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Interesting Erowid Article on Driving Stoned

I don't know what that article says but driving stoned is dangerous. A lot of these pro-pot sites try to act like it isn't. Think of it this way: If you were getting a new kidney, you probably wouldn't want the doctor to rip a 4 foot bong first would you? Driving a car is some serious shit and if you crash you could kill other people and ruin your life.
 
Why don't you try reading the article then, before commenting.

If I was being operated on, I would have no problem if the doctor was stoned out of his gourd. He could be on meth or coke for all I care, as long as he wasn't sleep deprived from it.
 
Coolio said:
Why don't you try reading the article then, before commenting.

If I was being operated on, I would have no problem if the doctor was stoned out of his gourd. He could be on meth or coke for all I care, as long as he wasn't sleep deprived from it.
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you're an idiot.

"oh man im so high, i accidentally sliced his coronary artery, its ok he'll understand, im stoned".


in fact, its comments like that that tar the rest of us tokers as morons and give us a bad rep.
 
In what way would cannabis interfere with a surgeon's ability to perform an operation?
 
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I'm not going to get into this one, but I will say I'd rather him be stoned than drunk. And god help you if he's both!

That's basically what the article is saying - driving stoned is risky but generally safer than alcohol. With alcohol, people tend to think they are more sober than they actually are and with weed people seem to think they are higher. In other words, stoned drivers drive more carefully and are aware of their intoxication. Drunk drivers are less aware and tend to take more risks.

I won't argrue that driving while high could be considered risky behavior.
 
The way I read that article was that driving stoned has a positive impact on driving ability because stoned drivers are more cautious than sober drivers. A stoned surgeon would probably be more cautious than a sober surgeon.

Sega420's hypothetical surgery situation just reminds me of the anti-marijuana commercials where the kid picks up a gun and shoots himself because he's high.
 
no, i read the article.

but either way, i stick by what i said.
i smoke cannabis a lot so im not exactly being biased.

it IS stupid to say you wouldnt care if a surgeon was "stoned out of his gourd, or on meth"



are you kidding me?
surgery requires a sharp mind, and steady hands, along with being able to remember what surgery it is that you are performing.

"stoned out of his gourd" or on meth etc he could accomplish none of these.
so yes, what you said was idiotic, and gives an impression of the kind of smokers that are like "yeah weeds amazing its soooo good for you".


say silly things and people will assume you are a moron.
we dont need help with making the public think that pot smokers are retarded.
already got plenty of that from the Govt.s


so yeah, no offense but it was silly to say
 
Sega420 said:
are you kidding me?
surgery requires a sharp mind, and steady hands, along with being able to remember what surgery it is that you are performing.
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Methamphetamine enhances mental and physical performance. And cannabis can steady the hands.

It's completely implausible that a person would "forget what surgery they're performing" because they're under the influence of cannabis. If the surgeon was operating under the influence, I would assume he has a tolerance and is used to the effects, so his performance shouldn't be impaired.

You're really putting surgeons in too high esteem with this attitude. They're not gods, they're just regular people. They fuck up when they're sober too. The job isn't really that hard, either. It just takes some education.
 
i never said they were special, and you said "stoned out of his gourd", when i get stoned as fuck i have trouble keeping my hand steady properly to roll a joint let alone move from the couch :P

and meth may make you more alert but it also makes you more spontaneous, which is why it was given to kamikaze pilots.

for both substances, dosage is the determining factor. small dose of methamphetamine i wouldnt mind, but as long as i didnt know!


and if he'd blazed a joint a half hour before removing my gallbladder or whatever id have no problems.
if he had been hitting the bong all afternoon with the nurses then thats a different story.

the fact of the matter is, performing surgery requires a sharpness, and anything that intoxicates you in ANY way, can be detrimental to this. im pretty sure the majority of people having surgery would rather the doctor was sober.


next time be more clear before making statements
 
Meth doesn't make people more spontaneous, I'm not sure where you got that idea. It enhances focus, concentration, and alertness. That would make one more predictable; they'd be doing the task at hand and not acting spontaneous. At a normal dose, when he's well rested, it would only enhance most surgeons' performance at surgery unless they were overwhelmed by unfamiliar effects having not tried meth before. I'm assuming a surgeon who would risk his career by going to work under the influence would be experienced with whatever drug.
 
yes, im not disputing that, im saying it would be better he was sober!

not "stoned out of his gourd" as you stated.
and crystal meth is known to make people spontaneous, but like you said, mainly with sleep deprivation and high doses.


why would a surgeon do it though?
sitting around at his desk "im bored, time for some meth" :D

my kinda party animal, but id prefer a sober doctor
 
i've had surgery and as a stoner i'd have to say i wouldn't want my doctor on any kind of drugs. say what u want but if the last thing u hear before u go under is "man i'm soooo baked right now" you would freak out when u woke up. any drugs impairs a person. unless the doctor spent all his time in med school high, took all the necessary tests to become a doctor high, i do not want them high and operating on me.
 
QuasiStoned said:
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That's basically what the article is saying - driving stoned is risky but generally safer than alcohol. With alcohol, people tend to think they are more sober than they actually are and with weed people seem to think they are higher. In other words, stoned drivers drive more carefully and are aware of their intoxication. Drunk drivers are less aware and tend to take more risks.

I won't argrue that driving while high could be considered risky behavior.
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BAM!
Well Put.
 
I used to drive high 99% of the time. I don't anymore because I don't smoke, I would seriously drive better. I would follow every traffic law because I wouldn't want to get pulled over high. When I'm sober I just think; "fuck it, I'm sober, I don't care if I get a ticket. I'm not going to jail for it."

I read most of a article, but I lost my concentration when it got to all the graphs and technical stuff that I don't really under stand. The part about frequent cannabis users not being affected as much by alcohol blew my mind. I guess Its good I don't smoke so my beer effects me more when I drink it.
 
QuasiStoned said:
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I'm not going to get into this one, but I will say I'd rather him be stoned than drunk. And god help you if he's both!

That's basically what the article is saying - driving stoned is risky but generally safer than alcohol. With alcohol, people tend to think they are more sober than they actually are and with weed people seem to think they are higher. In other words, stoned drivers drive more carefully and are aware of their intoxication. Drunk drivers are less aware and tend to take more risks.

I won't argrue that driving while high could be considered risky behavior.
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I agree, weed along with other drugs put u in a completely different world than if you were slamming fourties. When your drunk everything is wavy and you tend to not care much about your surroundings, while if you smoke weed it can often make you feel like thoughts are in order if they were previously scrambled, that is.. depending on how much of a pot smoker u are. Personally i'd like the doctor to be rolling face cuz then he'd care about me a lot more, although he may have to close one eye to operate...
 
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