TR writer- i am not attacking you, im glad you enjoyed the experience, however perhaps you shouldn't be so pro-meth.. if you choose to pursue meth, then im sure you'll find out the negative side of her as well

Meth doesn't tickle my fancy though, and even if it did, I wouldn't let it get bad. I've seen people go through amphetamine psychosis (and delirium tremens), so I have plenty of reasons not to use meth to the extreme some take it to. Mostly, the saving my mental faculties part.

Your absolutely loving Meth after your first time is no surprise. Neither is the excessive amount of information you are pouring into this thread.

If you are listening to common sense, it will tell you to stay the hell away from meth. However, it's your life so live it however you like.

The only drugs I have "absolutely loved" after trying it for the first time would be: MDA (taken intravenously), heroin (snorted), weed (not really after the first time but eventually), and mushrooms and LSD (both orally).

I enjoyed Xmas this year on meth for sure, it's just not a drug that has much affinity to me, or my liking.

and what are the bad effects of adderal or d-amp ? in your perspective . .?


i use D-amp but was considering trying meth if its like d-amp without the "bad effects"

Amphetamine psychosis, inability to eat and sleep (I was able to eat and sleep while on this meth adventure, as unlikely as you all are to believe me or not), etc.

Honestly meth will have the same problems d-amp will. Adderall has "bad effects" due to the levo isomer. This is why dexedrine is preferred to Adderall (though others prefer the 75/25 d,l-amp combo).

 

[tamoz]

Yes, however not everyone who uses meth (even chronic meth smokers) get meth mouth. "Meth mouth" is a term which applies to people who use meth constantly and never brush their teeth, eat a lot of junk food, drink a lot of sugared/caffeinated beverages, and that's what causes "meth mouth".

The drug that DIRECTLY makes your teeth gross is Crack, not meth.

Thanks for the ignorance and propaganda that's been injected into your beliefs, but that's not why I started this thread. In fact that's not why Blue Light is here at all.

Wow. I would have never thought that someone who seemed to be so smart about drugs in general, would try to tell themselves that meth aint so bad so... you dont have to feel any guilt? Binge on it for about 3 months and tell me your physical and mental health is unaffected when it's all said and done.

Do you think there is a huge difference between crackheads and meth smokers? Do you think their lifestyles are much different? I am sure that if you're a serious stim fiend you will most likely end up doing the things that you have listed as the cause of "meth/crack mouth", and inevitably look alot worse off than you did when you started.

I am not here to get on your case, because I have seen your threads on opiates and you are a wealth of information when it comes to that. What bothers me is the blatant lie that nicotine and alcohol are not drugs. This is simply not true at all. Drink a fifth of vodka and tell me its not an intoxicant...most wouldnt even be able to walk, let alone talk.

So I said what I felt, I hope you dont just cast it off like the other person you flamed for disagreeing with the "meth mouth" issue. This site is here for safe drug discussion, not denial about the negative effects of drugs, or any drug or substance for that matter. It's all bad for you in some way, shape, or form.

peace
-J-Dub.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Wow. I would have never thought that someone who seemed to be so smart about drugs in general, would try to tell themselves that meth aint so bad so... you dont have to feel any guilt? Binge on it for about 3 months and tell me your physical and mental health is unaffected when it's all said and done.

How can I binge on meth for 3 months in a row? That's nasty. Anyone who can do that to themselves probably shouldn't touch meth at all.

Do you think there is a huge difference between crackheads and meth smokers? Do you think their lifestyles are much different? I am sure that if you're a serious stim fiend you will most likely end up doing the things that you have listed as the cause of "meth/crack mouth", and inevitably look alot worse off than you did when you started.

"A serious stim fiend" = not me. I barely even like stimulants.

One can argue the lifestyle of any addict is not that different from another, but that's just wrong. I think you and I both know that. In fact, if all addicts lived the same lives, there would be no grand mystery behind drugs or using them, you could just predict what's going to happen to someone because they're "using" - no matter what they're using. This is incorrect. Someone's life doesn't become predictable because they're on drugs.

I am not here to get on your case, because I have seen your threads on opiates and you are a wealth of information when it comes to that. What bothers me is the blatant lie that nicotine and alcohol are not drugs. This is simply not true at all. Drink a fifth of vodka and tell me its not an intoxicant...most wouldnt even be able to walk, let alone talk.

Tobacco and alcohol are both toxins. If you're going to sit here and tell me "nicotine and alcohol are drugs!" then I'll sit here and tell you that anticholinergics are drugs! But you certainly wouldn't eat Datura, would you? Of course not. If you truly cared about yourself, you wouldn't smoke tobacco, drink alcohol, nor ingest Datura. Though all the active ingredients (nicotine, anticholinergics, and ethyl alcohol) are technically drugs, the experience of each is not FUN, and certainly not recreational.

Being so trashed on alcohol that you can't walk or talk isn't... euphoric, it's not fun, it's certainly not recreational. Intoxication does not equal "high".

