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The Big & Dandy First-Time-Tripper Thread

Intensity of any psychedelic can be controlled by dosage. There is not such a thing as "X psychedelic is more intense than Y psychedelic". Go for mushrooms. It's a good psychedelic with mild side effects and it'll come in handy when later discussing with brickheaded people who consider psilocybin, LSD, DMT and mescaline the only true psychedelics, bestowed with spirits and whatnot.

If you go for LSD, ask around to determine the potency first. It might be true that most tabs are so weak that a first-timer could take 2, but much stronger tabs do circle as well.
 
The first time I tried LSD I took just over a half tab (had to split 2 tabs between 3 people) it was still a lot of fun and we all enjoyed it. Was intense just as trying any new drug is.

A full tab can be pretty intense for a first time experience, then again that depends on how much LSD is on those tabs. It also depends on what you're looking for, are you ready to blow your mind out? or would you like a smoother introduction?

Just be in a good frame of mind, in a good environment and make sure you have nothing to do for the next 24-48 hours.
 
If you decide to go with shrooms for your first trip, I fully recommend you err on the side of a low-dose vs. a high-dose.

You can always eat more later... but man, even if you think you know what to expect, like someone else said in this thread a bad shroom trip is tough. You are just praying you can get your head straight for 10 seconds and you can't.
 
I dunno if I'd even call 4-MMC an empathogen - never tried it but from what I hear entactogen probably applies better. The two terms emerged as interchangeable for MDA and MDMA, but I think we have enough similar compounds to diverge the labels. A lot of Meph users report that it lacks the empathogenic qualities of MDMA while still enhancing touch and producing physical euphoria.

At any rate, as for a first trip, two things I would say:

1. On the question of bad trips... They're always a possibility, but worrying about them is one of the most common ways to cause them. So long as you have a good set and setting - generally positive mindset, no huge crisis in your life right now, especially one you've been avoiding dealing with, anyone else who is present is a good friend you are comfortable around, no unexpected interruptions by parents or other authority figures, etc. - you will *probably* have a good time. That said, psychedelics are very effective at digging up unconscious material. This can manifest as anything from the most profoundly wonderful experiences imaginable, custom tailored to details even you couldn't explain about yourself but relate to deeply... Or it can be quite unpleasant. The most common 'bad trip' experiences fall into one of a few categories: negative thought loops, where your mind gets 'stuck' on something unpleasant and you have trouble changing topics (distractions like music, conversation, tv/movies, etc. can help, with experience these become much easier to break out of at will but the first time it happens can catch you off guard); scary visuals, which you just have to remind yourself are not real and stop paying attention to (it's rare to see spiders or psycho clowns or shit like that, usually it's more abstract patterns and symbols but it's not unheard of); or really negative bodyload which can make you think you are sick or even dying. Fear of death can also be a natural reaction to what's called "ego death" - this is a fear many never get over, but most find after experiencing it that they are very grateful for the experience, as it can teach you a lot and be very valuable once you get past the fear part. As for bad bodyload, the two best solutions are 1) avoiding psychedelics with bodyload issues or 2) when using those with bodyload issues, remind yourself of this when you feel like shit. Personally I mostly choose option 1, but I'm a wuss when it comes to nausea and bodyload.

2. Whew, onto the second thing - suggestions for a psychedelic to choose. If you want an easier entry into the world of psychedelics without as much a risk of a bad experience, most people find the phenethylamines gentler in general. The most common of these are mescaline and the 2Cs - 2C-I and 2C-E being the most common of those. They are less common than mushrooms and even acid in many areas, though, so I don't know if you'd be able to find them so easily. Mushrooms are probably the most common psychedelic in the States and therefore many peoples' first and even only psych, but they are also among the most intense. Before I started having nausea problems with them I loved just about every mushroom trip I had, but my most difficult trips aside from the peaks of a couple very high dose LSD experiences were pretty much all mushroom trips. LSD is harder to find these days than it used to be, and it lasts a long ass time (a good 10-12 hours at least unless you take a very small dose), but it's many peoples' favorite: it can be 'intense' like mushrooms but typically leaves you a bit more in control. Mushrooms can almost seem to take over your brain so they can show you what they want to while you follow along in a dreamy haze; LSD is more like opening doors and allowing your fairly clear-headed conscious mind to explore some pretty weird places it normally doesn't get to see. A good friend likes to describe LSD as "like having superpowers" in that he feels much more in control of how the effects manifest. LSD can get quite overwhelming at times, don't get me wrong, but it tends to leave you with greater control and a clearer mental state than mushrooms.

If you are excited to explore the psychedelic experience while remaining as open-minded as you can about what to expect (whatever you expect will probably be wrong, but don't worry - the real thing will make your expectations seem trivial and boring by comparison!), with a good set and setting prepared for yourself, I think any out of mushrooms, LSD, mescaline or 2C-E would be great and similar alternatives like LSAs or 2C-I would be fine, too.
 
jamesmartin said:
Before anything I would reccomend weed

If you have already tried that I would then reccomend a low-med dose of acid .(this was my first psyc)

But why wouldn't I reccomend shrooms instead of acid ? Well acid is more of a clear headed high , where I find I can think straight and keep my cool..
With shrooms I feel more like "wooah , what the fuck " sort of feeling , when acid is quite chill .

