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"Sneaking" MDMA Therapy?

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EgoTripper

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Having just moved to NYC, I'm in the process of finding a therapist to address some anxiety issues. I've used ecstasy in the past, and found that it greatly increases my ability to self-reflect and discuss things I might otherwise be uncomfortable revealing, even to a trained professional, with very minimal side effects. I am convinced that a therapy session on MDMA would be worth ten without: It would let me explore things without getting tripped up by all the second-guessing and over-thinking and so forth.

To that end, I am seriously considering the idea of taking a pill before one of my sessions. (Not the first, obviously, but certainly once we've gotten to know each other a bit.) Does anyone have any advice, suggestions or experience that might prove helpful with this?

I'm well aware of the consequences for therapists engaging in illegal activity, which is why I'm coming here for advice on how I might proceed... should I try to broach the subject with a hypothetical so he can cover his ass? Discuss MDMA therapy seriously with him? Or just take a pill and show up one week with grinding teeth and dilated pupils? :P

Thanks in advance for any advice!
 
I'm with you on the idea of it but in reality, no licensed medical professional is going to risk his or her ass with the liability of you coming into/leaving their office with a schedule 1 drug in your system.

That said, it wouldnt hurt to ask lol. I wouldn't count on it though.
 
You could ask, but it is doubtful he would do it..

Maybe just sneak a small dose in
 
I'm not even sure therapists back in the day would use more than 50mg for a good therapy session. But I could be wrong though. You could take a small dose and go in, he doesn't have to know. But he may get a tad suspicious
 
You'll need to wear some dark sunglasses in his office and possibly a bandana over your face to hide the gurning. Don't forget the glove sets.
 
I can't really think of a way to make this possible, sorry. The only thing I can come up with is find a therapist that is a bit dodgy who will give you therapy 'off the record'. E.g. a friend you know is a therapist to just come over.

Though I'd be interested to know what would happen if you went in there already on E. Would he recognise it? Is it a regular occurrence that patients walk in high on drugs? What would he be legally required to do if that was the case?
 
I'd just show up rolling. If he asks just deny, he can't prove anything, I really don't see a therapist ending a session because he 'believes' you might be high. Lol just google some disease/illness that gives you huge pupils. I'm no legal expert but I don't think he could get in trouble if he doesn't know your high, so if you deny it it would probably cover his ass anyways. I might be way off though lol
 
I'm a psychologist myself and an E user. I personally wouldn't risk losing my license (and subjecting myself to a civil case) by recommending using E in a therapy session.

That being said, if a client used E in a session they would have no fear of being turned in to the authorities or anything like that. In fact they wouldn't even have to fear being judged or lectured, but there would be a discussion about safety, possible consequences, etc.

Therapists help clients make decisions that the client feels works for them (without intentionally hurting themselves or others) and do not generally give advice.
 
^ Why would this be a joke? Seems like a good, legitimate thread tome :)

BeenBeaningDFW said:
I'm not even sure therapists back in the day would use more than 50mg for a good therapy session. But I could be wrong though. You could take a small dose and go in, he doesn't have to know. But he may get a tad suspicious
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Actually they used 120mg, often more. I believe I read 150mg was the dose Leo Zeff would use for a first time experience.

There's no point in taking a low dose, having a chemical in their body that's just nagging them and not crossing that threshold where one lets go of their ego.

I'm not sure about how one would go about this though, maybe after a few sessions just go in with your dose in you. How long does a session last? If a session is only 1 hour it's kind of tricky. You would have to take it an hour before going in to make sure you get the peak while you're in the session, but it means your come-up will be spent in public and a possibly uncomfortable situation.

Maybe the hypothetical thing is a good way to go about it.
 
20 bux says you end up spilling the beans somewhere during the session that you took mdma. Haha, 'sneaking' and 'mdma' just don't fit together.


I think if you didn't want it to be so obvious it would be wise to not take as large of a dose that you normally do...
 
MDMA makes you able to discuss your feelings to anyone, so why do you have to use a psychologist? It seems to me that the progress would be made no matter who your revelations were directed towards.
 
I don't think the therapist would necessarily say anything to you if you seemed a little high. I took a dose of LSD right before a therapy session once so that I would be peaking after the session ended. It ended up hitting me faster than I expected and I started to act quite a bit strange and my pupils where the size of hubcaps. No one in the office said anything to me about it, I just pretended it didn't happen.
 
I've wanted to try this myself. Having your therapist as a guide during your roll could be a life changing experience. I'd want more than an hour, I'd go for four.

I've talked to my therapist about my mdma and psych use, and she was very supportive without giving an outright blessing. My guess is that most therapists would love to be able to use tools like mdma, but don't even feel comfortable saying so.

Maybe someone, like our bluelight psychologist, can develop a framework whereby a patient can get this sort of treatment without the therapist having to be technically aware? Probably a stretch.
 
Thanks a lot for all your helpful advice!

As I suspected when I started this thread, I think I'm going to be a bit more confident deciding what to do after I get to know the therapist for a few sessions.

I'm optimistic that avcpl's right, that a psychologist wouldn't have a seriously negative reaction even if he did figure it out, as long as (A) he's not militantly anti-drug to begin with, and (B) he could plausibly deny any knowledge of it to cover his ass legally.

I expect I'll be able to feel out (A) after a few sessions. (The only other therapist I've seen lost his credibility with me on this very issue: He said I was being inconsistent doing E but avoiding heroin, explaining that E was much more dangerous... he even mentioned holes in the brain!) And as for (B), I think "just showing up" a few sessions after laying the groundwork with a hypothetical will ensure he won't feel compelled to kick me out for the sake of his career.

I'll let you know how it goes, though it'll probably be awhile from now (if I do it at all).

Thanks again!
 
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