 

[Lord]

I've taken dextroamphetamine orally, which resulted in a tiny buzz and some chills around the sleep deprivation period. I thought it was mildly psychedelic (probably residual from marijuana abuse) and also mildly euphoric. It had a relatively strong effect on the speed of my thoughts. I felt some anxiety though, it was like the uneasiness came with the euphoria, which almost ruins it at times. But it did make me feel like I could see the true feministic beauty and slickness in women for the first time. Oh, and very sped-up and vivid thoughts combined with high levels of adrenaline are not fun.

Terrible trip report. Hopefully you don't go back. While the first time doesn't usually cause immediate addiction, it really facilitates eventual addiction. I was addicted to marijuana and it was a terrible part of my life for the last few months of use+recovery. I can't imagine how unpleasant a meth addiction would eventually be. Despite the lack of information about the trip, it was interesting to see the style of writing. Seems familiar enough.

While combining stimulants with psychedelics could cause incredible euphoria, it could also cause extreme panic. I tried the combination with milder drugs (sativa bud + caffeine and also with several red bulls another time). Impressive visuals and euphoria. I just wish I wasn't so scared of the outside. I would have LOVED to walk on the trails in that state. Maybe weaker bud would've been better. At least I still got to look out the window.
Stimulants, especially meth, combined with psychedelics sounds like a horrible idea despite the possibility of having an amazing trip.

As for your idea of real drugs, maybe you just haven't had enough of the fake ones? I think that every drug except for caffeine and some OTC drugs and supplements are "real drugs." Tobacco would be a real drug if it lasted longer and tolerance was kept down. Caffeine is garbage as a real drug though. Even good marijuana doesn't have a ceiling (although it can get very unpleasant before reaching the tripping level). Then again, you almost certainly have more drug experience than I do. As for the idea about drugs and toxins, nearly all of them are toxins, despite the common separation of groups. For the most part, we didn't evolve to handle drugs efficiently, particularly in doses that cause intoxication or highness. Anything that you put into your body that causes significantly negative effects at anything but extremely high dose is a toxin, I think

edit: I just read the rest of the posts. It seems as though some of what I said doesn't matter now.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I was addicted to marijuana

Then kindly remove your posts from my thread then.

As for the idea about drugs and toxins, nearly all of them are toxins,

Marijuana's not a toxin. Whereas ergot is a toxin, LSD is not a toxin. Whereas mushrooms can go moldy and become toxic, psilocin and psilocybin are not toxins.

There's plenty of drugs which kill a lot less than hundreds of thousands of people annually.

It seems as though some of what I said doesn't matter now.

Can you tell me how anything you said matters at all? Ever?

 

[tamoz]

How can I binge on meth for 3 months in a row? That's nasty. Anyone who can do that to themselves probably shouldn't touch meth at all.


"A serious stim fiend" = not me. I barely even like stimulants.

One can argue the lifestyle of any addict is not that different from another, but that's just wrong. I think you and I both know that. In fact, if all addicts lived the same lives, there would be no grand mystery behind drugs or using them, you could just predict what's going to happen to someone because they're "using" - no matter what they're using. This is incorrect. Someone's life doesn't become predictable because they're on drugs.


Tobacco and alcohol are both toxins. If you're going to sit here and tell me "nicotine and alcohol are drugs!" then I'll sit here and tell you that anticholinergics are drugs! But you certainly wouldn't eat Datura, would you? Of course not. If you truly cared about yourself, you wouldn't smoke tobacco, drink alcohol, nor ingest Datura. Though all the active ingredients (nicotine, anticholinergics, and ethyl alcohol) are technically drugs, the experience of each is not FUN, and certainly not recreational.

Being so trashed on alcohol that you can't walk or talk isn't... euphoric, it's not fun, it's certainly not recreational.

CH I gotta agree with you. The effects of drugs are the result of the lifestyle of the user, not necessarily the drug. And i know that alcohol and nicotine are poisons, but some people view tylenol as a "drug".

I would never take any deliriant, im all about the opes man, by your name im sure youve had your experience with that

I personally hate the effects of alcohol and think that mary jane is a far more enjoyable, and maybe even less harmful than booze. Nothing compares to a smooth high, not a "fucked up" feeling that some people seem to love whatever the substance. It takes a refined taste to enjoy drugs, not the "fucked up" feeling that most dumb teens look for.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I personally hate the effects of alcohol and think that mary jane is a far more enjoyable, and maybe even less harmful than booze. Nothing compares to a smooth high, not a "fucked up" feeling that some people seem to love whatever the substance. It takes a refined taste to enjoy drugs, not the "fucked up" feeling that most dumb teens look for.

I agree fully.

Marijuana is very much so safer than alcohol in almost every way possible. It's never killed anyone, and isn't physically addictive. Alongside that, it also prevents plaque build up (too much plaque build up in the brain can lead to Alzheimers).