Also with shrooms , I find paranoia can occur more easily if something goes wrong (e.g - your mom is calling you while tripping , or seeing a cop)

so yeah overall LSD I would reccomend
maybe a lower -medium dose to start off with .


But you could also try the 2cs which I am not to farmiliar with but I'm sure other bluelighters can tell you about them ?

I heard some are basically just visuals without much mental effects at all ..... But yeah I don't know to much about the 2cs...
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This is some excellent advice.

I've never taken any RCs like 2C-I and I don't want to.

Nobody can really answer this except yourself and drugs effect everyone differently.

Aside from the minor psychedelic effects of herb the first time I really tripped I was on a high dose of LSD complete with heavy OEVs and ego death and even though I was around my parents and teachers as I did take it at school before the end of the day and I was around my dad's drunk asshole friend it still did not go horribly wrong and I didn't spiral into a bad trip even if there was some paranoia during the experience.

You could try eating pot first in brownies as this can bring on a psychedelic experience. It is different than just smoking a lot of good herb.

Keep in mind that when you trip it's not like a party drug like booze or like herb can be for some people. Lots of people find that psychedelics aren't just something that you just take on a whim or that you can take whenever you feel like it even if you're depressed, angry, or in a bad mood.

Make sure that you do not have to drive or go anywhere and if it's possible trip with someone else who has done it before and make sure your phone is off so that you don't have to talk to someone you do not want to while tripping.

As far as mushrooms go I found that 2.0g of them gave me exactly what I was looking for but I did want a very strong first time experience with them and I had lots of ego fragmentation and I remember when they kicked in at the time I thought I was dreaming that my friend and I ate mushrooms then I eventually calmed down and realized that this wasn't the case and I just wound up enjoying the trip.

One tab is a fine dose for LSD. Try to find out if it's strong or not or just test it by taking one tab. That's one thing I don't like about LSD how it's not really that easy to gauge how weak or strong it will be based on how much you take unlike with shrooms where 5.0g or more will make you trip VERY hard and give you a very intense experience.

Some people keep Nicinamide or even benzos around to cancel out a trip. I did try taking some Nicinamide while on a low dose of LSD just to see if it's true that it does make you stop tripping on LSD, and it did abort the trip somewhat but I've never taken benzos.

IME mushrooms and LSD are two completely different drugs. Some people prefer one over the other if you've never taken either it's just speculation as to how you'll enjoy either of them.
 
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Having tried mushrooms and LSD (only once, for each), i would say that LSD is easier to prevent a bad trip. Mushrooms just had more of a body feeling, a body load that could be uncomfortable. Mushrooms are more "flooring" physically, or at least that is what I noticed. LSD also had more of a happy, upbeat feel than mushrooms, mainly cause in my opinion, mushrooms are flooring.
 
1) Take only plant-drugs with long histories of human usage which proves them to be safe

2) Start with Cannabis, just smoke some one night.

3) Take a moderate dose of 'Shrooms, San Pedro, Peyote, Ololuiqui/Woodrose Seeds or Ayahuasca.

4) Don't take any non-plant drugs or any RC bullshit, it's dangerous
 
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^What is wrong with? Why must you make such bold false statements? We all know your obsessed with plant containing drugs and thats great but you don't need to bash other drugs because they don't come from plants and you definately don't need to define them as dangerous. I mean your recommending aya to someone as a first time trip? Unless he takes extracted dmt he has no idea how much hes taking and even low dose oral dmt is pretty powerful. However I would agree that mescaline is a nice mostly calm trip and would be good for a first jump into tripping.
 
Your right... there is totally no reason why I'd warn against him taking RCs or anything like that.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=465736

Unless he takes extracted dmt he has no idea how much hes taking and even low dose oral dmt is pretty powerful. However I would agree that mescaline is a nice mostly calm trip and would be good for a first jump into tripping.
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Ya your probably right.. Cacti would be a good choice.
 
Teotzlcoatl: please don't categorically claim that natural drugs are all safe (delerients, MAOIs, coca, opium... That's just the most famous/obvious 4 off the top of my head) or that all synthetics are unsafe (less problematic from a harms reduction POV but still annoying to spread that kind of misinformation).

There is no alternative to researching each and every drug you consider ingesting for its known history of potential harms and/or safe use. Please avoid advice that suggests otherwise. I agree that drugs with a long history of use are more likely than not fairly benign, but to suggest that any natural drug is definitely safe is bad advice to put it nicely. Would you honestly prefer natural datura, poppy or coca to semi-synthetic LSD? Would you prefer it to synthetic, lab-produced 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine (a.k.a., mescaline)?

edit: to respond to your latest post, the fact that a tainted source of a drug caused deaths does not prove that all RCs are bad - it proves that you need to know your source and research the specific compound you're taking. There is not one recorded death attributed to 2C-C, -D, -E, -I, -P, -T-2 or a litany of others, and that's just the 2C family. There are real risks to RC use, but to claim that they are all categorically unsafe is ridiculous. Plenty of people have died from natural drugs, too. If I post a news link about some kid who ate the wrong strain of mushroom and died, will you decide that all natural drugs are bad? I, for one, would conclude, as I said about your link, that you need to know your source and research the compound you're taking. The fact that something else which was passed off as psilocybe mushrooms caused deaths does not make psilocybe mushrooms less safe; it makes some sources of supposed "psilocybe mushrooms" unsafe because that's not what they are actually providing.

