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My Little Experiment - Purifying "molly" (with GC/MS data)

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Metcalf

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Over the past few years I have had a reliable source of molly powder. Despite my utmost trust in the dealer, the experiences that I got from the powder were less than consistent. I seemed to need unusually high doses to get effects, however I chalked this up to having lost the magic somewhat. However, it dawned on me that it might be a nice idea to analyze some samples of drug and see what was actually in it. So...

A sample of 1mg of molly was dissolved in anhydrous ethanol and analyzed in a GC/MS. The results were as follows:

3.75% MDP-2-P
61.44% MDMA
33.47% Caffeine

(they don't add to 100% because I left out some smaller peaks)

Dammit. So I wasn't losing the magic....my 200mg doses of molly only contained 120mg of MDMA.

I remember the debates that had once raged on bluelight over whether purifying MDMA with acetone was worthwhile. I decided to give it a shot and settle it once and for all.

So, I did some chemical stuff and then I decanted the mixture and dried the MDMA under vacuum (air drying would have worked too, it just takes longer). I ran this sample through the GC/MS again and this is what I got:

96.74% MDMA
3.25% Caffeine

Taking into account the mass of caffeine removed, I lost about 100mg of MDMA. To me, it was totally worth it. I got nearly pure MDMA, I even got rid of the precursor and some other junk floating around in the original molly.

Obviously, not everyone can analyze their molly, but if you suspect you have some caffeine or precursor in there, this is worth giving a shot. Just make damn sure that your acetone is anhydrous and you won't lose much of the good stuff.
 
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Great information, but I imagine obtaining anhydrous acetone is beyond the ability of your average EDer. We've had discussions on this topic before in ED, and it always comes down to the fact that acetone isn't going to stay anhydrous for long, and you'll end up losing a great deal of your product if you try to do an acetone + water wash. :\

Nevertheless, interesting statistics, and a good reminder that molly is very rarely pure MDMA.
 
would there be any way to apply a procedure similar to this (in terms of washing with a solvent) to purify powdered pills, to remove some of the filler/binder to hopefully improve dosing, or somehow get back to powdered MDMA?
 
Interesting results however its important to remember that the results are unlikely to ever be replicated as each batch will possibly contain different ingredients or different percentages.

I had been warned that doing the wash will cause some mdma to be lost but I had no idea it would be as much as 100mg out of a possible 120mg. Thats a huge loss.

Needless to say its a complete and utter waste of time doing this simply to get rid of some caffeine.


LSDMDMA....................the truth is that other than removing a wee bit of caffeine, it doesnt achieve anything. It wont change the way the mdma works. Maybe if someone was alergic to caffeine then it would be worthwhile but otherwise its a complete waste of time money and mdma.
 
I don't think he was saying he lost 100mg out of 120mg, but rather 100mg out of a "batch", whatever that amount may be.
 
^yeah, that's how I read it too.

And if there's that much caffeine from a "trusted dealer's" dose, I can only imagine what some people are actually purchasing....
 
Pretty cool stuff! I also agree with the above poster - he didn't stipulate what his sample size that he purified was.

If he had, say, a gram and he lost 100mg out of that, in my mind it IS well worth it to remove any garbage lingering around including the caffeine.
 
Aha I see. Guess we will wait to get some further input.

So Brandon, in order to remove caffeine you would happily lose 10%?


What is caffeine gunna do to you? Do you not drink coffee?
 
Caffeine doesn't do much, yes, but maybe he wanted as pure as he could get, that way anything he weighed out was essential a pure weight of MDMA.
 
My batch size was about 1.5 grams. So my loss of 100mg was only about 7% of the starting weight, or about 10% of the MDMA.

Also, I didn't only get rid of caffeine, my original data showed unreacted precursor as well as about a half dozen other peaks of chemical junk. This was god knows what...byproducts, solvent, dirt from the chemist's dingy basement...who knows. All gone now. I don't know for sure what any of that can do to your body or your roll, but nothing I can imagine is good.

Another note.....anhydrous acetone is actually not that hard to create, I know it's been mentioned here a million times, but if you bake epsom salts in the oven you can use them to dry store-bought acetone to a very acceptable level. Just follow a guide and be meticulous. No shortcuts.

I wouldn't recommend the procedure on a half gram of molly, but on 2 grams or more it's worthwhile.
 
@Mr. Wobble: part of the fun for a drug nerd like me was also getting as pure a sample as possible. :D
 
U R MY HERO!

hey, could this also be done with pills?! or would the binders interfere?

I imagine much of the "molly" on the streets is just crushed up pills anyway, lol. (hence the reports of "pink molly" or "yellow molly".
 
avcpl said:
U R MY HERO!

hey, could this also be done with pills?! or would the binders interfere?

I imagine much of the "molly" on the streets is just crushed up pills anyway, lol. (hence the reports of "pink molly" or "yellow molly".
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I'm sorry this is simply not true. Pink and yellow molly have to due with the process the chemist used as well as the solvents involved, these colors are a tinge rather then dye that has been crushed up into molly. Molly that contained crushed binders would look like a mashed up pill rather then shiny crystal or shards.

OP - Awesome. At the small cost of 7% mdma by weight you achieved perfect molly that can now be used to measure exact doses of MDMA.
 
Tikhil said:
I'm sorry this is simply not true. Pink and yellow molly have to due with the process the chemist used as well as the solvents involved, these colors are a tinge rather then dye that has been crushed up into molly. Molly that contained crushed binders would look like a mashed up pill rather then shiny crystal or shards.
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I didn't say that's what molly is, I said that could be whatsome people are selling. A lot of people don't like to buy molly because it is so easy for someone to recut and resell. And a testing kit will show that there is some mdma but not if there is caffeine or how much. There are many many people that have bought molly and never seen a crystal or shard in what they purchased...
 
Regardless of how meticulous the process is, can this be completed with some basic chemistry knowledge + equipment? I see that you mentioned a vacuum dryer.

Either way, it's really cool that you actually went out of your way to GSMC your sample and attempt a purification, imo.
 
1 gram

40% of it was junk

60% of it was MDMA

600mg was MDMA

So 16.666% of the MDMA was lost......not 10%
 
what i was asking, was that could one apply this to essentially remove most binder to extract the MDMA from MDMA-containing pressed pills.
 
It's probably possible to do it with pressed pills, but would be more difficult because they're pressed?
 
Who cares about binder/caffeine? The only reason you would want to do this is remove the MDP2P and other precursors that are potentially harmful to you. Also, knowing the percentage buildup of your powder is enough, you don't need to clean it to figure out how much MDMA you are getting, just multiple total weight by MDMA percentage and bam, exact MDMA doses.

It's awesome that you managed to successfully do this, but to everyone else, this isn't going to change a thing for you.
 
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