When you're not saying stupid things like that about other peoples' preferred compounds, you have some interesting input, but you do say some awfully stupid things about synthetics :\
 
I actually recommending taking 2-3 hits of LSD if you go that route and 3.5 grams or an 1/8 of mushrooms if you go that route. If you have someone to watch after you and are in a good enviornment and you seek a true psychedelic experience, I would try those doses. Lower doses of mushrooms and LSD can be interesting and 'fun' but I don't know if I would consider them psychedelic.

In the 60's an average hit of LSD contained on average 300 micrograms, today's doses on average are about 100 and in some cases lower.

In regards to shrooms, it's true some people are alot more sensitive, I took 3.5 my first time and while I was overwhelmed I'm glad I took that amount because it truly made me have reverence for them. In later experiments where i've taken lower doses it's seemed more recreational and not even the 'complete experience.' Just doing some research first and be with people you are comfortable with and have a good place to stay.

Like Doug Stanhope said ' Don't take a few and see colors, take a whole bag and see God.'
 
Teotzlcoatl: please don't categorically claim that natural drugs are all safe
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I certainly never said that...

I said... Plant-drugs with long histories of human usage which prove them to be safe.

If something has a long history of human usage... it's fairly easy to see if it's safe or not.

Example... Datura - *Subject research effects* - "Well shit that makes you crazy, I'm not doing that"

Peyote - *Subject research effects* "That looks safe, I think I'll try it"

edit: to respond to your latest post, the fact that a tainted source of a drug caused deaths does not prove that all RCs are bad - it proves that you need to know your source and research the specific compound you're taking.
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The difference between RCs and let's say... a cactus is that if I can botanically ID the cactus I know FOR SURE exactly what I'm getting.... that powder in your RC bag could be ANYTHING!
 
anthrax is perfectly fucking natural too, would you like to ingest that? RCs yes, can be anything, but LSD isnt an RC. Not much other than LSD that can fit on a blotter, adn the other substances that a decent dose can fit on a blotter..youd be able to taste. And the alkaloid content of cacti can vary HIGHLY, dont pull that shit. Generally, especially with psyches, the people who sell them also use and arent gonna bullshit you and say "yeah man these tabs are weak, eat 10" when theyre strong as fuck. Plant drugs run the risk of mold and bacteria, i would say moreso than a tiny square of blotter. Try LSD or a synthetic psychedelic and tell me how horrible it is (sarcasm, of course).
 
i think a couple hits of LSD or ~2g of mushrooms for a first trip is good.

If you have access to RC's then 20mg of 2c-b or 15mg of 4 aco dmt would be nice.
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
The difference between RCs and let's say... a cactus is that if I can botanically ID the cactus I know FOR SURE exactly what I'm getting.... that powder in your RC bag could be ANYTHING!
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Plants can easily be misidentified and RC's can be GCMS tested for identification.:p

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Plants can easily be misidentified
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if your an idiot.

and RC's can be GCMS tested for identification.
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O ya, I totally have a Gas chromatography-mass spectrometer in my garage, right next to that old washing machine.

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That's me there on the left.
 
My god you are annoying. Your so diluted for a psychedelic user. Why are things so black and white for you? I seem to recall you were a man of science yet your ignorance is unfathomable. If you would actually cite anything more than one example maybe you wouldn't come off as extremely biased and largely uneducated. In the history of rc's there been a handful of mislabeled rc batches and if you bothered to pay attention people who use these drugs safely know to take a very small dose of the rc before you take the actual recreational dose of the suspected drug. You need to stop making untrue statements with little to no references.
 
Idk after having done 2C-I, I wouldn't really recommend the 2C's as a good "intro psychedelic". Sure they are psychedelic, but they don't really offer the same experience as the classics. 2C's are more something you get into after you've familiarized yourself with the classics. You trip some acid, trip some mushrooms and then you start saying "well I wonder what other flavors there are to this kind of experience." I mean 2C-I was a good experience from the standpoint of fulfilling a curiosity (minus the lack of introspective depth and the several hours of stomach retching that ensued), but it certainly wasn't anything I'd care to do again.

Kind of like with ice cream. Typically you are going to experience your classics like vanilla or chocolate and then maybe you get ballsier and go for some crazy-ass amalgamation of nuts, berries, caramel and rat feces made in Guatemala. However, that crazy-ass Guatemalan, bastard-offspring of ice cream isn't the "meat and potatoes" kind of ice cream.
 
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